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Post by steveschneider on 12/06/19, 03:29 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: okay.

FYI - I'm satisfied with the fact that I didn't vote for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and, instead, voted for the most qualified person to ever run for president.

You're certainly welcome to your opinions on who you should vote for.
I'm satisfied that I didn't vote for him either. Instead, I voted for someone that I like and respect less than anyone that I've ever voted for for any office. I would normally vote third party if I don't like either candidate, but Trump was just so bad, especially just as a terrible person (apart from politics), that I had to vote against him, rather than for someone.

But your opinion or my opinion doesn't matter more than one vote each. The discussion was about the bigger picture, and you don't seem to understand any better than Hillary did 3 years ago, why significant numbers of people were voting for Bernie.

Regarding third parties, it's pretty much a binary choice in the election. I think both Trump and Bernie proved you can do more by joining the party than running as a third party candidate.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 12/06/19, 03:34 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: okay.

FYI - I'm satisfied with the fact that I didn't vote for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and, instead, voted for the most qualified person to ever run for president.

You're certainly welcome to your opinions on who you should vote for.
I'm satisfied that I didn't vote for him either. Instead, I voted for someone that I like and respect less than anyone that I've ever voted for for any office. I would normally vote third party if I don't like either candidate, but Trump was just so bad, especially just as a terrible person (apart from politics), that I had to vote against him, rather than for someone.

But your opinion or my opinion doesn't matter more than one vote each. The discussion was about the bigger picture, and you don't seem to understand any better than Hillary did 3 years ago, why significant numbers of people were voting for Bernie.
Never been a Bernie fan. At all.

But I would've voted for him if he had gotten the nomination.
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 12/06/19, 04:31 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
I'm satisfied that I didn't vote for him either. Instead, I voted for someone that I like and respect less than anyone that I've ever voted for for any office. I would normally vote third party if I don't like either candidate, but Trump was just so bad, especially just as a terrible person (apart from politics), that I had to vote against him, rather than for someone.

But your opinion or my opinion doesn't matter more than one vote each. The discussion was about the bigger picture, and you don't seem to understand any better than Hillary did 3 years ago, why significant numbers of people were voting for Bernie.
Never been a Bernie fan. At all.

But I would've voted for him if he had gotten the nomination.
Me too. And I'm not a fan of him politically, but I like and respect him as a person. That means more to me than politics.
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 12/06/19, 04:46 pm

steveschneider wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
I'm satisfied that I didn't vote for him either. Instead, I voted for someone that I like and respect less than anyone that I've ever voted for for any office. I would normally vote third party if I don't like either candidate, but Trump was just so bad, especially just as a terrible person (apart from politics), that I had to vote against him, rather than for someone.

But your opinion or my opinion doesn't matter more than one vote each. The discussion was about the bigger picture, and you don't seem to understand any better than Hillary did 3 years ago, why significant numbers of people were voting for Bernie.

Regarding third parties, it's pretty much a binary choice in the election. I think both Trump and Bernie proved you can do more by joining the party than running as a third party candidate.
Only because people are conditioned to think like that, but it doesn't mean that's how it should be. That's how you get the tribalism, and the "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude from both sides. It leads to this black and white view of the world, when there is so much grey out there. There are far more people in the middle than there are Dems or Pubs.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 12/06/19, 06:27 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: Never been a Bernie fan. At all.

But I would've voted for him if he had gotten the nomination.
Me too. And I'm not a fan of him politically, but I like and respect him as a person. That means more to me than politics.
agree.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 18/06/19, 03:57 pm

Orlando Sentinel Endorsement: Anyone But Trump

From a newspaper that has endorsed R since Eisenhower. The video is worth a watch.



Donald Trump is in Orlando to announce the kickoff of his re-election campaign.

We’re here to announce our endorsement for president in 2020, or, at least, who we’re not endorsing: Donald Trump.

Some readers will wonder how we could possibly eliminate a candidate so far before an election, and before knowing the identity of his opponent.

Because there’s no point pretending we would ever recommend that readers vote for Trump.

After 2½ years we’ve seen enough.
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Post by steveschneider on 19/06/19, 07:18 am

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/2020-candidate-interviews.html


Pretty cool. All 21 Democrats answer the same 18 questions. Biden was the only that wasn’t available. Going to give this a read later.
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Post by Cameron on 19/06/19, 04:09 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696124

How is Joe Biden leading the Democrats in the polls? Who out there likes and is excited for Joe Biden, and what the fuck do they like about him?
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Post by kingstonlake on 19/06/19, 10:24 pm

I'm perplexed as well, Cam.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 27/06/19, 01:20 am

How did the debates go peoples?

I wanted to watch but got roped into other stuff. #TravisButtPlay
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 27/06/19, 05:20 am

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:How did the debates go peoples?

I can't imagine watching that sort of thing.
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Post by DWags on 27/06/19, 06:07 am

Julian Castro did well.
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Post by DWags on 27/06/19, 06:23 am

I was surprised at the fact that so many of those faces I actually was seeing for the first time in my life. I guess I haven’t been paying that much attention
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Post by Tim Wakefield on 27/06/19, 06:28 am

Booker and Beto speaking Spanish was cringey and the debate was somewhat lame IMO. Interested to see if Yang can make some waves tonight
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 27/06/19, 06:53 am

It's on my DVR so there's a chance I might watch it. From what I saw on Twitter, another highlight was Booker's frustration/expression when Beto stole his thunder on something.

EDIT: OK, so I started watching it while working. In the first hour, Delaney got very little time, but was most impressive. They're going to Warren a lot.

