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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-27, 22:43

Chuck Todd what a moron this two word shit.
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Post by Turtleneck on 2019-06-27, 22:46

steveschneider wrote:Chuck Todd what a moron this two word shit.

He is terrible. MSNBC as a whole is terrible. They are probably as bad as Fox, but since they have a total of 12 regular viewers they are less consequential.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2019-06-27, 22:51

Love will win!
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2019-06-27, 22:52

Hickenlooper! Colorado! Let’s fucking go!
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-27, 22:53

Turtleneck wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Chuck Todd what a moron this two word shit.

He is terrible. MSNBC as a whole is terrible. They are probably as bad as Fox, but since they have a total of 12 regular viewers they are less consequential.

Yeah, I read my news more than I watch it. Can’t believe so many lefties turn to this dumb ass network for their news. Get with it.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2019-06-27, 22:57

GOD DAMN RIGHT BERNIE!
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-27, 22:58

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:GOD DAMN RIGHT BERNIE!
Hit it out of the park. We gotta have the guts
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-27, 23:00

Poor Yang they gave the stoner lady more air time. He got hosed.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-27, 23:34

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Post by Turtleneck on 2019-06-27, 23:55

steveschneider wrote:Poor Yang they gave the stoner lady more air time. He got hosed.

He should have asserted himself. Gillibrand certainly did in the first 30-45 minutes.
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Post by Tim Wakefield on 2019-06-28, 06:57

Yang says his mic was off when not addressed specifically: 


https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1144551813582135296?s=21
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-06-28, 07:24

Tim Wakefield wrote:Yang says his mic was off when not addressed specifically: 


https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1144551813582135296?s=21

I just started watching the thing, but he offers interesting self-assessment in that tweet thread. I read elsewhere that others mics were always open, Gillibrand's for example, while Yang's was not. That's definitely not right. I am surprised that Yang was positioned somewhat favorably, as opposed to being stuck on one of the ends.
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Post by kingstonlake on 2019-06-28, 07:56

I really like Harris bit I hate that she said "I don't believe you're a racist Joe". You know exactly what she's doing there, and it's beneath her.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-28, 08:07

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Post by NigelUno on 2019-06-28, 08:42

steveschneider wrote:[tw]1144462632662945793[/tw]

Did she sneak on the stage somehow?
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-06-28, 08:50

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:[tw]1144462632662945793[/tw]

Did she sneak on the stage somehow?

She should have reprised the classic “who am I, why am I here?” routine.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 2019-06-28, 09:27

steveschneider wrote:[tw]1144462632662945793[/tw]

DA FUQ?
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-06-28, 12:31

Yeah, Yang was hosed by MSNBC.

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Post by NigelUno on 2019-06-28, 13:24

steveschneider wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Did she sneak on the stage somehow?

She should have reprised the classic “who am I, why am I here?” routine.

I've never heard of her.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-06-30, 19:59

Surges In Twitter Followers After Debate

The New York Post reports that Yang gained more than 108,000 Twitter followers for a 32 percent increase, with Kamala Harris in second with over 69,000 new followers for a three percent increase. Julian Castro came in third with nearly 55,000 new followers for a 25 percent increase.
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Post by Turtleneck on 2019-07-07, 15:56

Biden is a socialist, but I'm not entirely sure why.

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Post by InTenSity on 2019-07-07, 20:18

That looks like Miami to me. The old Cuban crowd will vote against anything they are told is socialist.
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Post by GRR Spartan on 2019-07-08, 08:48

InTenSity wrote:That looks like Miami to me. The old Cuban crowd will vote against anything they are told is socialist.

Another hot summer and a strong hurricane season 10-20% of those old Cubans will be dead before Nov 2020.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-07-08, 12:55

I'm leaning towards Biden for 2020 because I think he has the best chance to win the 2020 election. I like a lot of the other candidates more but I don't think they can win it.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 2019-07-08, 13:27

steveschneider wrote:I'm leaning towards Biden for 2020 because I think he has the best chance to win the 2020 election. I like a lot of the other candidates more but I don't think they can win it.
I think they all can win. (unless a self-described "socialist" wins the nom... then gawd dammit we fkd again.)

Right now it may seem less so because of the watered down message since there is like 50 of them.

