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Post by Rocinante on 2018-01-03, 13:27

Thank God Trump did that auto industry bailout when the liberals were screaming for him not to do it.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-04, 10:43

Rocinante wrote:Thank God Trump did that auto industry bailout when the liberals were screaming for him not to do it.

Yes, because without the bailout no one would be making cars in the US.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-04, 10:45


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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2018-01-04, 11:12

Thanks for the mainstream media links, Goose!!
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2018-01-04, 13:59

Barack Obama is truly a great American. Maybe the greatest of all Americans.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 2018-01-04, 14:02

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Barack Obama is truly a great American. Maybe the greatest of all Americans.

And it looks like you could have a beer with him.
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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-04, 17:49

Just today Trump was talking about bonuses Comcast is giving
out because of tax reform.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/comcast-fired-500-despite-claiming-tax-cut-would-create-thousands-of-jobs/?amp=1

Comcast reportedly fired about 500 salespeople shortly before Christmas, despite claiming that the company would create thousands of new jobs in exchange for a big tax cut.

Comcast apparently tried to keep the firings secret while it lobbied for the tax cut that was eventually passed into law by the Republican-controlled Congress and signed by President Trump in late December. The Philadelphia Inquirer revealed the Comcast firings this week in an article based on information from an anonymous former employee, Comcast documents, and other sources in the company.You

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Post by tGreenWay on 2018-01-04, 18:00


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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by Dendrobates on 2018-01-04, 18:13


You realize that these are Obama’s economic polices that we are still running under because Trump hasn’t hanged any of them. The tax plan hasn’t taken affect yet and most will see the chances in Feb.
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Post by Rocinante on 2018-01-04, 18:39

It’s the positivity surrounding a pro business president that’s driving this economy Dendro. NOTHING ELSE!! SO SHUT UP!!

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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2018-01-04, 19:12

The sexual predator is so effective, he created jobs for all of those people he saved from dying in plane crashes last year.
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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-05, 16:06

Dendrobates wrote:

You realize that these are Obama’s economic polices that we are still running under because Trump hasn’t hanged any of them. The tax plan hasn’t taken affect yet and most will see the chances in Feb.

Well now - isn't that strange.   One Day Trump is fucking over Americans left and right, killing the internet, wrecking the environment.....and then when things go well.....Trump hasn't changed a thing.

Someone might say that's having things both ways.

Of course back in 1992 Clinton claimed the economy was going to hell when actually the recovery had already started under Bush II.  (If you don't believe me go look it up) But EVERY Dem has referred to it as the Clinton boom and recovery since.   Strange how credit shifts like that.

So which is it?   Did Trump ruin everything or leave everything alone from the great Obama era?  

If Obama was doing so well why has the economic growth rate went up 50+% under Trump?


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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-05, 16:07


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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-05, 16:12

I could link you to 2-3 articles explaining the difference but really don't feel like arguing it in here for days.

I think he's made a difference.

Cutting regulations makes a difference.
Cutting taxes makes a difference and to say that's had no effect is to ignore all the bonuses/raises handed out.
Letting the pipelines and drilling and mining move ahead all have small effects but things add up.

Sorry if you think I'm ranting but I started and/or ran multiple business in my lifetime and I know how much difference it makes when people feel they're being helped and not hindered.

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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by kingstonlake on 2018-01-05, 16:20

Let's revisit the good 30 days blacks had in December, when February hits.

What have you got to lose!

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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-05, 16:48

Today from the Republicans


Republicans in January of 2016

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Post by Rocinante on 2018-01-05, 16:50

That's pretty damning.

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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-06, 10:33

kingstonlake wrote:Let's revisit the good 30 days blacks had in December, when February hits.

What have you got to lose!

Well actually the Black unemployment rate has been dropping all year but why bother looking at a 45+ year low when it's easier to scoff at it.

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Including 8 in Michigan.....now let the chorus of "shit jobs" begin.

By all measures, a construction boom is shaping up for 2018

The construction industry added 30,000 jobs last month, according to the Labor Department.

That brings the sector's 2017 gains to 210,000 positions, a 35 percent increase over the previous year.

Construction spending is also soaring, up to a record $1.257 trillion in November, according to the Commerce Department.

Optimism among construction contractors is also at a record high.

Obviously not all because of Trump but certainly the policies seem to be helping.


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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-06, 10:36

Turtleneck wrote:Today from the Republicans

Republicans in January of 2016

So I guess that proves that it's not happening. Solid.


