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Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-09-24, 20:35

Where was Trump's respect for the flag and country while he was instructing staff to move and shred documents requested by the DOJ when Trump real estate was under investigation for violating the fair housing provisions of the Civil Rights Act?

Trump later negotiated a sealed agreement without an admittance of guilt.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2017-09-24, 21:36

Let's play a game called "when did the president say this?" Obviously this was not today. 

Hint- it was while he was president though. 


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Post by InTenSity on 2017-09-24, 23:28

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Let's play a game called "when did the president say this?" Obviously this was not today. 

Hint- it was while he was president though. 

Was that a kkk rally?

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2017-09-24, 23:37

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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Let's play a game called "when did the president say this?" Obviously this was not today. 

Hint- it was while he was president though. 

Was that a kkk rally?
No, though that's a good guess. That was on day two of his presidency, after the women's march.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 09:10

I was shocked to hear a racist white supremacist demonize black folks..

on the upside, at least it makes jesus happy.
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Post by NigelUno on 2017-09-25, 09:18

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So proud of NASCAR and its supporters and fans. They won't put up with disrespecting our Country or our Flag - they said it loud and clear!
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NigelUno wrote:Donald J. Trump‏
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So proud of NASCAR and its supporters and fans. They won't put up with disrespecting our Country or our Flag - they said it loud and clear!
4:25 AM - 25 Sep 2017
I am shocked to find out that the sexual predator - a white supremacist and proud racist - is a NASCAR fan.

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:
NigelUno wrote:Donald J. Trump‏
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So proud of NASCAR and its supporters and fans. They won't put up with disrespecting our Country or our Flag - they said it loud and clear!
4:25 AM - 25 Sep 2017
I am shocked to find out that the sexual predator - a white supremacist and proud racist - is a NASCAR fan.


This might be a silly question, but...

Isn't flying the Confederate Flag kind of disrespecting the US Flag?
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I am shocked to find out that the sexual predator - a white supremacist and proud racist - is a NASCAR fan.


This might be a silly question, but...

Isn't flying the Confederate Flag kind of disrespecting the US Flag?
not if you're a deplorable.

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Post by msugolfguy on 2017-09-25, 09:59

NigelUno wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I am shocked to find out that the sexual predator - a white supremacist and proud racist - is a NASCAR fan.


This might be a silly question, but...

Isn't flying the Confederate Flag kind of disrespecting the US Flag?

I've always thought it was a social norm you should always fly the American flag the highest. I'm not sure about flying old dixie. I can see how it would be disrespectful based on history; however other people claim it's hertiage so there is that.
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Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-09-25, 10:42

Neckar. Shocking
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 10:53

msugolfguy wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

This might be a silly question, but...

Isn't flying the Confederate Flag kind of disrespecting the US Flag?

I've always thought it was a social norm you should always fly the American flag the highest. I'm not sure about flying old dixie. I can see how it would be disrespectful based on history; however other people claim it's hertiage so there is that.
I think colored people should know their place.

but that's just me.
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Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-09-25, 11:49

Just as troubling the Neckcar tweet was posted at 4:23 am
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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-09-25, 11:49

NFL Memes‏ @NFL_Memes
Back when the president didn't mind if you took a knee...


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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 11:54

LooseGoose wrote:NFL Memes‏ @NFL_Memes
Back when the president didn't mind if you took a knee...

Goose is back..!!

what up, Goose??

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Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-09-25, 11:54

Looks like we have a vote for pussy grabbers
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2017-09-25, 11:57

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Actually he kind of has a point to a degree. I mean I would count anything before and after the game a part of the job. I am sure though if they did something outside of the game they would get the old "focus on football/working out. People thst dont agree would just move the goalposts.

Then I of course remember that the owners get insane tax breaks and subsidies so guess what, the players can do whatever the fuck they want. I'll consider those fields "public land".

I don't really agree with this only because it's a weird ritual that has zero to do with the game or their employment. I will plead ignorant because I've never read a contract but do players' contracts state that the National Anthem ceremony is part of their employment?

Again, to compare it to religion if it somehow became commonplace and honored acknowledged tradition to have the teams meet at midfield and say an Our Father prayer do the Muslim/Jewish players have to recite the prayer?
It is very much a tradition at sporting events in this country, but at the same time is unique to sports in this country. They don't do national anthems before soccer games overseas, unless the national team is playing. But not before games in the domestic leagues. Obviously, it's not only a US thing, as Canada does it, too. Of course, they're basically USA-lite. Do they play it before CFL games? Can't say I ever watch that, and the NBA, NHL, and MLB are really US leagues, so they'd have to go along regardless.

