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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by NigelUno on Mon 13 Mar - 9:58

LooseGoose wrote:
DWags wrote:From Gooses' article:

But earlier this month Foreign Policy reported that no one from the former secretary of state's campaign met with Mr Kislyak or any other Russian official. The magazine also reported that all the other candidates kept the embassy "at arm's length".

And supporters of Mrs Clinton would point out that the problem did not come from meeting the ambassador, but rather failing to disclose it.

I dont' get it: "yes, we met, we met with many ambassador's, it's the right thing to do when you are running for president and they're such an entity world wide."

If they ask what was talked about, I'd have no problem with them saying, "you know, that's none of your business, you'll be apprised of it when we deem it's safe and necessary to tell you about it, if you don't like it, run for president and win".

Link to an article where the Clinton campaign "disclosed" that they were meeting with the damned Russkies?

I could probably find a link where Flynn lied about meeting with the Russians, and then got fired...
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Mon 13 Mar - 11:40

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Link to an article where the Clinton campaign "disclosed" that they were meeting with the damned Russkies?

Link to an article where the Clinton campaign was under oath and lied about it?

So ya got nothin.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by DWags on Mon 13 Mar - 12:08

Link to an article where Trump was asked if he puts only mustard on a hot dog.

This is what Goose and the republicans do. It's tiring goose,. This is your guy in there. They're liars and I believe are very dangerous. I would be the same way with the scum bag clintons if they did what Trump is doing, I'd be more aggravated than usual with them But I'm not a dmocrat like you're a republican.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Mon 13 Mar - 12:11

DWags wrote:Link to an article where Trump was asked if he puts only mustard on a hot dog.

This is what Goose and the republicans do. It's tiring goose,. This is your guy in there. They're liars and I believe are very dangerous. I would be the same way with the scum bag clintons if they did what Trump is doing, I'd be more aggravated than usual with them But I'm not a dmocrat like you're a republican.

Agreed. You just happen to support every Dem and their positions by accident. Other than that you're a completely non partisan independent minded voter.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by DWags on Mon 13 Mar - 12:22

Not even close Goose. Not even close

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by GRR Spartan on Mon 13 Mar - 12:34

But Obama. Comrade Goosechev's auto response

Face it.
Goose is a Trump loving troll who seethed for 8 years while Obama was President.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Cameron on Mon 13 Mar - 18:20

Just so we're clear, Hillary being a corrupt and dishonest piece of shit in no way excuses or exonerates the Trump administration's shenanigans.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by AnomanderRake on Tue 14 Mar - 14:26

Just in case you were wondering why this guy was fired...

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/why-did-donald-trump-fire-the-most-famous-anti-corruption-prosecutor-in-america

TL:DR Version

He was investigating FOX news
He was banned from traveling to Russia in 2013
He detained Russian's Economic Minister on corruption charges in 2016
He was investigating the Russia Mafia heavily in 2016/17

Wouldn't want anybody digging around in the details of Russian corruption now would we?
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by GRR Spartan on Wed 15 Mar - 8:28

AnomanderRake wrote:Just in case you were wondering why this guy was fired...

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/why-did-donald-trump-fire-the-most-famous-anti-corruption-prosecutor-in-america

TL:DR Version

He was investigating FOX news
He was banned from traveling to Russia in 2013
He detained Russian's Economic Minister on corruption charges in 2016
He was investigating the Russia Mafia heavily in 2016/17

Wouldn't want anybody digging around in the details of Russian corruption now would we?

He wasn't a lackey for the DOJ when Holder was AG and Sessions doesn't want any independence.
Candidate and President elect Trump liked him.  Now not so much.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Wed 15 Mar - 9:15

He was the next NY version of Chuckles Schumer, don't get between him and a podium/camera.

Sort of like GRR's boy Schuette here in MI.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by The_Dude on Wed 15 Mar - 10:36

So we have had the past potus wiretap Trump and his team, every media outlet in the USA doing investigative work, and there is still nothing to see here?

Color me shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

(Trump sold a house to a Russian dude though...that's it, he's a fucking Ruskie spy).
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Wed 15 Mar - 10:38

The_Dude wrote:So we have had the past potus wiretap Trump and his team, every media outlet in the USA doing investigative work, and there is still nothing to see here?

