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Post by DWags on Fri 9 Jun - 21:27


Pretty cool pictures.

Larsen C began thinning around the time that the other sections broke off, losing 13 feet between 1998 and 2012. But deterioration of the ice shelf has dramatically accelerated.

When the dark of the Southern Hemisphere winter lifted in August, scientists were shocked to see that the rift in the ice had grown nearly 14 miles.

"The growth of this rift likely indicates that the portion of the ice shelf downstream of the rift is no longer holding back any grounded ice," said Joe MacGregor, IceBridge deputy project scientist and glaciologist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.

Long-term satellite observations show that Antarctic glaciers are rapidly retreating. In West Antarctica, they are losing 23 feet of elevation per year. As they slip away, they add up to 150 billion tons of water to the ocean, raising seas by about a tenth of an inch annually.

One of those glaciers, the Pine Island Glacier, calved off a 225 square mile iceberg in 2015. Ohio State University researchers found that the rift began at the base of the glacier in 2013 and worked its way upward.

"It's generally accepted that it's no longer a question of whether the West Antarctic Ice Sheet will melt, it's a question of when," said study leader Ian Howat, associate professor of Earth Sciences at Ohio State.Just heard this on the radio. Ice chunk the size of Delaware expected to break soon. Will threaten some coastlines.
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Post by GRR Spartan on Fri 9 Jun - 22:09

Nothing to worry about DWags.

If it's happening it's God's will and we all know photographic evidence isn't always correct.

Look at the inauguration crowd photos.
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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 12 Jun - 18:55

Weather. Of course if it were warmth we'd see the warmists pointing to it....+


Winter in June? Rare fresh powder falls at Lake Tahoe


There's fresh powder this morning in the Sierra Nevada at Lake Tahoe, and it's the middle of June. +

A low-pressure system from the Pacific moved into the mountains Sunday night, with light flurries starting around 4 p.m. By midnight, it was snowing heavily, with accumulations as low as 5,000 feet.

Brian O'Hara a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Reno, says snowfall reports have varied from a half-inch at lake level to four inches at 6,700 feet at Incline Village.

"We've only received a few reports at this point, but in general we're seeing three to five inches around the northern Sierra, and I think we could have received up to 12 inches at some higher elevations above 8,000 feet."

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Post by Rocinante on Mon 12 Jun - 19:16

You try to hard. But then again, not hard enough because if you were really capable, we wouldn't be able to see through your BS.

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 12 Jun - 19:39

Rocinante wrote:You try to hard. But then again, not hard enough because if you were really capable, we wouldn't be able to see through your BS.

I'm sorry that a foot of snow in June doesn't fit your beliefs.

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Post by Rocinante on Mon 12 Jun - 20:04

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Rocinante wrote:You try to hard. But then again, not hard enough because if you were really capable, we wouldn't be able to see through your BS.

I'm sorry that a foot of snow in June doesn't fit your beliefs.

Better.

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Mon 12 Jun - 21:43

LooseGoose wrote:Weather. Of course if it were warmth we'd see the warmists pointing to it....+


Winter in June? Rare fresh powder falls at Lake Tahoe


There's fresh powder this morning in the Sierra Nevada at Lake Tahoe, and it's the middle of June. +

A low-pressure system from the Pacific moved into the mountains Sunday night, with light flurries starting around 4 p.m. By midnight, it was snowing heavily, with accumulations as low as 5,000 feet.

Brian O'Hara a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Reno, says snowfall reports have varied from a half-inch at lake level to four inches at 6,700 feet at Incline Village.

"We've only received a few reports at this point, but in general we're seeing three to five inches around the northern Sierra, and I think we could have received up to 12 inches at some higher elevations above 8,000 feet."

F. Not even trying anymore.
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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 26 Jun - 7:34

DWags wrote:165 degrees. Wow.

Is that weather or climate?