I could probably google this, but don't really feel like it, so does anyone know the history of the national anthem being played before US sporting events? I remember it in the 70s and 80s, so I'm guessing it goes back quite a ways. Pretty sure they show it being done in A League Of Their Own, and maybe Eight Men Out, though that doesn't necessarily mean it's historical fact.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 12:00

MiamiSpartan wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I don't really agree with this only because it's a weird ritual that has zero to do with the game or their employment. I will plead ignorant because I've never read a contract but do players' contracts state that the National Anthem ceremony is part of their employment?

Again, to compare it to religion if it somehow became commonplace and honored acknowledged tradition to have the teams meet at midfield and say an Our Father prayer do the Muslim/Jewish players have to recite the prayer?
It is very much a tradition at sporting events in this country, but at the same time is unique to sports in this country. They don't do national anthems before soccer games overseas, unless the national team is playing. But not before games in the domestic leagues. Obviously, it's not only a US thing, as Canada does it, too. Of course, they're basically USA-lite. Do they play it before CFL games? Can't say I ever watch that, and the NBA, NHL, and MLB are really US leagues, so they'd have to go along regardless.

I could probably google this, but don't really feel like it, so does anyone know the history of the national anthem being played before US sporting events? I remember it in the 70s and 80s, so I'm guessing it goes back quite a ways. Pretty sure they show it being done in A League Of Their Own, and maybe Eight Men Out, though that doesn't necessarily mean it's historical fact.
I just know that I support the troops and will never forget 9/11.

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2017-09-25, 12:21

MiamiSpartan wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I don't really agree with this only because it's a weird ritual that has zero to do with the game or their employment. I will plead ignorant because I've never read a contract but do players' contracts state that the National Anthem ceremony is part of their employment?

Again, to compare it to religion if it somehow became commonplace and honored acknowledged tradition to have the teams meet at midfield and say an Our Father prayer do the Muslim/Jewish players have to recite the prayer?
It is very much a tradition at sporting events in this country, but at the same time is unique to sports in this country.  They don't do national anthems before soccer games overseas, unless the national team is playing.  But not before games in the domestic leagues.  Obviously, it's not only a US thing, as Canada does it, too.  Of course, they're basically USA-lite.  Do they play it before CFL games?  Can't say I ever watch that, and the NBA, NHL, and MLB are really US leagues, so they'd have to go along regardless.

I could probably google this, but don't really feel like it, so does anyone know the history of the national anthem being played before US sporting events?  I remember it in the 70s and 80s, so I'm guessing it goes back quite a ways.  Pretty sure they show it being done in A League Of Their Own, and maybe Eight Men Out, though that doesn't necessarily mean it's historical fact.
In one of these threads around here somewhere someone linked an article that says that it started with baseball during World War I then basically no one wanted to be the one to stop doing it after.

But I agree, I think it's a weird thing we do and if we'd just stop I'd be fine with that.

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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
It is very much a tradition at sporting events in this country, but at the same time is unique to sports in this country.  They don't do national anthems before soccer games overseas, unless the national team is playing.  But not before games in the domestic leagues.  Obviously, it's not only a US thing, as Canada does it, too.  Of course, they're basically USA-lite.  Do they play it before CFL games?  Can't say I ever watch that, and the NBA, NHL, and MLB are really US leagues, so they'd have to go along regardless.

I could probably google this, but don't really feel like it, so does anyone know the history of the national anthem being played before US sporting events?  I remember it in the 70s and 80s, so I'm guessing it goes back quite a ways.  Pretty sure they show it being done in A League Of Their Own, and maybe Eight Men Out, though that doesn't necessarily mean it's historical fact.
In one of these threads around here somewhere someone linked an article that says that it started with baseball during World War I then basically no one wanted to be the one to stop doing it after.

But I agree, I think it's a weird thing we do and if we'd just stop I'd be fine with that.
but how would we honor the troops and 9/11?

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2017-09-25, 12:38

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
In one of these threads around here somewhere someone linked an article that says that it started with baseball during World War I then basically no one wanted to be the one to stop doing it after.

