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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-22, 14:34

All of them need to be punished for having knot headed teammates.

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Post by MattyFresh on 2017-04-22, 14:38

Loose I know where you are coming from but can we leave my tiny dosage of positivity alone as I acknowledge the good apples we do have.
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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-22, 14:42

MattyFresh wrote:Loose I know where you are coming from but can we leave my tiny dosage of positivity alone as I acknowledge the good apples we do have.

sorry man, I was trying to get my sarcasm in before the "realists" get here.   Whatever....sorry.  There were a bunch of these put out this morning.   We all know why - the program was trying to show that there's so much more than the bad.   I didn't post them here when they were tweeted because I'm about wore out from the bullshit.   Let the 3-4-5 jackasses have the place, they can meet here to circle jerk every couple months when bad shit happens.   During any successful times the board will be dead as hell.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-24, 11:07

From Coach Staten:


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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-24, 15:15

MSU running back Gerald Holmes views senior season as 'go-to year'

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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-27, 21:48

MSU cornerback Vayante Copeland in diversionary program for third time

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Post by DWags on 2017-04-27, 22:08

Way to go Mr. Copeland. This is exactly the shot in the arm the program needs.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-28, 16:51

A reminder for those calling for Narducci - Kids make stupid decisions no matter who the coach is.

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Post by tGreenWay on 2017-04-28, 17:21

Unpossible. That kind of stuff only happens at MSU. Obviously, Nardawg didn't wash his hands long enough to get the Spartan stink off of him.

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Post by Nordic on 2017-04-28, 17:34

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Post by Nordic on 2017-04-28, 17:36

DWags wrote:Way to go Mr. Copeland.  This is exactly the shot in the arm the program needs.  

Am I missing something? It doesn't say why he was "rejected".

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Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

Post by MattyFresh on 2017-04-28, 17:47




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Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

Post by LooseGoose on 2017-04-28, 18:00

Spartans regroup, recoup what was missing last season


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Post by MattyFresh on 2017-04-29, 08:37

I've always seen Murphy slurping Harblah so this is a refreshing take.

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Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

Post by Nordic on 2017-04-29, 09:53

They are saying the right stuff. They want to be like the 2013-15 teams, but they don't have the talent and will be young. So we'll see when the pads start to fly in the fall and they hit some adversity. 2017 is a rebuild year. It is not going to just come, even if they do the right things. How they respond will be key.  2018 is the year I pegged for us to be in a position to contend agaiin...both lines will be mature, most likely have a 2-year starter at QB and our young/talented WR core will be in full bloom. But with all the continued loses on the DL (especially DE)...I'm not sure we have the horses yet.
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Post by MattyFresh on 2017-04-29, 19:43

funny and true


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Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

Post by LooseGoose on 2017-05-01, 08:20

Couch: MSU's players know the problem; fixing it will take humility

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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2017-05-01, 10:34

This doesn't really belong here, but it's about football, so whatever.

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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2017-05-01, 10:53

LooseGoose wrote:Couch: MSU's players know the problem; fixing it will take humility

Larry Caper's got beef with this for some reason.


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Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

Post by LooseGoose on 2017-05-02, 10:13

Right between Indiana and Purdue.

Big Ten post-spring power rankings: Buckeyes loaded again

11. Michigan State: The Spartans ended a 3-9 season in search of some positive vibes and so far the offseason has not provided any. Mired in sexual-assault allegations and player departures, Michigan State’s spring left more questions than answers. While there is enough talent still in East Lansing to keep them out of the cellar, Mark Dantonio and company have a lot of rebuilding to do.

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Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 11:18

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Named names and posited a worse offense than has been previously rumored

Douche being douche. He apparently doesn't realize  that SRC (and other posters involved) could be sued if a name was posted and it was wrong. That person could make a pretty good civil case for being a victim of false light. There's precedent. Plus, it's just a shitty thing to do. That's why almost all credible news orgs won't name anyone until they're formally charged. They don't want to get sued.  

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools?  A certain player at UM and at FSU come to mind.


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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 2017-05-02, 11:19

Herbie Green wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Douche being douche. He apparently doesn't realize that SRC (and other posters involved) could be sued if a name was posted and it was wrong. That person could make a pretty good civil case for being a victim of false light. There's precedent. Plus, it's just a shitty thing to do. That's why almost all credible news orgs won't name anyone until they're formally charged. They don't want to get sued.

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools? Brandon Gibbons and Jameis Winston come to mind.

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Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 11:22

Crap you quoted me before I deleted the names. Moderators please delete
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 2017-05-02, 11:32

Herbie Green wrote:Crap you quoted me before I deleted the names. Moderators please delete

You seem persecuted. Care to talk about it?
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Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 11:44

I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.
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Post by MattyFresh on 2017-05-02, 11:47

Herbie Green wrote:I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.