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 3 Jul - 20:10

Global Warming: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives


It's summer 2017 and the Arctic was supposed to be ice-free, hurricanes were going to be more frequent and more deadly, and sea levels should be rising alarmingly. Al Gore swore in his 2006 science fiction movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," that within a decade there would be a "true planetary emergency."

"Unless we act boldly and quickly to deal with the underlying causes of global warming, our world will undergo a string of terrible catastrophes," said Gore in the movie's introduction.

The grand storyteller also predicted in 2011 that "there will be no more snows" on Mt. Kilimanjaro "within the decade."

Four years earlier, the Guardian of Britain reported that the United Nations was warning that we had "as little as eight years left to avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more." Three years and more than 1,000 days ago, then French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius — a socialist, of course — advised us that "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos."

We could go on. But we have neither the space nor time to rack up all the missed global warming predictions. So we will merely point out that instead of these disasters, we have the climate alarmist community admitting that there has indeed been a pause in the warming and that its models failed to predict it.

Yes, that's right. The alarmists are acknowledging in the abstract of a research paper that was published this month in Nature Geoscience that there have been "differences in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates."

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Post by DWags on Mon 3 Jul - 20:41

LooseGoose wrote:Global Warming: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives


It's summer 2017 and the Arctic was supposed to be ice-free, hurricanes were going to be more frequent and more deadly, and sea levels should be rising alarmingly. Al Gore swore in his 2006 science fiction movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," that within a decade there would be a "true planetary emergency."

"Unless we act boldly and quickly to deal with the underlying causes of global warming, our world will undergo a string of terrible catastrophes," said Gore in the movie's introduction.

The grand storyteller also predicted in 2011 that "there will be no more snows" on Mt. Kilimanjaro "within the decade."

Four years earlier, the Guardian of Britain reported that the United Nations was warning that we had "as little as eight years left to avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more." Three years and more than 1,000 days ago, then French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius — a socialist, of course — advised us that "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos."

We could go on. But we have neither the space nor time to rack up all the missed global warming predictions. So we will merely point out that instead of these disasters, we have the climate alarmist community admitting that there has indeed been a pause in the warming and that its models failed to predict it.

Yes, that's right. The alarmists are acknowledging in the abstract of a research paper that was published this month in Nature Geoscience that there have been "differences in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates."


Jesus. IBD is sick.

BD has a long history of questionable editorial decisions. During the legislative fight over the Affordable Care Act, for example, IBD published an editorial claiming that “[p]eople such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.” Hawking was born in Oxford, England — which is located in the U.K. He is now a professor at the University of Cambridge — which is also located in the U.K.This same publication invoked lynching in anti-sharpton editorial. Nice Goose
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Re: Al Gore and Trump talk about climate change

Post by LooseGoose on Thu 6 Jul - 11:51

Record warming.

Snow on the Fourth of July: Skiers bring out the shorts to the slopes

Thousands of excited snowboarders and skiers took advantage of the snow in Squaw Valley over the holiday weekend, as slopes remained open thanks to the huge snowfall this year.

The warm weather, paired with "corn snow" — the snow consistency that is the more desirable pellet-type favored for beginners — made for a great atmosphere as people took to the slopes.


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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 6 Jul - 11:58

LooseGoose wrote:Record warming.

Snow on the Fourth of July: Skiers bring out the shorts to the slopes

Thousands of excited snowboarders and skiers took advantage of the snow in Squaw Valley over the holiday weekend, as slopes remained open thanks to the huge snowfall this year.

The warm weather, paired with "corn snow" — the snow consistency that is the more desirable pellet-type favored for beginners — made for a great atmosphere as people took to the slopes.

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DWags wrote:165 degrees. Wow.

Is that weather or climate?

I like how you correctly call out dwags single data point post then like a week later do the same thing when it is convenient for you to do it. Nice goose. Nice. Smart.

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Re: Al Gore and Trump talk about climate change

Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 6 Jul - 12:09

Anyway goose what even is your argument here? I thought your whole message was "the earth is in fact warming but people don't have anything to do with it." Fine. But that post is very contradictory to that. Almost like you're saying "the earth isn't warming." So which is it goose?