But I agree, I think it's a weird thing we do and if we'd just stop I'd be fine with that.
but how would we honor the troops and 9/11?

Honestly bob they still have like 1000 times in every sporting event where they trot out a troop or something that everyone cheers for (note- DoD pays the leagues for this privilege. It's literally an advertisement for recruiting purposes.) we'll have plenty of opportunities through out the day.

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Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-09-25, 12:48

The NFL didn't support the troops enough to donate ad time and waive appearance charges.

Every league could make this go away by allowing the teams to leave the locker room for the field, court, ice after the flag is presented and anthem is played.
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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
but how would we honor the troops and 9/11?

Honestly bob they still have like 1000 times in every sporting event where they trot out a troop or something that everyone cheers for (note- DoD pays the leagues for this privilege. It's literally an advertisement for recruiting purposes.) we'll have plenty of opportunities through out the day.


I know - it's just funny watching the deplorables insist that their love of America is somehow rooted in how much they respect the flag and the National Anthem when anyone paying attention knows that their opposition to peaceful protest at sporting events is rooted in their innate racism and contempt for America.




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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
It is very much a tradition at sporting events in this country, but at the same time is unique to sports in this country.  They don't do national anthems before soccer games overseas, unless the national team is playing.  But not before games in the domestic leagues.  Obviously, it's not only a US thing, as Canada does it, too.  Of course, they're basically USA-lite.  Do they play it before CFL games?  Can't say I ever watch that, and the NBA, NHL, and MLB are really US leagues, so they'd have to go along regardless.

I could probably google this, but don't really feel like it, so does anyone know the history of the national anthem being played before US sporting events?  I remember it in the 70s and 80s, so I'm guessing it goes back quite a ways.  Pretty sure they show it being done in A League Of Their Own, and maybe Eight Men Out, though that doesn't necessarily mean it's historical fact.
In one of these threads around here somewhere someone linked an article that says that it started with baseball during World War I then basically no one wanted to be the one to stop doing it after.

But I agree, I think it's a weird thing we do and if we'd just stop I'd be fine with that.
I wouldn't agree with stopping it, personally. In fact, I'm kind of worried that the over-politicization of it (which may just be beginning) could end up stopping it/ruining it. I'm not in favor of it out of some nationalistic or patriotic chest puffing. Unique/unusual as it is in sports in a world context, 100 years of tradition is something that I'd like for the sports world to keep. There are not a lot of things left in sports that have been done for nearly 100 years. I like those links to the past.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Honestly bob they still have like 1000 times in every sporting event where they trot out a troop or something that everyone cheers for (note- DoD pays the leagues for this privilege. It's literally an advertisement for recruiting purposes.) we'll have plenty of opportunities through out the day.


I know - it's just funny watching the deplorables insist that their love of America is somehow rooted in how much they respect the flag and the National Anthem when anyone paying attention knows that their opposition to peaceful protest at sporting events is rooted in their innate racism and contempt for America.

You don't think that most of the people that oppose this protest, would also be opposed to white protesters marching to oppose some military action, burning a flag, etc.?
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MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I know - it's just funny watching the deplorables insist that their love of America is somehow rooted in how much they respect the flag and the National Anthem when anyone paying attention knows that their opposition to peaceful protest at sporting events  is rooted in their innate racism and contempt for America.

You don't think that most of the people that oppose this protest, would also be opposed to white protesters marching to oppose some military action, burning a flag, etc.?  
I think it would depend on a set of circumstances.

People that oppose a black man peacefully taking a knee certainly weren't outraged with a deadly white supremacist terror attack. You can never underestimate a) the sexual predator's appeal to the lowest common denominator and b) how incredibly stupid the average American is.

it can really be summed up as:

white supremacists presiding over a deadly terror attack = "very fine people".

black man peacefully protesting police brutality = "son of a bitch".

guess which event the deplorables had a problem with?
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
You don't think that most of the people that oppose this protest, would also be opposed to white protesters marching to oppose some military action, burning a flag, etc.?  
I think it would depend on a set of circumstances.

People that oppose a black man peacefully taking a knee certainly weren't outraged with a deadly white supremacist terror attack. You can never underestimate a) the sexual predator's appeal to the lowest common denominator and b) how incredibly stupid the average American is.

it can really be summed up as:

white supremacists presiding over a deadly terror attack = "very fine people".

black man peacefully protesting police brutality = "son of a bitch".

guess which event the deplorables had a problem with?
But you're making a huge generalization and stereotype to suggest that everyone opposed to this national anthem protest were not outraged at what happened in Virginia.