They need to plan a mid-october million person march on the mall next year. Get literally a million peeps out there showing their disgust from with everything from sexism and misogyny to gun control to the Rs still trying to undermine the ACA to Rs allowing foreign actors fuck up our shit (while their parents and grandparent died in battle to protect our shit) to the Rs allowing slimy corruption from the cabinet and white house, etc etc etc....

Then they need bombard with ads explaining that ALL BLAME falls on R shoulders for all of it.

Something like:
Mitch McConnell and the republicans did NOTHING to curtail the lies and corruption of the current administration....[speed read a list of shit they have done until the ad time runs out]
(better chance then not the viewer will care about at least one of the crappy things they have allowed.)

I don't think the vast majority of Americans pay an eighth the attention to the news that we do.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-07-08, 14:05

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I'm leaning towards Biden for 2020 because I think he has the best chance to win the 2020 election. I like a lot of the other candidates more but I don't think they can win it.
I think they all can win. (unless a self-described "socialist" wins the nom... then gawd dammit we fkd again.)

Right now it may seem less so because of the watered down message since there is like 50 of them.

They need to plan a mid-october million person march on the mall next year. Get literally a million peeps out there showing their disgust from with everything from sexism and misogyny to gun control to the Rs still trying to undermine the ACA to Rs allowing foreign actors fuck up our shit (while their parents and grandparent died in battle to protect our shit) to the Rs allowing slimy corruption from the cabinet and white house, etc etc etc....

Then they need bombard with ads explaining that ALL BLAME falls on R shoulders for all of it.

Something like:
Mitch McConnell and the republicans did NOTHING to curtail the lies and corruption of the current administration....[speed read a list of shit they have done until the ad time runs out]
(better chance then not the viewer will care about at least one of the crappy things they have allowed.)

I don't think the vast majority of Americans pay an eighth the attention to the news that we do.

I hope you are right. I'm for whoever can get it done, I just think considering the entire electoral map Biden has the best chance. We shall see though he might not win the primary, the far left wing is hell bent on ripping him a new one.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 2019-07-08, 15:13

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I hope you are right. I'm for whoever can get it done, I just think considering the entire electoral map Biden has the best chance. We shall see though he might not win the primary, the far left wing is hell bent on ripping him a new one.

ug... just came up in the twitters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/08/how-trump-wins-americans-see-his-opponent-socialist/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.715c43f9ece1
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Post by Cameron on 2019-07-08, 15:36

steveschneider wrote:I'm leaning towards Biden for 2020 because I think he has the best chance to win the 2020 election. I like a lot of the other candidates more but I don't think they can win it.

That's fucking dumb, steve. Biden sucks.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 2019-07-08, 15:48

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I'm leaning towards Biden for 2020 because I think he has the best chance to win the 2020 election. I like a lot of the other candidates more but I don't think they can win it.

That's fucking dumb, steve. Biden sucks.
Agree... at the bottom of my dem list, next to Bernie.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-07-08, 16:04

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I'm leaning towards Biden for 2020 because I think he has the best chance to win the 2020 election. I like a lot of the other candidates more but I don't think they can win it.  

That's fucking dumb, steve. Biden sucks.

It's down to Mayor Pete, Bernie, Warren, Harris or Biden with Harris and Biden leading the pack. I think Biden has a better shot at it than Harris. I think he has a better chance of winning Florida and the rust belt than Harris.  


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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-07-08, 16:05

Swalwell. Out.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on 2019-07-09, 09:02

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:

That's fucking dumb, steve. Biden sucks.

It's down to Mayor Pete, Bernie, Warren, Harris or Biden with Harris and Biden leading the pack. I think Biden has a better shot at it than Harris. I think he has a better chance of winning Florida and the rust belt than Harris.  

That too is fucking dumb, steve. This shit always gets turned on its head within the first month or so. Bernie wasn't even a "name" at this point in 2015. (That is why he lost... started so slow.) Like predicting a full football season in August.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2019-07-09, 10:54

The black population of South Ben apparently is not fond of the job Mayor Pete has done for them. That is the first bad thing I've heard about him. That's not going to play well.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-07-09, 11:10

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:The black population of South Ben apparently is not fond of the job Mayor Pete has done for them. That is the first bad thing I've heard about him. That's not going to play well.