Or is it C) liberals are always wrong so I have to take up this position. I have a sneaky suspicion about which one it is.

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Post by Rocinante on Thu 6 Jul - 12:39

Skeptics often claim that the science of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is not “settled”. But to the extent that this statement is true it is trivial, and to the extent that it is important it is false. No science is ever “settled”; science deals in probabilities, not certainties. When the probability of something approaches 100%, then we can regard the science, colloquially, as “settled”.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/settled-science-basic.htm

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Post by LooseGoose on Thu 6 Jul - 21:31

weather.

*IMPRESSIVE COLD IN GREENLAND AND NEAR RECORD ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW AND ICE*

Overview
While we were celebrating our Independence Day on July 4th, Summit Station in Greenland may have experienced the coldest July temperature ever recorded in the Northern Hemisphere at -33°C (-27.4°F). Much of Greenland has been colder-than-normal for the year so far and has had record or near record levels of accumulated snow and ice since the fall of last year. The first week of this month was especially brutal in Greenland resulting in the record low July temperature and it also contributed to an uptick in snow and ice extent - despite the fact that it is now well into their summer season.

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Post by Rocinante on Thu 6 Jul - 22:46

Cold air being sucked from the poles to lower latitudes at times is actually one of the common factors in AGW models. I'm sure you knew that. I'm sure you also know it's a blip in the overall trend.
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Post by LooseGoose on Fri 7 Jul - 9:16

Rocinante wrote:Cold air being sucked from the poles to lower latitudes at times is actually one of the common factors in AGW models. I'm sure you knew that. I'm sure you also know it's a blip in the overall trend.
Rocinante wrote:Cold air being sucked from the poles to lower latitudes at times is actually one of the common factors in AGW models. I'm sure you knew that. I'm sure you also know it's a blip in the overall trend.

So the warming will make it colder here?

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Post by DWags on Fri 7 Jul - 10:43

Rocinante wrote:Cold air being sucked from the poles to lower latitudes at times is actually one of the common factors in AGW models. I'm sure you knew that. I'm sure you also know it's a blip in the overall trend.

He is either stupid (Travis believes this) though he claims to be a bookworm, or he will ignore the fact that when we lose cold air at our poles it could have an enormous effect on coastlines and climates.

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Post by Rocinante on Fri 7 Jul - 11:36

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:Cold air being sucked from the poles to lower latitudes at times is actually one of the common factors in AGW models. I'm sure you knew that. I'm sure you also know it's a blip in the overall trend.
Rocinante wrote:Cold air being sucked from the poles to lower latitudes at times is actually one of the common factors in AGW models. I'm sure you knew that. I'm sure you also know it's a blip in the overall trend.

So the warming will make it colder here?

This is where your constant reference to the difference between weather and climate would come in handy, goose.

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Post by LooseGoose on Fri 7 Jul - 15:34

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

So the warming will make it colder here?

This is where your constant reference to the difference between weather and climate would come in handy, goose.

I'm fine, just enjoying the slow crumble of the religion.

EXCLUSIVE: Study Finds Temperature Adjustments Account For ‘Nearly All Of The Warming’ In Climate Data

A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

“Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published [global average surface temperature (GAST)] data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.

The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.

Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.

Basically, “cyclical pattern in the earlier reported data has very nearly been ‘adjusted’ out” of temperature readings taken from weather stations, buoys, ships and other sources.

In fact, almost all the surface temperature warming adjustments cool past temperatures and warm more current records, increasing the warming trend, according to the study’s authors.

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Post by Rocinante on Fri 7 Jul - 15:59

LooseGoose wrote:
I'm fine, just enjoying the slow crumble of the religion.

Except it's not a religion, and it's certainly not crumbling except in your batshit mind.

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Post by Rocinante on Fri 7 Jul - 16:11

I also love how the only references to the authors of that "study" which is actually just a different statistical analysis of cherry picked data points from other people's work, are due to their jobs as deniers.  They self publish their bullshit and farm it out to alt news sources and republicans.  It's laughably ludicrous.