Well some sort of charge or something had to happen, FSU paid the victim like a million dollars.
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Post by InTenSity on 2017-05-02, 11:49

Herbie Green wrote:I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.
There was a civil suit, he was named in teh civil suit. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 12:02

InTenSity wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.
There was a civil suit, he was named in teh civil suit. Why is that so hard to understand?

Feature story in the NY Times dated Aoril 14, 2014:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0

Accusor files civil suit April 15, 2016:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jameis-winston-s-accuser-files-civil-lawsuit-against-ex-florida-state-qb-041615

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Post by NigelUno on 2017-05-02, 12:44

Herbie Green wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Douche being douche. He apparently doesn't realize  that SRC (and other posters involved) could be sued if a name was posted and it was wrong. That person could make a pretty good civil case for being a victim of false light. There's precedent. Plus, it's just a shitty thing to do. That's why almost all credible news orgs won't name anyone until they're formally charged. They don't want to get sued.  

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools?  A certain player at UM and at FSU come to mind.

Gibbons was arrested and charged (it was therefore a public record).

Here's his mug shot:



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Post by Death Roe on 2017-05-02, 12:45

b3 carful, Nigel... herbe will cal you wrong

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Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 12:53

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools?  A certain player at UM and at FSU come to mind.

Gibbons was arrested and charged (it was therefore a public record).

Here's his mug shot:




Gibbons was never charged:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/12095273/brendan_gibbons_was_arrested_i.amp
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Post by InTenSity on 2017-05-02, 12:53

Ok, and not even all the other stuff. You are comparing 2 players, who were charged with crimes or taken to civil court, and continued playing at the school, in their position without any known suspensions, to a school that is waiting to find out if there are charges, and in one case kicking a kid off the team as soon as he was charged. If you don't see the difference in the 2, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 12:56

InTenSity wrote:Ok, and not even all the other stuff. You are comparing 2 players, who were charged with crimes or taken to civil court, and continued playing at the school, in their position without any known suspensions, to a school that is waiting to find out if there are charges, and in one case kicking a kid off the team as soon as he was charged. If you don't see the difference in the 2, I'm not sure what to tell you.

You are not even on the topic as you were in your last post where you were off by more than two years.
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Post by NigelUno on 2017-05-02, 12:58

Herbie Green wrote:
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Gibbons was arrested and charged (it was therefore a public record).

Here's his mug shot:




Gibbons was never charged:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/12095273/brendan_gibbons_was_arrested_i.amp

Herbie?

What does it say under his mug shot?



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Post by NigelUno on 2017-05-02, 13:00

Herbie Green wrote:
InTenSity wrote:Ok, and not even all the other stuff. You are comparing 2 players, who were charged with crimes or taken to civil court, and continued playing at the school, in their position without any known suspensions, to a school that is waiting to find out if there are charges, and in one case kicking a kid off the team as soon as he was charged. If you don't see the difference in the 2, I'm not sure what to tell you.

You are not even on the topic as you were in your last post where you were off by more than two years.

Do you understand the difference with Gibbons? Or does someone (still) need to explain it to you?
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Post by Herbie Green on 2017-05-02, 13:30

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

You are not even on the topic as you were in your last post where you were off by more than two years.

Do you understand the difference with Gibbons? Or does someone (still) need to explain it to you?

I would like you to explain it please in relation to the article I posted saying he was never charged. Admittedly, I am no legal expert so you might have to get into the difference between being investigated, arrested and charged and police reports vs prosecution etc. Then expound into the Winston case and the ESPN MSU lawsuit where MSU refused to release the names of players that were not charged with a crime. Thanks
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Post by tGreenWay on 2017-05-02, 13:44

It's great that Herbie is always so concerned about other schools here on an MSU board.

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Post by NigelUno on 2017-05-02, 13:50

Herbie Green wrote:
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Do you understand the difference with Gibbons? Or does someone (still) need to explain it to you?

I would like you to explain it please in relation to the article I posted saying he was never charged. Admittedly, I am no legal expert so you might have to get into the difference between being investigated, arrested and charged and police reports vs prosecution etc. Then expound into the Winston case and the ESPN MSU lawsuit where MSU refused to release the names of players that were not charged with a crime. Thanks

The difference with Gibbons (and other athletes who have not been arrested) is that Gibbons was arrested (and charges were listed on his mug shot...which you can clearly see by looking at it), and his arrest record was public.

Whether or not you posted an article saying he was never charged doesn't impact whether he was arrested (and charges were listed on his mug shot) and his arrest record was public.

So, let's just start with that basic fact (which has now been explained to you at least 3 times)...do you understand that difference (between someone who is arrested and someone who hasn't been arrested) and how that is public info and therefore can be reported in newspapers (for example)?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.
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