You also avoided my question, by saying "it would depend on a set of circumstances". I had given you the set of circumstances: Predominantly white protesters marching to oppose US military action, and burning a flag in the process.

My point is that a lot of people are just against any kind of protest against the government, and any kind of protest that they see as disrespecting the flag. To paint them all as racist is dangerous and divisive.

I support the NFL protests. Supported Kapernick's right to protest 100%. Think that the white supremacists are among the biggest pieces of shit on the planet. But I'm not going to be a hypocrite and stereotype everyone from column A into column B. Reducing the entire discussion to simply racism, is no better than those that reduce the entire discussion to love of country.
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MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I think it would depend on a set of circumstances.

People that oppose a black man peacefully taking a knee certainly weren't outraged with a deadly white supremacist terror attack. You can never underestimate a) the sexual predator's appeal to the lowest common denominator and b) how incredibly stupid the average American is.

it can really be summed up as:

white supremacists presiding over a deadly terror attack = "very fine people".

black man peacefully protesting police brutality = "son of a bitch".

guess which event the deplorables had a problem with?
But you're making a huge generalization and stereotype to suggest that everyone opposed to this national anthem protest were not outraged at what happened in Virginia.

You also avoided my question, by saying "it would depend on a set of circumstances". I had given you the set of circumstances: Predominantly white protesters marching to oppose US military action, and burning a flag in the process.

My point is that a lot of people are just against any kind of protest against the government, and any kind of protest that they see as disrespecting the flag. To paint them all as racist is dangerous and divisive.

I support the NFL protests. Supported Kapernick's right to protest 100%. Think that the white supremacists are among the biggest pieces of shit on the planet. But I'm not going to be a hypocrite and stereotype everyone from column A into column B. Reducing the entire discussion to simply racism, is no better than those that reduce the entire discussion to love of country.
I can agree to disagree.

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although, I will agree that not all folks who are outraged at a bunch of colored boys taking a knee during their favorite song aren't inherently racists (though most are) - there's probably a small minority of them with contempt for America, the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that believes taking a knee should be disallowed because it just hurts their fragile snowflake feelings.

the best part is that a large majority of these snowflakes are perfectly fine with a racist, bigoted sexual predator being their president.

 

would you agree with that??
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The people who disagree with all forms of protest against government have never have experienced government at its worst like seizures of property, arrest and sitting in jail without charges, have a corporation file a cease and desist order on their business etc.

We have had protest in this country for over 2 centuries.
Without it we would be far different.
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GRR Spartan wrote:The people who disagree with all forms of protest against government have never have experienced government at its worst like seizures of property, arrest and sitting in jail without charges, have a corporation file a cease and desist order on their business etc.

We have had protest in this country for over 2 centuries.
Without it we would be far different.
and that's what the knuckle-draggin' deplorables want.. the fact that we had a colored boy in the White House for 8 years was all it took.

When they see Kaepernick - they don't see a smart, articulate, educated person exercising his rights. They see a colored boy who should know his place.. because 10 years or so ago another uppity colored boy - not unlike Kaepernick - had the nerve to run for president.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:although, I can agree that not all folks who are outraged at a bunch of colored boys taking a knee during their favorite song aren't inherently racists (though most are) - there's probably a small minority of them with contempt for America, the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that believes taking a knee should be disallowed because it just hurts their fragile snowflake feelings.

the best part is that a large majority of these snowflakes are perfectly fine with a racist, bigoted sexual predator being their president.

 

would you agree with that??
That depends: Are you talking about everyone who opposes this protest? Or everyone who opposes this protest because the participants are black?

The latter group, yes, I agree with you.

My issue is that you're lumping all of the former in with the latter, even though there are many (if not most) of the former that do not fit the description of the latter.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 14:42

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:although, I can agree that not all folks who are outraged at a bunch of colored boys taking a knee during their favorite song aren't inherently racists (though most are) - there's probably a small minority of them with contempt for America, the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that believes taking a knee should be disallowed because it just hurts their fragile snowflake feelings.

the best part is that a large majority of these snowflakes are perfectly fine with a racist, bigoted sexual predator being their president.