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Post by LooseGoose on Fri 7 Jul - 22:30

Global Warming: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives

It's summer 2017 and the Arctic was supposed to be ice-free, hurricanes were going to be more frequent and more deadly, and sea levels should be rising alarmingly. Al Gore swore in his 2006 science fiction movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," that within a decade there would be a "true planetary emergency."

"Unless we act boldly and quickly to deal with the underlying causes of global warming, our world will undergo a string of terrible catastrophes," said Gore in the movie's introduction.

The grand storyteller also predicted in 2011 that "there will be no more snows" on Mt. Kilimanjaro "within the decade."

Four years earlier, the Guardian of Britain reported that the United Nations was warning that we had "as little as eight years left to avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more." Three years and more than 1,000 days ago, then French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius — a socialist, of course — advised us that "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos."

We could go on. But we have neither the space nor time to rack up all the missed global warming predictions. So we will merely point out that instead of these disasters, we have the climate alarmist community admitting that there has indeed been a pause in the warming and that its models failed to predict it.

Yes, that's right. The alarmists are acknowledging in the abstract of a research paper that was published this month in Nature Geoscience that there have been "differences in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates."

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Post by DWags on Fri 7 Jul - 22:59

LooseGoose wrote:Global Warming: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives

It's summer 2017 and the Arctic was supposed to be ice-free, hurricanes were going to be more frequent and more deadly, and sea levels should be rising alarmingly. Al Gore swore in his 2006 science fiction movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," that within a decade there would be a "true planetary emergency."

"Unless we act boldly and quickly to deal with the underlying causes of global warming, our world will undergo a string of terrible catastrophes," said Gore in the movie's introduction.

The grand storyteller also predicted in 2011 that "there will be no more snows" on Mt. Kilimanjaro "within the decade."

Four years earlier, the Guardian of Britain reported that the United Nations was warning that we had "as little as eight years left to avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more." Three years and more than 1,000 days ago, then French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius — a socialist, of course — advised us that "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos."

We could go on. But we have neither the space nor time to rack up all the missed global warming predictions. So we will merely point out that instead of these disasters, we have the climate alarmist community admitting that there has indeed been a pause in the warming and that its models failed to predict it.

Yes, that's right. The alarmists are acknowledging in the abstract of a research paper that was published this month in Nature Geoscience that there have been "differences in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates."

Jesus. We're in our 50's. It's like you telling me in 1955 don't worry about smoking no proof it causes cancer. You are not this stupid. Just once jump off your side and be logical.

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Post by DWags on Sat 8 Jul - 4:51

Maybe we should listen to the Inuit.

The earth has shifted.

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Post by LooseGoose on Sat 8 Jul - 9:31

DWags wrote:

Jesus. We're in our 50's. It's like you telling me in 1955 don't worry about smoking no proof it causes cancer. You are not this stupid. Just once jump off your side and be logical.

Sorry Wags, my logic tells me this is all a farce.

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Post by DWags on Sat 8 Jul - 10:31

LooseGoose wrote:
DWags wrote:

Jesus. We're in our 50's. It's like you telling me in 1955 don't worry about smoking no proof it causes cancer. You are not this stupid. Just once jump off your side and be logical.

Sorry Wags, my logic tells me this is all a farce.

I'm not as smart as you, so I'll stick with the word of 98% of all phd's who study this.

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Post by LooseGoose on Sat 8 Jul - 15:00

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Sorry Wags, my logic tells me this is all a farce.

I'm not as smart as you, so I'll stick with the word of 98% of all phd's who study this.  
DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Sorry Wags, my logic tells me this is all a farce.

I'm not as smart as you, so I'll stick with the word of 98% of all phd's who study this.  

The fairy tale is 97%, not all Phds, repeatedly debunked and old news.