Color me shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

(Trump sold a house to a Russian dude though...that's it, he's a fucking Ruskie spy).

That turned out to be a lie from the current POTUS, so...
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by The_Dude on Wed 15 Mar - 10:40

Cameron wrote:Just so we're clear, Hillary being a corrupt and dishonest piece of shit in no way excuses or exonerates the Trump administration's shenanigans.

The problem is, you have people going after Trump who were blind sheep to Obama and HRC, two of the most corrupt politicians in our country's history.

It just doesn't hold any water when THOSE people now cry wolf. It just doesn't.

Plus, nothing your side has accused Trump of is true. None of it.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by The_Dude on Wed 15 Mar - 10:41

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
The_Dude wrote:So we have had the past potus wiretap Trump and his team, every media outlet in the USA doing investigative work, and there is still nothing to see here?

Color me shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

(Trump sold a house to a Russian dude though...that's it, he's a fucking Ruskie spy).

That turned out to be a lie from the current POTUS, so...

Wait wait wait...so NOW the left cares about factual reporting and having evidence to back up claims?



I thought Trump didn't pay taxes?
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Wed 15 Mar - 10:44

The_Dude wrote:
Cameron wrote:Just so we're clear, Hillary being a corrupt and dishonest piece of shit in no way excuses or exonerates the Trump administration's shenanigans.

The problem is, you have people going after Trump who were blind sheep to Obama and HRC, two of the most corrupt politicians in our country's history.

It just doesn't hold any water when THOSE people now cry wolf.  It just doesn't.

Plus, nothing your side has accused Trump of is true.  None of it.

You are incorrect 117 times and counting champ.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/24/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Wed 15 Mar - 10:45

The_Dude wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

That turned out to be a lie from the current POTUS, so...

Wait wait wait...so NOW the left cares about factual reporting and having evidence to back up claims?



I thought Trump didn't pay taxes?

I am not "the left". Just a guy calling out your bullshit. Carry on.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by DWags on Wed 15 Mar - 10:45

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
The_Dude wrote:So we have had the past potus wiretap Trump and his team, every media outlet in the USA doing investigative work, and there is still nothing to see here?

Color me shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

(Trump sold a house to a Russian dude though...that's it, he's a fucking Ruskie spy).

That turned out to be a lie from the current POTUS, so...

Swear to god, it's like he's the bag boy at Kroger. He's now blaming Obama and the media for Trump's declaration of Obama wiretapping Trump. It just doesn't get any better. If there were hidden camera's in an office and it was recording Trump saying, "This is what we're going to do, we're going to say Obama tapped me...", they'd say it proves Obama tapped Trump.

It's almost unbelievable. No matter how many times you catch Kellyanne switching the subject or using "Alternative Facts", they Just... don't.... care.....


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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Thu 16 Mar - 10:43

Severe disappointment in store for GRR, Wags, Steve and many others here.

Clinton Ally Says Smoke, But No Fire: No Russia-Trump Collusion

Former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell, who endorsed Hillary Clinton and called Donald Trump a dupe of Russia, cast doubt Wednesday night on allegations that members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.

Morell, who was in line to become CIA director if Clinton won, said he had seen no evidence that Trump associates cooperated with Russians. He also raised questions about the dossier written by a former British intelligence officer, which alleged a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all," Morell said at an event sponsored by the Cipher Brief, an intelligence web site.

"There's no little campfire, there's no little candle, there's no spark. And there's a lot of people looking for it."

Morell pointed out that former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said on Meet the Press on March 5 that he had seen no evidence of a conspiracy when he left office January 20.

"That's a pretty strong statement by General Clapper," Morell said.


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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by DWags on Thu 16 Mar - 11:51

I'll wait till the investigation Goose, they took years to investigate Hilliary. I'll wait. And Goose, it won't be a disappointment, it will be a relief. This administration is stepping on it's dick daily. I hope the keystone cops who use alternative facts, who claim the greatest crowd ever at an inauguration, who tell us Obama tapped them, who say they will get this health care thing right, who claim 3 million illegals gave Hills the opular vote, who had to have a NSA resign for lying, who needed a VP to vote an education secretary in who wants to eliminate the DOE, who told seniors not to worry about health, at least gets one thing off their plate.