And what a revelation that the two parties attack each other. Want to bet you could find completely opposite press releases from the Dems?

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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-06, 10:41

Fox might want to fix this graphic




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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-06, 10:46

AT&T plans to lay off and fire more than a thousand workers starting early next year, according to local reports.

Across the Midwest, an estimated 600 workers were notified they were being laid off by the company on December 16, a week before AT&T announced it was doling out $1,000 bonuses to 200,000 of its employees in celebration of the Republican Party’s tax overhaul.

AT&T hands out $1000 bonuses...then decides to fire or layoff 600 people.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-06, 10:57

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AT&T plans to lay off and fire more than a thousand workers starting early next year, according to local reports.

Across the Midwest, an estimated 600 workers were notified they were being laid off by the company on December 16, a week before AT&T announced it was doling out $1,000 bonuses to 200,000 of its employees in celebration of the Republican Party’s tax overhaul.

AT&T hands out $1000 bonuses...then decides to fire or layoff 600 people.

So the bonuses are because of Obama and the firings because of Trump?

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-06, 10:59

And of course regulations were being added at a record rate until this year.....but that has nothing to do with the economy.

Regulations at 'Lowest Count Since Records Began Being Kept in the Mid-1970s'

An infinitely better reported, yet ultimately even more unintentionally amusing effort came in Monday's New York Times, which contained plenty of now-hold-on-there sentences like "The evidence is weak that regulation actually reduces economic activity or that deregulation stimulates it," and "There is little historical evidence tying regulation levels to growth," and "Regulatory proponents say, in fact, that those rules can have positive economic effects in the long run, saving companies from violations that could cost them both financially and reputationally."

Why is that funny? Because much of the rest of the article is composed of quotes and data from actual business humans about why they're investing so much more money during the Trump presidency. Stuff like, "That [regulatory] burden has slowed down economic growth, it's slowed down investment in infrastructure [in the past]. And what we've seen over the last year is a big deregulatory environment." The preponderance of feel-good evidence is such that the Times headlined the piece "The Trump Effect," and began it with these two almost startlingly upbeat paragraphs:

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-06, 11:03

AT&T plans to lay off and fire more than a thousand workers starting early next year, according to local reports.

Across the Midwest, an estimated 600 workers were notified they were being laid off by the company on December 16, a week before AT&T announced it was doling out $1,000 bonuses to 200,000 of its employees in celebration of the Republican Party’s tax overhaul.

Thanks for providing a link....

The rest of the story....it seems TN would like AT & T to keep or expand their landline division.   Obviously he's not a shareholder.

The telecommunications giant told the Chicago Tribune in a statement that the most of the affected workers are from its landline and other legacy service sectors, but the company did not say how many workers total would still be employed in 2018.

Color me Shocked, I say shocked that a phone company is laying off landline people. Should Wells Fargo still be paying their stage coach drivers?

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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-06, 11:10

LooseGoose wrote:Auto sales, believed to have dropped in 2017, remain strong

DETROIT (AP) — The U.S. auto industry’s historic growth streak may be ending, but demand for new cars and trucks remains healthy as the new year begins.

U.S. sales of new vehicles are expected to fall 2 percent to 17.1 million in 2017, according to Kelley Blue Book. That would be the first year-over-year decline since 2009, ending an unprecedented seven-year expansion.

General Motors, Toyota and Ford all reported a 1 percent declines in sales last year compared to 2016. Fiat Chrysler’s sales fell 8 percent. Honda’s sales were flat, while Nissan’s rose 2 percent. Volkswagen brand sales rose 5 percent.

While sales are likely to fall short of 2016′s record of 17.55 million, 2017 is still expected to be the fourth-best sales year in U.S. history.


American car buyers are borrowing like never before—and missing plenty of payments, too

https://qz.com/913093/car-loans-in-the-us-have-hit-record-levels-and-delinquencies-are-rising-fast-too/

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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-06, 11:15

LooseGoose wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

AT&T hands out $1000 bonuses...then decides to fire or layoff 600 people.

So the bonuses are because of Obama and the firings because of Trump?


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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-06, 11:28

LooseGoose wrote:
AT&T plans to lay off and fire more than a thousand workers starting early next year, according to local reports.

Across the Midwest, an estimated 600 workers were notified they were being laid off by the company on December 16, a week before AT&T announced it was doling out $1,000 bonuses to 200,000 of its employees in celebration of the Republican Party’s tax overhaul.

Thanks for providing a link....