This is the first I've really listened to Beto, not overly impressed, he's trying to hard for soundbytes and the whole espanol thing was bizarre.
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 07:43 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:How did the debates go peoples?

I can't imagine watching that sort of thing.

I watched the Mets game instead. Seeing some of the post debate stuff this morning. Chris Matthews dumbfounded by Medicare for all. And he’s frightened by Warren using the word structural. Yang fans this guy will not be your friend tonight. Can they hire someone that is in touch with the 21st century? My sense is NBC has a bias towards Biden and they are ready for the big ratings show down with Trump vs Biden.

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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 07:54 am

Also, nbc brought out an older white guy to express his gut feeling that Warren couldn’t win it. Good on O’Donnel to call it out.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 27/06/19, 07:58 am

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I can't imagine watching that sort of thing.

I watched the Mets game instead. Seeing some of the post debate stuff this morning. Chris Matthews dumbfounded by Medicare for all. And he’s frightened by Warren using the word structural. Yang fans this guy will not be your friend tonight. Can they hire someone that is in touch with the 21st century? My sense is NBC has a bias towards Biden and they are ready for the big ratings show down with Trump vs Biden.

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I was watching the CWS..

shocked that the mainstream media had a predetermined agenda spearheaded by some old white guy. The 2020 Presidential campaign. - Page 6 502811600
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Post by Jake from State Farm on 27/06/19, 08:04 am

CNN saying Trump was the loser at the debate. The 2020 Presidential campaign. - Page 6 1f602
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 27/06/19, 08:26 am

Delaney never really any more time. He was largely excluded from the conversation by the moderators.

First time I've also paid much attention to Castro. Also pretty impressive. Ditto for Klobuchar.
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 08:30 am

Jake from State Farm wrote:CNN saying Trump was the loser at the debate. The 2020 Presidential campaign. - Page 6 1f602

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 27/06/19, 08:38 am

Is the DNC still going to be employing superdelegates in 2020? I thought I remember talk of doing away with them. Maybe it was just talk.
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Post by Jake from State Farm on 27/06/19, 08:39 am

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Is the DNC still going to be employing superdelegates in 2020? I thought I remember talk of doing away with them. Maybe it was just talk.

Hillary isn't running so yes, they'll probably do away with them.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 27/06/19, 01:13 pm

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Is the DNC still going to be employing superdelegates in 2020? I thought I remember talk of doing away with them. Maybe it was just talk.

Hillary isn't running so yes, they'll probably do away with them.

Uh... pretty sure Biden already has them rolled up into his vote count.
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Post by Jake from State Farm on 27/06/19, 01:49 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:

Hillary isn't running so yes, they'll probably do away with them.

Uh... pretty sure Biden already has them rolled up into his vote count.

Nice, so we're going to get another nominee appointed by the DNC.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 27/06/19, 01:56 pm

Jake from State Farm wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Uh... pretty sure Biden already has them rolled up into his vote count.

Nice, so we're going to get another nominee appointed by the DNC.

I really have no idea... but if anyone is an "insider" that will get super-votes... its him..
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 03:09 pm

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Ratings were much higher than expected.
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 27/06/19, 03:26 pm

Question asked:
Cameron wrote:
How is Joe Biden leading the Democrats in the polls? Who out there likes and is excited for Joe Biden, and what the fuck do they like about him?

Question answered:
DWags wrote:I was surprised at the fact that so many of those faces I actually was seeing for the first time in my life. I guess I haven’t been paying that much attention

*Not saying that Dwags is for Biden, or saying anything bad about Dwags not seeing many of those faces before (I haven't either).  But I thought it was a good example of the question Cameron had asked a few posts above last week.  Point being that the reason Biden is leading in the polls is because he and Bernie are really the only household names/faces, and Biden more so than Bernie.  

And that isn't even a shot at the people polled.  There are 20 candidates, most of whom probably won't even still be in the race when the primaries in our respective states roll around.  Only the big political junkies will really know who most of these candidates are.  But very few people outside of their home states would have recognized Clinton or Obama in the summers of 91 and 07, so hopefully there's another relative unknown ready to burst forth that can actually give Trump a real fight.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 27/06/19, 09:22 pm

Is anyone watching this bullshit?
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:12 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Is anyone watching this bullshit?

I am. Just turned it on. Dems need to winnow the field but also it’s still early. I like Bernie.
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:15 pm

Get Yang some questions.
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:19 pm

Gillibrabd getting a shit load of camera time.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 27/06/19, 10:19 pm

The author lady on the end has gotten zero time but impressed
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Post by Rocinante on 27/06/19, 10:21 pm

“Warren / Harris: It’s Time to Move on”
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Post by Turtleneck on 27/06/19, 10:23 pm

Biden was probably thinking this was going to be a fun night, and all he had to do was show up...

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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:23 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:The author lady on the end has gotten zero time but impressed

I saw a tweet about her where they cut her off. She said some stuff that is to real for tv. I’ll dig it up.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 27/06/19, 10:26 pm

Bernie with a great answer re climate change
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:26 pm

Found it

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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:30 pm

Turtleneck wrote:Biden was probably thinking this was going to be a fun night, and all he had to do was show up...

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Biden the man judged harshly through a 2019 lens.
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Post by steveschneider on 27/06/19, 10:34 pm

steveschneider wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:Biden was probably thinking this was going to be a fun night, and all he had to do was show up...

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Biden the man judged harshly through a 2019 lens.

And this sums up the moment really well...

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