It's day 55. This is fucked up.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Rocinante on Thu 16 Mar - 13:42

With this much smoke, if there's no THERE, there, appoint an independent council with subpoena power. If they've done nothing wrong, it should be over pretty quickly. Anything else looks like cover up at this point. Nunes is a partisan jackass.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Sun 19 Mar - 9:14

WHEN AGITPROP RUNS ITS COURSE: Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion.

The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies — just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected — that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence. And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed.

We’ve reached the point at which Glenn Greenwald has become a voice of sanity. But all that agitprop has borne its desired fruit: Poll: Majority of young adults view Trump as ‘illegitimate’ president.

Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by GRR Spartan on Sun 19 Mar - 12:58

Sort of like the GOP saying there's no evidence of Obama ordered wire taps Comrade?


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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Tue 21 Mar - 9:20

So we have the FBI reiterating that Russia did in fact interfere with the election, something Trump denies. Also you have the FBI stating that there is no proof of Trump's wiretapping claim.

At this point, what exactly should we believe when Trump says anything? His strategy is to confuse everyone with all of these lies. The smarter people in the room are seeing this, right? Right?
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by MiamiSpartan on Tue 21 Mar - 13:08

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:So we have the FBI reiterating that Russia did in fact interfere with the election, something Trump denies. Also you have the FBI stating that there is no proof of Trump's wiretapping claim.

At this point, what exactly should we believe when Trump says anything? His strategy is to confuse everyone with all of these lies. The smarter people in the room are seeing this, right? Right?
Here's the thing though.  The Russians have interfered in every one of our elections for 70 years or more, and we've interfered in every one of theirs (to whatever extent they've had elections), as well as most countries' elections.  It's naive to think otherwise.  In all cases there have been varying levels of success.  So the hysteria over their involvement, as well as Trump's denials that they didn't, are equally silly and equally hypocritical.

Now if Trump's campaign worked in concert with them in any way, that's a huge fucking deal.  But countries try to meddle in each others' politics all the damn time.  Kruschev told Kennedy to his face that he was responsible for getting him elected.  Over the years, we've spent millions, maybe even billions, to very directly influence elections in Europe, Latin America, Africa, and Asia, as have the Russians.  Not to say that they should be allowed to, or encouraged to by any means, but the onus is on us to prevent it.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Robert J Sakimano on Tue 21 Mar - 13:16

the sexual predator could clear all of this up by releasing his tax returns..

of course, that would also lead to:

a) him proving he's nowhere near as rich as he likes to think
b) that he's likely a pedophile
c) he doesn't donate to charity like he says he does
d) provide details of his 12-13 bankruptcies
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Cameron on Tue 21 Mar - 16:01

How would his tax returns reveal him to be a pedophile?
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by InTenSity on Tue 21 Mar - 16:30

Cameron wrote:How would his tax returns reveal him to be a pedophile?
Probably bought a pizza company.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Robert J Sakimano on Wed 22 Mar - 7:49

Cameron wrote:How would his tax returns reveal him to be a pedophile?
child sex rings he's funneled money through and to.
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Post by LooseGoose on Wed 22 Mar - 12:00


Доброе утро, мои друзья.

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Post by Cameron on Wed 22 Mar - 12:13

LooseGoose wrote:
Доброе утро, мои друзья.

It's noon, Goose.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Cameron on Wed 22 Mar - 12:14

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Cameron wrote:How would his tax returns reveal him to be a pedophile?
child sex rings he's funneled money through and to.

You think he put them on his tax returns?

Seems a little far fetched to me, Bob.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Robert J Sakimano on Wed 22 Mar - 12:23

Cameron wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:child sex rings he's funneled money through and to.

You think he put them on his tax returns?

Seems a little far fetched to me, Bob.
I'm sure some accounting forensics-types could isolate his activities.

of course... it would be "fake news".. and the deplorables/christians would believe him when he said it... they're big fans of monosyllabic words.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Thu 30 Mar - 11:01

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39442901

The Senate is starting to ramp up their own investigation.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Thu 30 Mar - 11:31

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39442901

The Senate is starting to ramp up their own investigation.

Obama blocked getting it out there.....

FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY TRIED TO REVEAL RUSSIAN TAMPERING MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION

Updated | FBI Director James Comey attempted to go public as early as the summer of 2016 with information on Russia’s campaign to influence the U.S. presidential election, but Obama administration officials blocked him from doing so, two sources with knowledge of the matter tell Newsweek.

Well before the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence accused the Russian government of tampering with the U.S. election in an October 7 statement, Comey pitched the idea of writing an op-ed about the Russian campaign during a meeting in the White House Situation Room in June or July.

“He had a draft of it or an outline. He held up a piece of paper in a meeting and said, ‘I want to go forward. What do people think of this?’” says a source with knowledge of the meeting, which included Secretary of State John Kerry, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

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Post by LooseGoose on Thu 30 Mar - 11:33

Then pushed it after Trump won.....



THE HILL: How Obama’s White House weaponized media against Trump. “Regardless of how the government collected on Flynn, the leak was a felony and a violation of his civil rights. But it was also a severe breach of the public trust. When I worked as an NSC staffer in the White House, 2005-2007, I read dozens of NSA surveillance reports every day. On the basis of my familiarity with this system, I strongly suspect that someone in the Obama White House blew a hole in the thin wall that prevents the government from using information collected from surveillance to destroy the lives of the citizens whose privacy it is pledged to protect. The leaking of Flynn’s name was part of what can only be described as a White House campaign to hype the Russian threat and, at the same time, to depict Trump as Vladimir Putin’s Manchurian candidate.”

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Robert J Sakimano on Thu 30 Mar - 11:33

LooseGoose wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39442901

The Senate is starting to ramp up their own investigation.

Obama blocked getting it out there.....

FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY TRIED TO REVEAL RUSSIAN TAMPERING MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION

Updated | FBI Director James Comey attempted to go public as early as the summer of 2016 with information on Russia’s campaign to influence the U.S. presidential election, but Obama administration officials blocked him from doing so, two sources with knowledge of the matter tell Newsweek.

Well before the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence accused the Russian government of tampering with the U.S. election in an October 7 statement, Comey pitched the idea of writing an op-ed about the Russian campaign during a meeting in the White House Situation Room in June or July.

“He had a draft of it or an outline. He held up a piece of paper in a meeting and said, ‘I want to go forward. What do people think of this?’” says a source with knowledge of the meeting, which included Secretary of State John Kerry, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and National Security Adviser Susan Rice.
"Obama"....
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by LooseGoose on Thu 30 Mar - 11:37

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Obama blocked getting it out there.....

FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY TRIED TO REVEAL RUSSIAN TAMPERING MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION

"Obama".....

lol, as much as you wish it weren't so he was President last July.

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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by Robert J Sakimano on Thu 30 Mar - 11:38

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:"Obama"......    

lol, as much as you wish it weren't so he was President last July.
definitely the greatest President of my lifetime..  
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by NigelUno on Thu 30 Mar - 11:40

LooseGoose wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39442901

The Senate is starting to ramp up their own investigation.

Obama blocked getting it out there.....

FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY TRIED TO REVEAL RUSSIAN TAMPERING MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION

Updated | FBI Director James Comey attempted to go public as early as the summer of 2016 with information on Russia’s campaign to influence the U.S. presidential election, but Obama administration officials blocked him from doing so, two sources with knowledge of the matter tell Newsweek.

Well before the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence accused the Russian government of tampering with the U.S. election in an October 7 statement, Comey pitched the idea of writing an op-ed about the Russian campaign during a meeting in the White House Situation Room in June or July.

“He had a draft of it or an outline. He held up a piece of paper in a meeting and said, ‘I want to go forward. What do people think of this?’” says a source with knowledge of the meeting, which included Secretary of State John Kerry, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

So, you now believe (or admit) the Russians were tampering with the election?
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

Post by GRR Spartan on Thu 30 Mar - 11:47

Anyone else think its more than coincedence that Ivanka Trump has gained a title as advisor, security clearance and an office in the West Wing all after the President's discussion with Nunes and the trip to golf while telling the media it was a working weekend.

I think she's there to keep her father in check, control tweeting and make sure all those who come into contact with him are as loyal as herself.
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Re: The Russians and the 2016 Election PT III

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