The rest of the story....it seems TN would like AT & T to keep or expand their landline division.   Obviously he's not a shareholder.

The telecommunications giant told the Chicago Tribune in a statement that the most of the affected workers are from its landline and other legacy service sectors, but the company did not say how many workers total would still be employed in 2018.

Color me Shocked, I say shocked that a phone company is laying off landline people. Should Wells Fargo still be paying their stage coach drivers?

That is the most curious part, Loose. With all of the opportunities for growth - less regulation, including the repeal of net neutrality - these people cannot be rolled into or retrained in other service areas? The link says that "AT&T has recently laid off 215 high-skilled technician jobs in nine Southern states."

http://www.newsweek.com/christmas-att-layoffs-midwest-bonuses-trump-758391


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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-07, 05:06

Turtleneck wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Thanks for providing a link....

The rest of the story....it seems TN would like AT & T to keep or expand their landline division.   Obviously he's not a shareholder.



Color me Shocked, I say shocked that a phone company is laying off landline people. Should Wells Fargo still be paying their stage coach drivers?

That is the most curious part, Loose. With all of the opportunities for growth - less regulation, including the repeal of net neutrality - these people cannot be rolled into or retrained in other service areas? The link says that "AT&T has recently laid off 215 high-skilled technician jobs in nine Southern states."

http://www.newsweek.com/christmas-att-layoffs-midwest-bonuses-trump-758391


Good to see you providing a link this time. It doesn't say what they were highly skilled in. Could they have been more DirectTV installers? IF so, then blame all the millenial cord cutters for putting those poor folks out of work. In an economy with nearly zero real unemployment how long would you guess a "highly skilled" worker will be unemployed? I know actually thinking about it pokes holes in Newsweek's anti Trump/Republican narrative but I believed you were all about rational thought?

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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-07, 09:52

Are you really making a big deal about a link? You do the same thing quite often. Try being an asshole about something else.

As for rational thought, it is nearly impossible to engage in such conversation with you. You believe anything the pro-Trump blogosphere feeds you, and will justify anything argument so long as it fits your pro-Trump narrative. You're a complete waste of time. Welcome to my ignore list.

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Post by Dendrobates on 2018-01-07, 12:42

LooseGoose wrote:
Dendrobates wrote:

You realize that these are Obama’s economic polices that we are still running under because Trump hasn’t hanged any of them. The tax plan hasn’t taken affect yet and most will see the chances in Feb.

Well now - isn't that strange.   One Day Trump is fucking over Americans left and right, killing the internet, wrecking the environment.....and then when things go well.....Trump hasn't changed a thing.

Someone might say that's having things both ways.

Of course back in 1992 Clinton claimed the economy was going to hell when actually the recovery had already started under Bush II.  (If you don't believe me go look it up) But EVERY Dem has referred to it as the Clinton boom and recovery since.   Strange how credit shifts like that.

So which is it?   Did Trump ruin everything or leave everything alone from the great Obama era?  

If Obama was doing so well why has the economic growth rate went up 50+% under Trump?

He is ruining the environment/Internet by changing those policies. It will destroy things will cause irreversible damage if it’s left that way. We won’t be seeing those affects today. Yes, it’s a huge deal he’s fucking that shit over by those changes even though you can’t see it right this very minute. We already know this through experience .
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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by DWags on 2018-01-07, 13:31

Dendrobates wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Well now - isn't that strange.   One Day Trump is fucking over Americans left and right, killing the internet, wrecking the environment.....and then when things go well.....Trump hasn't changed a thing.

Someone might say that's having things both ways.

Of course back in 1992 Clinton claimed the economy was going to hell when actually the recovery had already started under Bush II.  (If you don't believe me go look it up) But EVERY Dem has referred to it as the Clinton boom and recovery since.   Strange how credit shifts like that.

So which is it?   Did Trump ruin everything or leave everything alone from the great Obama era?  

If Obama was doing so well why has the economic growth rate went up 50+% under Trump?

He is ruining the environment/Internet by changing those policies. It will destroy things will cause irreversible damage if it’s left that way. We won’t be seeing those affects today. Yes, it’s a huge deal he’s fucking that shit over by those changes even though you can’t see it right this very minute. We already know this through experience .

Goose, you know it’s not like fast food, it will take a while to get going from environment (you don’t like the cuts to Michigan, but we won’t see effects for a while yet) to internet. It takes a while.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-10, 08:09

I remember those old days when "Drill Baby Drill" was mocked as Palin airheadedness, any smarty pants knew we couldn't drill our way to low oil prices.....