 

would you agree with that??
That depends: Are you talking about everyone who opposes this protest? Or everyone who opposes this protest because the participants are black?

The latter group, yes, I agree with you.

My issue is that you're lumping all of the former in with the latter, even though there are many (if not most) of the former that do not fit the description of the latter.
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Post by msugolfguy on 2017-09-25, 14:50

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:although, I can agree that not all folks who are outraged at a bunch of colored boys taking a knee during their favorite song aren't inherently racists (though most are) - there's probably a small minority of them with contempt for America, the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that believes taking a knee should be disallowed because it just hurts their fragile snowflake feelings.

the best part is that a large majority of these snowflakes are perfectly fine with a racist, bigoted sexual predator being their president.

 

would you agree with that??
That depends: Are you talking about everyone who opposes this protest? Or everyone who opposes this protest because the participants are black?

The latter group, yes, I agree with you.

My issue is that you're lumping all of the former in with the latter, even though there are many (if not most) of the former that do not fit the description of the latter.

People really forget those Tea Party protests that swept the nation. They really did some fucked up shit, yet no major issues. Don't tread on me flag flying over the American flag- burning Obama in effigy. I had no issue at all with it because they were trying to make some point and well freedom of speech (took them a year to get that shit together but still).

Kap takes a fucking knee and the world is about to burn for these same fucking people. Take a look on Facebook not that hard to connect the dots. Now what percent are probably in those two groups- probably 70 percent. That's what we call statically significant.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 14:55

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MiamiSpartan wrote:
That depends: Are you talking about everyone who opposes this protest? Or everyone who opposes this protest because the participants are black?

The latter group, yes, I agree with you.

My issue is that you're lumping all of the former in with the latter, even though there are many (if not most) of the former that do not fit the description of the latter.

People really forget those Tea Party protests that swept the nation. They really did some fucked up shit, yet no major issues. Don't tread on me flag flying over the American flag- burning Obama in effigy. I had no issue at all with it because they were trying to make some point and well freedom of speech (took them a year to get that shit together but still).

Kap takes a fucking knee and the world is about to burn for these same fucking people. Take a look on Facebook not that hard to connect the dots. Now what percent are probably in those two groups- probably 70 percent. That's what we call statically significant.
this guy gets it.

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Post by msugolfguy on 2017-09-25, 15:00

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msugolfguy wrote:

People really forget those Tea Party protests that swept the nation. They really did some fucked up shit, yet no major issues. Don't tread on me flag flying over the American flag- burning Obama in effigy. I had no issue at all with it because they were trying to make some point and well freedom of speech (took them a year to get that shit together but still).

Kap takes a fucking knee and the world is about to burn for these same fucking people. Take a look on Facebook not that hard to connect the dots. Now what percent are probably in those two groups- probably 70 percent. That's what we call statically significant.
this guy gets it.


Thanks Bob, it's common fucking sense if you open your eyes and pay attention to some basic information. These people mostly post the same stuff time after time. Very, very few are morally consistent and say, well heck I protested- kap can too. Those are my true liberitian or converstive friends. The rest are hiding some underlying racist issues they don't want to talk about.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-09-25, 15:03

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:this guy gets it.


Thanks Bob, it's common fucking sense if you open your eyes and pay attention to some basic information. These people mostly post the same stuff time after time. Very, very few are morally consistent and say, well heck I protested- kap can too. Those are my true liberitian or converstive friends. The rest are hiding some underlying racist issues they don't want to talk about.
yep..

all of this irrational anger and hate has been simmering for 8 long years during the Obama Administration.. they disguised it for a while as their cute little Tea Party movement, as you mentioned - where they pretended to be upset about "big government" - but now they have a sexual predator white supremacist in the White House that emboldens their cause, validates their twisted emotions.. and we've seen what happens. It's only going to get worse.
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2017-09-25, 15:35

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:this guy gets it.


Thanks Bob, it's common fucking sense if you open your eyes and pay attention to some basic information. These people mostly post the same stuff time after time. Very, very few are morally consistent and say, well heck I protested- kap can too. Those are my true liberitian or converstive friends. The rest are hiding some underlying racist issues they don't want to talk about.
If you're comparing the ones taking to social media that are irate about it, fine, an awful lot of the same people.  The most vocal are usually the most extreme.  I don't think that the people who are irate on social media about this represent the majority of the people who are bothered by this protest.  That's like saying that tRCMB is a good representation of MSU grads.  My point is that there are an awful lot of people that are always bothered by protests, especially those where some disrespect of the flag is shown (burning, upside down, etc.).  That's been the case for decades, not just the last 8 years.  Social media is always going to be a skewed representation of society because people use it to follow, and as an outlet for, their strongest passions and interests.  It's why some of you spend so much time here in the Bin, and others spend no time at all here.  