That's spot on. You have to win the African American vote to get it. The three that seem to have the best shot at winning it are Warren, Biden and Harris. Harris made huge gains after the last debate but the candidates are going to be prepared for her next time.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-07-09, 11:28

steveschneider wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:The black population of South Ben apparently is not fond of the job Mayor Pete has done for them. That is the first bad thing I've heard about him. That's not going to play well.

That's spot on. You have to win the African American vote to get it. The three that seem to have the best shot at winning it are Warren, Biden and Harris. Harris made huge gains after the last debate but the candidates are going to be prepared for her next time.

Harris made her gains by going after Biden on stuff from 40-50 years ago. It underscored two points, he's been around a long time and times have changed. The former might work against him, I doubt the latter will.

Somebody is going to come after on her record as a prosecutor. I don't know a lot about that, just seen bits and pieces that it might not be all that stellar.
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Post by Cameron on 2019-07-09, 12:41

Floyd Robertson wrote:
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That's spot on. You have to win the African American vote to get it. The three that seem to have the best shot at winning it are Warren, Biden and Harris. Harris made huge gains after the last debate but the candidates are going to be prepared for her next time.

Harris made her gains by going after Biden on stuff from 40-50 years ago. It underscored two points, he's been around a long time and times have changed. The former might work against him, I doubt the latter will.

Somebody is going to come after on her record as a prosecutor. I don't know a lot about that, just seen bits and pieces that it might not be all that stellar.

I don't know too much about her record, but as a general proposition, I do not like prosecutors and would not vote for a former prosecutor if a reasonable alternative is available.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-07-09, 12:52

Cameron wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:

Harris made her gains by going after Biden on stuff from 40-50 years ago. It underscored two points, he's been around a long time and times have changed. The former might work against him, I doubt the latter will.

Somebody is going to come after on her record as a prosecutor. I don't know a lot about that, just seen bits and pieces that it might not be all that stellar.

I don't know too much about her record, but as a general proposition, I do not like prosecutors and would not vote for a former prosecutor if a reasonable alternative is available.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

Pretty concise and to the point in regards to her controversial work as a prosecutor.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-07-09, 13:47

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:

I don't know too much about her record, but as a general proposition, I do not like prosecutors and would not vote for a former prosecutor if a reasonable alternative is available.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

Pretty concise and to the point in regards to her controversial work as a prosecutor.

Yeah, there's a lot of highly questionable stuff there.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-07-09, 14:04

Here is some more in depth reporting on the Larsen case.

"Harris’s actions in the Daniel Larsen case are particularly concerning.

The Larsen case was a travesty of justice from start to finish. In 1999, when two police officers claimed they saw Larsen, who had earlier in his life been convicted for burglary, pull a six-inch-long knife from his waistband and throw it under a car, he was sentenced to twenty-seven years to life under the three-strikes law supported by Harris.

Forget for a second that the sentence was unduly harsh for the crime in question. Police had wrongly targeted Larsen for a search in the first place, and witnesses reported that it wasn’t Larsen but the man he was with who had thrown the knife. In trial, Larsen’s incompetent lawyer (who would later be disbarred) didn’t investigate a single witness, nor present one in trial.

Eleven years later, a judge reversed the conviction due to the lack of evidence and incompetence of Larson’s attorney’s. Yet two years later, Larsen was still in jail. Why? Because Harris, now a vocal opponent of mass incarceration, appealed the judge’s decision on the basis that Larsen had filed his paperwork too late — a technicality.

Tens of thousands of people petitioned Harris to release Larsen, and numerous civil rights groups similarly called on her to do the right thing. But even when he was eventually released from custody after fourteen years, Harris challenged his release, and five months later Larsen was back in court, fighting to stay out of prison for a crime he didn’t commit."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general

I think that one could come back to haunt her.
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Post by Cameron on 2019-07-09, 15:28

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:

I don't know too much about her record, but as a general proposition, I do not like prosecutors and would not vote for a former prosecutor if a reasonable alternative is available.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

Pretty concise and to the point in regards to her controversial work as a prosecutor.

Apparently the NYTimes now requires one to create an account to read articles, which I refuse to do. Someone give me the cliff notes.
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