Want more current news?   Try this:

A Growing Volume Of Evidence  Undercuts ‘Consensus’ Science

Already 285 Scientific Papers Published In 2017 Support A Skeptical Position On Climate Alarm

During the first 6 months of 2017, 285 scientific papers have already been published that cast doubt on the position that anthropogenic CO2 emissions function as the climate’s fundamental control knob…or that otherwise question the efficacy of climate models or the related “consensus” positions commonly endorsed by policymakers and mainstream media.

These 285 new papers support the position that there are significant limitations and uncertainties inherent in our understanding of climate and climate changes.  Climate science is not settled.

Modern temperatures, sea levels, and extreme weather events are neither unusual nor unprecedented.  Many regions of the Earth are cooler now than they have been for most of the last 10,000 years.

And current emissions-mitigation policies, especially related to the advocacy for renewables, are often costly, ineffective, and perhaps even harmful to the environment.  On the other hand, elevated CO2 and a warmer climate provide unheralded benefits to the biosphere (i.e., a greener planet and enhanced crop yields).

It should be noted that the rate of inclusion on this year’s “Skeptic Papers” list at the halfway point is slightly ahead of last year’s pace.  That’s because in 2016 there were 500 peer-reviewed scientific papers published in scholarly journals (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3) challenging “consensus” climate science.

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Post by LooseGoose on Sat 8 Jul - 15:03

97 Articles Refuting The “97% Consensus”

The 97% “consensus” study, Cook et al. (2013) has been thoroughly refuted in scholarly peer-reviewed journals, by major news media, public policy organizations and think tanks, highly credentialed scientists and extensively in the climate blogo-sphere. The shoddy methodology of Cook’s study has been shown to be so fatally flawed that well known climate scientists have publicly spoken out against it,


“The ‘97% consensus’ article is poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly executed. It obscures the complexities of the climate issue and it is a sign of the desperately poor level of public and policy debate in this country [UK] that the energy minister should cite it.”
Mike Hulme, Ph.D. Professor of Climate Change, University of East Anglia (UEA)



The following is a list of 97 articles that refute Cook’s (poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly executed) 97% “consensus” study. The fact that anyone continues to bring up such soundly debunked nonsense like Cook’s study is an embarrassment to science.

Summary: Cook et al. (2013) attempted to categorize 11,944 abstracts of papers (not entire papers) to their level of endorsement of AGW and found 7930 (66%) held no position on AGW. While only 65 papers (0.5%) explicitly endorsed and quantified AGW as +50% (Humans are the primary cause). Their methodology was so fatally flawed that they falsely classified skeptic papers as endorsing AGW, apparently believing to know more about the papers than their authors. Cook et al.’s author self-ratings simply confirmed the worthlessness of their methodology, as they were not representative of the sample since only 4% of the authors (1189 of 29,083) rated their own papers and of these 63% disagreed with their abstract ratings.

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Post by DWags on Sat 8 Jul - 16:34

LooseGoose wrote:97 Articles Refuting The “97% Consensus”

The 97% “consensus” study, Cook et al. (2013) has been thoroughly refuted in scholarly peer-reviewed journals, by major news media, public policy organizations and think tanks, highly credentialed scientists and extensively in the climate blogo-sphere. The shoddy methodology of Cook’s study has been shown to be so fatally flawed that well known climate scientists have publicly spoken out against it,


“The ‘97% consensus’ article is poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly executed. It obscures the complexities of the climate issue and it is a sign of the desperately poor level of public and policy debate in this country [UK] that the energy minister should cite it.”
Mike Hulme, Ph.D. Professor of Climate Change, University of East Anglia (UEA)



The following is a list of 97 articles that refute Cook’s (poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly executed) 97% “consensus” study. The fact that anyone continues to bring up such soundly debunked nonsense like Cook’s study is an embarrassment to science.

