UM stand on immigration status

by BleacherSwill 2017-01-29, 09:01

Kudos to the wolvies for this stand. "The university maintains a strong commitment to the privacy of student records for all students, consistent with state and federal laws," Schlissel said in the statement. "We do not provide information on immigration status to anyone except when required by law. The university offers in-state tuition to undocumented students who meet certain conditions." I hope MSU has as much concern for the 1st amendment as those libs in AA.

by **DWags** 2017-01-29, 09:20

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2017-01-29, 10:25

Undocumented = illegal.

Trump took an oath to abide by the Constitution and defend the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic.

He'll let Obama's illegitimate executive order granting temporary resident status expire and then if they follow the law those so-called Dreamers will not be eligible for resident status at either the University or in the nation.

Better pack your bags Pedro

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-01-29, 11:05

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Undocumented = illegal.

Trump took an oath to abide by the Constitution and defend the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic.

He'll let Obama's illegitimate executive order granting temporary resident status expire and then if they follow the law those so-called Dreamers will not be eligible for resident status at either the University or in the nation.

Better pack your bags Pedro

I love how people like you love to invoke the Constitution on matters like this while this order flies in the face of everything this country was founded for. Very hypocritical.

How many people from the banned countries have directly attacked us by the way?

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-29, 11:26

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Undocumented = illegal.

Trump took an oath to abide by the Constitution and defend the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic.

He'll let Obama's illegitimate executive order granting temporary resident status expire and then if they follow the law those so-called Dreamers will not be eligible for resident status at either the University or in the nation.

Better pack your bags Pedro

Some people seem to think Trump may have violated the Constitution. What's your take on that?

by **DWags** 2017-01-29, 11:32

How many wives would Trump have if not for immigration? 1 of the 3? has it only been three, or was it three he's had children with? More than three? I lose track of the Christian and chiefs status.

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-29, 11:38

DWags wrote:How many wives would Trump have if not for immigration? 1 of the 3? has it only been three, or was it three he's had children with? More than three? I lose track of the Christian and chiefs status.

I just think it's great that he hires people with green cards to work at Mar-A-Lago.

And bought Chinese steel.

And had his ties Made in Mexico.

I mean he obviously understands this is a global economy when it impacts his bottom line.

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2017-01-29, 11:57

NigelUno wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:Undocumented = illegal.

Trump took an oath to abide by the Constitution and defend the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic.

He'll let Obama's illegitimate executive order granting temporary resident status expire and then if they follow the law those so-called Dreamers will not be eligible for resident status at either the University or in the nation.

Better pack your bags Pedro

Some people seem to think Trump may have violated the Constitution. What's your take on that?

What part of the Constitution did he supposedly violate?

by **DWags** 2017-01-29, 12:00

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Some people seem to think Trump may have violated the Constitution. What's your take on that?

What part of the Constitution did he supposedly violate?

I think he's walking back the Green Card stuff now. But I do think those with Green Cards were detained.

by **GRR Spartan** 2017-01-29, 12:09

Kellyann Conway maintains that inconveniencing 1% of people is a small price to pay for security.

I guess if you aren't categorized in the 1% or don't have key employees or family in that 1% you shouldn't see it as a problem.

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-29, 12:20

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Some people seem to think Trump may have violated the Constitution. What's your take on that?

What part of the Constitution did he supposedly violate?

We’ll See You in Court: Why Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees Violates the Establishment Clause

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2017-01-29, 12:54

NigelUno wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

What part of the Constitution did he supposedly violate?

We’ll See You in Court: Why Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees Violates the Establishment Clause

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Not sure how banning refugees or immigrants from certain countries violates that. Additionally religious carveouts are well established in immigration law.