US oil output to hit record over 11M bpd by end of 2019, EIA

NEW YORK, Jan 9 (Reuters) - U.S. crude oil production is expected to climb to more than 10 million barrels per day (bpd) early in 2018, reaching that milestone for the first time since 1970, and to continue to surge into 2019 to a record high, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said Tuesday.

Production was expected to hit 10.04 million bpd during the first quarter of this year, the agency said in a monthly report. The 10 million-bpd milestone previously had not been expected to be reached until the fourth quarter.

The EIA revised its production growth forecast for 2018 sharply higher to 970,000 bpd from 780,000 bpd in its previous outlook.

U.S. output will be at an all-time high in 2019, surpassing 11 million bpd by the end of that year, a new high for national output, the EIA said in the report. The average production in 2019 will rise 580,000 bpd to 10.85 million bpd, the agency said in its first outlook for next year.

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 2018-01-10, 08:22

LooseGoose wrote:I remember those old days when "Drill Baby Drill" was mocked as Palin airheadedness, any smarty pants knew we couldn't drill our way to low oil prices.....

US oil output to hit record over 11M bpd by end of 2019, EIA

NEW YORK, Jan 9 (Reuters) - U.S. crude oil production is expected to climb to more than 10 million barrels per day (bpd) early in 2018, reaching that milestone for the first time since 1970, and to continue to surge into 2019 to a record high, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said Tuesday.

Production was expected to hit 10.04 million bpd during the first quarter of this year, the agency said in a monthly report. The 10 million-bpd milestone previously had not been expected to be reached until the fourth quarter.

The EIA revised its production growth forecast for 2018 sharply higher to 970,000 bpd from 780,000 bpd in its previous outlook.

U.S. output will be at an all-time high in 2019, surpassing 11 million bpd by the end of that year, a new high for national output, the EIA said in the report. The average production in 2019 will rise 580,000 bpd to 10.85 million bpd, the agency said in its first outlook for next year.

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Post by DWags on 2018-01-10, 09:28

LooseGoose wrote:I remember those old days when "Drill Baby Drill" was mocked as Palin airheadedness, any smarty pants knew we couldn't drill our way to low oil prices.....

US oil output to hit record over 11M bpd by end of 2019, EIA

NEW YORK, Jan 9 (Reuters) - U.S. crude oil production is expected to climb to more than 10 million barrels per day (bpd) early in 2018, reaching that milestone for the first time since 1970, and to continue to surge into 2019 to a record high, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said Tuesday.

Production was expected to hit 10.04 million bpd during the first quarter of this year, the agency said in a monthly report. The 10 million-bpd milestone previously had not been expected to be reached until the fourth quarter.

The EIA revised its production growth forecast for 2018 sharply higher to 970,000 bpd from 780,000 bpd in its previous outlook.

U.S. output will be at an all-time high in 2019, surpassing 11 million bpd by the end of that year, a new high for national output, the EIA said in the report. The average production in 2019 will rise 580,000 bpd to 10.85 million bpd, the agency said in its first outlook for next year.

I certainly hope we keep drilling.  Especially off the coast of Florida. 

Drill baby Drill has been replaced by "Drain the swamp".  Right?  It has, hasn't it?

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Post by Turtleneck on 2018-01-10, 09:35

LooseGoose wrote:any smarty pants knew we couldn't drill our way to low oil prices.....


Oil prices are at a three year high right now. The last time crude oil was this expensive was at the end of 2014, so suggesting that increased production in the U.S. is dropping prices globally is factually wrong at this point.


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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by Rocinante on 2018-01-10, 11:09

The saudis got what they wanted out of holding the price of oil hostage. They are now holding interest in American oil reserves. They are also under-reporting their crude stockpiles which is really what's driving prices up. This is not supply and demand. It's market manipulation. And for all the populist and anti-globalist rhetoric of the Trump "movement". This is the fate of American companies being controlled by global cabals of the ultra rich. So meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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Re: Bump when these numbers move

Post by LooseGoose on 2018-01-10, 11:37

Turtleneck wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:any smarty pants knew we couldn't drill our way to low oil prices.....


Oil prices are at a three year high right now. The last time crude oil was this expensive was at the end of 2014, so suggesting that increased production in the U.S. is dropping prices globally is factually wrong at this point.


Not surprised that you completely ignore where prices would be without the increased US supply. Basic Economics are not your strong point.

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