I just get bothered when I see people that I know that oppose these protests, who are as non-racist as anyone can be, being stereotyped as holding such an abhorrent view (racist), just because of another view that they hold (don't like protests involving the flag in general).
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Post by msugolfguy on 2017-09-25, 16:00

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Thanks Bob, it's common fucking sense if you open your eyes and pay attention to some basic information. These people mostly post the same stuff time after time. Very, very few are morally consistent and say, well heck I protested- kap can too. Those are my true liberitian or converstive friends. The rest are hiding some underlying racist issues they don't want to talk about.
If you're comparing the ones taking to social media that are irate about it, fine, an awful lot of the same people.  The most vocal are usually the most extreme.  I don't think that the people who are irate on social media about this represent the majority of the people who are bothered by this protest.  That's like saying that tRCMB is a good representation of MSU grads.  My point is that there are an awful lot of people that are always bothered by protests, especially those where some disrespect of the flag is shown (burning, upside down, etc.).  That's been the case for decades, not just the last 8 years.  Social media is always going to be a skewed representation of society because people use it to follow, and as an outlet for, their strongest passions and interests.  It's why some of you spend so much time here in the Bin, and others spend no time at all here.  

I just get bothered when I see people that I know that oppose these protests, who are as non-racist as anyone can be, being stereotyped as holding such an abhorrent view (racist), just because of another view that they hold (don't like protests involving the flag in general).

I think you missed my point I'm not stereotyping everyone. I said about 30 percent are for certain either consistent with the belief to protest or they just don't like the manner they did it. I'm well aware its not everyone but I'm willing to bet around 70 percent of those Tea Party protesters/limited government people have lost their collective minds over this.

Also I was with you about the social media thing but logo gate happened, turned out the RCMB was lock step with that and Trump happened turns out that I thought it was just extremes posting about Trump. I was wrong again. I don't think I'll underestimate social media as much as I did in the past.
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2017-09-25, 16:52

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MiamiSpartan wrote:
If you're comparing the ones taking to social media that are irate about it, fine, an awful lot of the same people.  The most vocal are usually the most extreme.  I don't think that the people who are irate on social media about this represent the majority of the people who are bothered by this protest.  That's like saying that tRCMB is a good representation of MSU grads.  My point is that there are an awful lot of people that are always bothered by protests, especially those where some disrespect of the flag is shown (burning, upside down, etc.).  That's been the case for decades, not just the last 8 years.  Social media is always going to be a skewed representation of society because people use it to follow, and as an outlet for, their strongest passions and interests.  It's why some of you spend so much time here in the Bin, and others spend no time at all here.  

I just get bothered when I see people that I know that oppose these protests, who are as non-racist as anyone can be, being stereotyped as holding such an abhorrent view (racist), just because of another view that they hold (don't like protests involving the flag in general).

I think you missed my point I'm not stereotyping everyone. I said about 30 percent are for certain either consistent with the belief to protest or they just don't like the manner they did it. I'm well aware its not everyone but I'm willing to bet around 70 percent of those Tea Party protesters/limited government people have lost their collective minds over this.

Also I was with you about the social media thing but logo gate happened, turned out the RCMB was lock step with that and Trump happened turns out that I thought it was just extremes posting about Trump. I was wrong again. I don't think I'll underestimate social media as much as I did in the past.
That's fair enough. I'd agree that the tea party extremists are up in arms about this and likely have some level of racism behind it. I just know some that don't at all align with the tea party or far right, but who are against the protest (even a couple of Trump hating Democrats that are really bothered by being somewhat on the same side as Trump over this...mostly older people, traditional, etc.).

I don't discount the impact or influence of social media, just that the people posting are not really representative of a large group. Even if the ideas they talk about are representative of a large group, the posters are the more vocal and passionate about it. I didn't mean the extremes of what they believe, but rather the extremes in terms of how passionate they are. The most serious, most passionate, most vocal.
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