Summary: Cook et al. (2013) attempted to categorize 11,944 abstracts of papers (not entire papers) to their level of endorsement of AGW and found 7930 (66%) held no position on AGW. While only 65 papers (0.5%) explicitly endorsed and quantified AGW as +50% (Humans are the primary cause). Their methodology was so fatally flawed that they falsely classified skeptic papers as endorsing AGW, apparently believing to know more about the papers than their authors. Cook et al.’s author self-ratings simply confirmed the worthlessness of their methodology, as they were not representative of the sample since only 4% of the authors (1189 of 29,083) rated their own papers and of these 63% disagreed with their abstract ratings.



Climate change dispatch.com is funded by.... exon mobile.

I quit Travis. You're right about goose.

ExxonMobil and the climate science denial machinery that it has helped to build over the years are now under more scrutiny than ever before.

At its most recent AGM, the oil and gas giant faced a barrage of questions and resolutions over its position on climate change. Then there is the not insignificant matter of investigations by a group of attorneys general that allege the company lied about its knowledge of the risks of burning fossil fuels. ExxonMobil is retaliating.

The company has pleaded innocence, with CEO Rex Tillerson telling the company’s shareholders that his views on climate science were perfectly in line with the United Nations.

But the latest disclosures on donations by ExxonMobil, reported publicly here for the first time, show it continues to support organisations that claim greenhouse gases are not causing climate change, or that cuts to emissions are a waste of time and money.

Organizations including the American Enterprise Institute, the American Legislative Exchange Council and the National Black Chamber of Commerce — all organisations with a record of misinformation on climate science — all received grants in 2015 from ExxonMobil. The 2015 tally brings the total amount of known Exxon funding to denial groups north of $33 million since 1998.
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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 10 Jul - 10:37

Read it all and enjoy your new knowledge.

The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time -- Part XV

It's been several months since I've added a post to this series, since this one back on February 22. There's good reason for that. With the breakup of last year's big El Niño, global temperatures declined significantly. The latest global temperature anomaly from the UAH satellite temperature series is +0.21 deg C for June 2017 -- down a remarkable 0.65 deg C from the February 2016 global anomaly of +0.86 deg C. The Northern Hemisphere anomaly dropped even more, by 0.86 deg C, from +1.19 deg C to only +0.32 deg C. Those declines represent well more than half of the entire warming that had been present in the satellite record at the peak of the El Niño, and bring recent temperatures below those recorded during many months in the 1980s and 90s. It's no wonder that the breathless press releases from NASA and NOAA trumpeting "hottest [April, May, June, etc.] ever!" have at least temporarily ceased.

But the lack of "record warming" announcements coming out of the government has not stopped independent researchers from further examining the surface temperature records from NASA and NOAA (and also from a British group called Hadley CRU that gets its starting data from the same source) to try to quantify and understand the "adjustments" that continue to be made.

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Post by DWags on Mon 10 Jul - 11:08

LooseGoose wrote:Read it all and enjoy your new knowledge.

The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time -- Part XV

It's been several months since I've added a post to this series, since this one back on February 22. There's good reason for that. With the breakup of last year's big El Niño, global temperatures declined significantly. The latest global temperature anomaly from the UAH satellite temperature series is +0.21 deg C for June 2017 -- down a remarkable 0.65 deg C from the February 2016 global anomaly of +0.86 deg C. The Northern Hemisphere anomaly dropped even more, by 0.86 deg C, from +1.19 deg C to only +0.32 deg C. Those declines represent well more than half of the entire warming that had been present in the satellite record at the peak of the El Niño, and bring recent temperatures below those recorded during many months in the 1980s and 90s. It's no wonder that the breathless press releases from NASA and NOAA trumpeting "hottest [April, May, June, etc.] ever!" have at least temporarily ceased.

But the lack of "record warming" announcements coming out of the government has not stopped independent researchers from further examining the surface temperature records from NASA and NOAA (and also from a British group called Hadley CRU that gets its starting data from the same source) to try to quantify and understand the "adjustments" that continue to be made.

And for the less Gullible than Goose, here is a pretty damn good criticism of the Author of that piece of trash Goose is trying to pass as science. Its not, and Menton is not a scientist, he is a lawyer representing Oil, Gas, CO2 addicts. I repeat, not a scientist, a lawyer.