Additionally I don't remember people throwing a shitfit when a Democrat President banned Iranians from entering the USA or when another Democrat president threw hundreds of thousands of japanese into camps. Or when another democrat president presided initiated a genocide against the indigenous inhabitants who happened to be occupying lands we coveted.

by **I.B. Fine** 2017-01-29, 13:10

This seems like a pretty good explanation to me, green card holders should not be involved. Exceptions should be made freely for those we know and have helped us in those countries.
Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees — Separating Fact from Hysteria

The Syrian Civil War touched off in 2011. Here are the Syrian-refugee admissions to the U.S. until Obama decided to admit more than 13,000 in 2016:
Fiscal Year 2011: 29
Fiscal Year 2012: 31
Fiscal Year 2013: 36
Fiscal Year 2014: 105
Fiscal Year 2015: 1,682

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2017-01-29, 13:24

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

We’ll See You in Court: Why Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees Violates the Establishment Clause

Additionally I don't remember people throwing a shitfit when a Democrat President banned Iranians from entering the USA or when another Democrat president threw hundreds of thousands of japanese into camps. Or when another democrat president presided initiated a genocide against the indigenous inhabitants who happened to be occupying lands we coveted.

UM stand on immigration status 502811600

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-29, 14:07

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

Additionally I don't remember people throwing a shitfit when a Democrat President banned Iranians from entering the USA or when another Democrat president threw hundreds of thousands of japanese into camps. Or when another democrat president presided initiated a genocide against the indigenous inhabitants who happened to be occupying lands we coveted.

Hey! Look over there! We stole land from the Native Americans! Where is the outrage!

by **DWags** 2017-01-29, 14:17

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

Additionally I don't remember people throwing a shitfit when a Democrat President banned Iranians from entering the USA or when another Democrat president threw hundreds of thousands of japanese into camps. Or when another democrat president presided initiated a genocide against the indigenous inhabitants who happened to be occupying lands we coveted.

Obamas fault

by **Floyd Robertson** 2017-01-29, 14:26

MSU will not release the immigration status of students, officials say

"Not supplying students’ immigration status is just standard operating procedure for us at MSU," MSU spokesman Jason Cody said in an email. "Due to our own policies and already existing federal law, we would not provide any students’ private information, immigration status or otherwise, unless compelled by law."

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-01-29, 14:28

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

We’ll See You in Court: Why Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees Violates the Establishment Clause

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Not sure how banning refugees or immigrants from certain countries violates that. Additionally religious carveouts are well established in immigration law.

Additionally I don't remember people throwing a shitfit when a Democrat President banned Iranians from entering the USA or when another Democrat president threw hundreds of thousands of japanese into camps. Or when another democrat president presided initiated a genocide against the indigenous inhabitants who happened to be occupying lands we coveted.

Goose level post.

by **Blanch32** 2017-01-29, 20:07

Floyd Robertson wrote:MSU will not release the immigration status of students, officials say

"Not supplying students’ immigration status is just standard operating procedure for us at MSU," MSU spokesman Jason Cody said in an email. "Due to our own policies and already existing federal law, we would not provide any students’ private information, immigration status or otherwise, unless compelled by law."

....and folks wonder why msu jacks up tuition every year....

by CheesySpartan 2017-01-29, 21:57

With the knowledge I have to date I do not support this executive order. I didn't vote for him but I want Trump to succeed in office because it would change Washington and most likely much of American politics by opening the door to non-establishment types into politics. Unfortunately at this point it doesn't look good.

by Guest 2017-01-29, 23:56

From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

by **DWags** 2017-01-30, 00:38

LooseGoose wrote:From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

What's your point? Did the people who were upset with Trump doing this give him an ovation?

Next you'll say it's the exact same thing Carter and Obama did. And pretend it is.

Jesus.

by **xsanguine** 2017-01-30, 00:38

Values no longer mean anything. Everyone's compass is set to "when it suits me."

We have big-government conservatives and pro-choice vegans.

It's just a big ole mess.

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-30, 06:51

LooseGoose wrote:From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

"Bill Clinton wants to build a wall"

Can you tell me where in the video that was said?

Was this wall also going to be financed by the American consumer by implementing a 20% tariff on Mexican imports?

Or was Mexico just going to flat out pay for it?

Do you support the 20% tariff plan? What would be the economic effects?

Do you have an honest answer to any of the questions? Or are you still blindly supporting Trump?

by **DWags** 2017-01-30, 06:56

NigelUno wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

"Bill Clinton wants to build a wall"

Can you tell me where in the video that was said?

Was this wall also going to be financed by the American consumer by implementing a 20% tariff on Mexican imports?