Several days ago I had the sorry experience of attending a debate on the science of global warming at the Cornell Club of New York City. The event did not feature any scientists with specific expertise in the science of climate change. Instead, the debate featured two lawyers representing the Federalist Society, a society of conservative attorneys with a strong pro-business slant, and its left-leaning counterpart, the American Constitution Society.

The resultant spectacle almost made me embarrassed to be a member of the legal profession. It also demonstrated the dangers inherent in jettisoning science’s careful, deliberative pursuit of objective fact in favor of courtroom-style, adversarial combat. This account should serve as an object lesson for any scientist who is invited to debate a global warming denier before an audience of novices.

The moderator of the event, Lois Bloom, a U.S. Magistrate Judge for the Eastern District of New York, began by introducing the two debaters. Francis J. Menton Jr., a partner in the litigation department of the law firm of Willkie, Farr, and Gallagher, argued on behalf of the Federalist Society. Representing the community of climate scientists was Michael B. Gerrard, who is a partner at the New York office of Arnold and Porter, a professor, the director of Columbia Law School’s Center for Climate Change Law, and the author or editor of many books on environmental law.

In terms of actual knowledge and experience relevant to climate science and environmental law, Menton was no match for Gerrard. By Menton’s admission, he has no background or experience remotely related climate science. Rather, he came to the subject as “a newcomer.” In a serious discussion of climate science among knowledgeable parties, this would have put Menton at a severe disadvantage or might have made an in-depth discussion almost useless. His handicap served as no impediment, however, at a courtroom-style contest where rhetorical flair can trump careful and dispassionate reasoning.

Indeed, this is the entire point of debates such as the one sponsored by the Federalist Society. Global warming deniers don’t stand a ghost of a chance when forced to defend their views before knowledgeable experts. With the science against them, their best hope is to change the terms of the debate by subjecting climate science to an adversarial trial before an unknowledgeable public with the frequent nastiness and misdirection that ensues. Menton himself openly advocated rejecting the dispassionate pursuit of objective fact among well-informed experts in favor of a courtroom circus show, with witty cross-examining attorneys acting as ringleaders. In Menton’s words, “laymen can cross examine the scientists, and they don’t have answers to a lot of questions.” The result is to exchange the motto “let the evidence speak for itself” for “may the glibbest man win.”



In other words, only idiots and fools will believe the shit that comes out of his (Menton's) mouth, but he himself knows there are plenty of them.

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 10 Jul - 11:17

I notice you attacked the messenger and not the facts. Usually that means you can't refute the facts.

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LooseGoose wrote:I notice you attacked the messenger and not the facts. Usually that means you can't refute the facts.

That's what the author has done. a non scientist. He's an attorney.

Get it?

No, forget that I asked that.

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 10 Jul - 11:43

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LooseGoose wrote:I notice you attacked the messenger and not the facts. Usually that means you can't refute the facts.

That's what the author has done. a non scientist. He's an attorney.

Get it?

No, forget that I asked that.

Then the data should be easy to tear apart. I shall wait.

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Post by NigelUno on Mon 10 Jul - 11:44

LooseGoose wrote:
DWags wrote:

That's what the author has done. a non scientist. He's an attorney.

Get it?

No, forget that I asked that.

Then the data should be easy to tear apart. I shall wait.

I'm going to ask one more time, as I've yet to see you answer.

Have you not in the past, on this board, said that you believe the earth is warming?
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Post by Rocinante on Mon 10 Jul - 12:10

Deniers are a small (if loud) portion of the population, Wags.  The problem of warming is much more serious than the problem of denalism.  The rest of the world is leading and the U.S. has decided (for now) to discontinue leadership (in all things) on the world stage.  If it concerns you, I strongly suggest you spend your energy educating your children, and soliciting your representatives, not arguing with people who keep their heads in the sand and for whatever reason trust the word of conspiracy theorists over people who have spent their entire lives studying climate and would love nothing more than to be wrong about this.  People who call it a global scientific community conspiracy don't understand at all how science works.  The data is checked, double, triple and quadruple checked.  At the end of the day, the interpretation of that data goes through peer review (which means it is checked often dozens of more times before publication).  Meanwhile, deniers have lost on the facts so they write arm-waving blog posts attacking the people that produce the data.  