Or was Mexico just going to flat out pay for it?

Do you support the 20% tariff plan? What would be the economic effects?

Do you have an honest answer to any of the questions? Or are you still blindly supporting Trump?

Obama did it too UM stand on immigration status 502811600

Going forward, you can tell how much they know they fucked up by how many times they use Obamas name in their release defending it. The more they use it, the more they think they fucked up.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-01-30, 07:55

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

"Bill Clinton wants to build a wall"

Can you tell me where in the video that was said?

Was this wall also going to be financed by the American consumer by implementing a 20% tariff on Mexican imports?

Or was Mexico just going to flat out pay for it?

Do you support the 20% tariff plan? What would be the economic effects?

Do you have an honest answer to any of the questions? Or are you still blindly supporting Trump?

Obama did it too

Going forward, you can tell how much they know they fucked up by how many times they use Obamas name in their release defending it. The more they use it, the more they think they fucked up.

the republican default message is "well... Obama did it too"!!!

conveniently forgetting that they spent the last 8+ years whining and peeing in their diapers about how horrible of a President Barack Obama was.. suddenly he's the standard by which their president is measured.

UM stand on immigration status 502811600

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-30, 07:57

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
DWags wrote:

Obama did it too

Going forward, you can tell how much they know they fucked up by how many times they use Obamas name in their release defending it. The more they use it, the more they think they fucked up.
the republican default message is "well... Obama did it too"!!!

conveniently forgetting that they spent the last 8+ years whining and peeing in their diapers about how horrible of a President Barack Obama was.. suddenly he's the standard by which their president is measured.

I think this is just the beginning of some Republicans backing away from "their" President.

by Guest 2017-01-30, 10:29

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

What's your point? Did the people who were upset with Trump doing this give him an ovation?

Next you'll say it's the exact same thing Carter and Obama did. And pretend it is.

Jesus.

My point is that the politicians and the press get outraged when it suits their purposes. If Bill Clinton rails against immigrants the Dems give him a standing ovation. If Trump signs an EO slowing visitors/immigrants it's the end of the world as we know it.

So yell at me all you want in the midst of your lemming like following of their selective outrage and Chuckie Schumer's hot tears.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2017-01-30, 10:36

LooseGoose wrote:From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

by Guest 2017-01-30, 10:49

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:From back when Dems opposed illegal immigrants and supported a wall....

A standing ovation for President Clinton.

No "tribe" commentary? Now the Reps would be giving Clinton the standing ovation while the Dems would be wanting to impeach him. Amazing, huh?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-01-30, 10:51

so is "but.. but.. Clinton" the new "but.. but.. Obama" for Trump supporters?

UM stand on immigration status 502811600

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-30, 11:00

LooseGoose wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

No "tribe" commentary? Now the Reps would be giving Clinton the standing ovation while the Dems would be wanting to impeach him. Amazing, huh?

Can you direct me to the part in the video where Clinton says he wants to build a wall?

I think I missed it.

I'll wait.

Thanks in advance.

by Guest 2017-01-30, 13:47

NigelUno wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

No "tribe" commentary? Now the Reps would be giving Clinton the standing ovation while the Dems would be wanting to impeach him. Amazing, huh?

Can you direct me to the part in the video where Clinton says he wants to build a wall?

I think I missed it.

I'll wait.

Thanks in advance.

I've been studiously avoiding answering you lately but I will this time. "Secure our borders" is the quote. Unless you feel that means put up and open a big gate then walls tend to be a part of securing a border. Check around the world and you'll find that to be true.

by **DWags** 2017-01-30, 14:16

All kinds of ways to secure a boarder and interpret that. I think case, I'd definitely interpret in the way you have. It makes the asinine thing trump did seem less idiotic.

by **NigelUno** 2017-01-30, 22:14

LooseGoose wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Can you direct me to the part in the video where Clinton says he wants to build a wall?

I think I missed it.

I'll wait.

Thanks in advance.

I've been studiously avoiding answering you lately but I will this time. "Secure our borders" is the quote. Unless you feel that means put up and open a big gate then walls tend to be a part of securing a border. Check around the world and you'll find that to be true.

So...he didn't say he wanted to build a wall. Thanks.

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