Here's my wags-ism related to climate:  If you drive up to a bridge and there are 100 engineers standing there, and 98 of them say the bridge will collapse at any moment and you shouldn't drive on it, but the other two say that the 98 are all in cahoots to trick you so that they can make money designing a new bridge and everything's fine and you should drive across it, what do you do?

Okay now imagine it's 98 engineers and two short order cooks.  That's climate denialism.

Don't waste your time arguing with Goose.  Fight where you can make a difference.  with your wallet and with your representatives.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature.php

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 10 Jul - 13:38

It's too late to make a difference you fools.......try to enjoy the weeks we have left together.

The Uninhabitable Earth Famine, economic collapse, a sun that cooks us: What climate change could wreak — sooner than you think.


But no matter how well-informed you are, you are surely not alarmed enough. Over the past decades, our culture has gone apocalyptic with zombie movies and Mad Max dystopias, perhaps the collective result of displaced climate anxiety, and yet when it comes to contemplating real-world warming dangers, we suffer from an incredible failure of imagination. The reasons for that are many: the timid language of scientific probabilities, which the climatologist James Hansen once called “scientific reticence” in a paper chastising scientists for editing their own observations so conscientiously that they failed to communicate how dire the threat really was; the fact that the country is dominated by a group of technocrats who believe any problem can be solved and an opposing culture that doesn’t even see warming as a problem worth addressing; the way that climate denialism has made scientists even more cautious in offering speculative warnings; the simple speed of change and, also, its slowness, such that we are only seeing effects now of warming from decades past; our uncertainty about uncertainty, which the climate writer Naomi Oreskes in particular has suggested stops us from preparing as though anything worse than a median outcome were even possible; the way we assume climate change will hit hardest elsewhere, not everywhere; the smallness (two degrees) and largeness (1.8 trillion tons) and abstractness (400 parts per million) of the numbers; the discomfort of considering a problem that is very difficult, if not impossible, to solve; the altogether incomprehensible scale of that problem, which amounts to the prospect of our own annihilation; simple fear. But aversion arising from fear is a form of denial, too.

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Post by DWags on Mon 10 Jul - 19:37

Rocinante wrote:Deniers are a small (if loud) portion of the population, Wags.  The problem of warming is much more serious than the problem of denalism.  The rest of the world is leading and the U.S. has decided (for now) to discontinue leadership (in all things) on the world stage.  If it concerns you, I strongly suggest you spend your energy educating your children, and soliciting your representatives, not arguing with people who keep their heads in the sand and for whatever reason trust the word of conspiracy theorists over people who have spent their entire lives studying climate and would love nothing more than to be wrong about this.  People who call it a global scientific community conspiracy don't understand at all how science works.  The data is checked, double, triple and quadruple checked.  At the end of the day, the interpretation of that data goes through peer review (which means it is checked often dozens of more times before publication).  Meanwhile, deniers have lost on the facts so they write arm-waving blog posts attacking the people that produce the data.  

Here's my wags-ism related to climate:  If you drive up to a bridge and there are 100 engineers standing there, and 98 of them say the bridge will collapse at any moment and you shouldn't drive on it, but the other two say that the 98 are all in cahoots to trick you so that they can make money designing a new bridge and everything's fine and you should drive across it, what do you do?

Okay now imagine it's 98 engineers and two short order cooks.  That's climate denialism.

Don't waste your time arguing with Goose.  Fight where you can make a difference.  with your wallet and with your representatives.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature.php


Look, I love to do that more than anyone, but here is Senator Al Franken who is funny and makes a real good point.

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