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Post by Rocinante on 2019-02-19, 18:11

Oh my God, Joe Rogan is so fucking stupid.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 18:11

Cameron wrote:
Cameron wrote:I like Andrew Yang based on what I currently know about him.


Bump for steve.

I gotta watch that entire episode. Pretty impressed by what he's saying so far.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 18:12

Rocinante wrote:Oh my God, Joe Rogan is so fucking stupid.

I think Joe is batting about .100% which isn't very good but one out of ten episodes is worth a listen.
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Post by Cameron on 2019-02-19, 18:32

steveschneider wrote:
Rocinante wrote:Oh my God, Joe Rogan is so fucking stupid.

I think Joe is batting about .100% which isn't very good but one out of ten episodes is worth a listen.

Listening to full episodes is where you go amiss. I'm all about the clips.
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Post by msugolfguy on 2019-02-19, 18:43

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Bump for steve.

I gotta watch that entire episode. Pretty impressed by what he's saying so far.

What's Andrew Yang have to say about Smollett? You know the real issue of the day.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 18:46

msugolfguy wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I gotta watch that entire episode. Pretty impressed by what he's saying so far.

What's Andrew Yang have to say about Smollett? You know the real issue of the day.

He has said nothing about it so far which makes me like him even more.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2019-02-19, 18:59

steveschneider wrote:
msugolfguy wrote:

What's Andrew Yang have to say about Smollett? You know the real issue of the day.

He has said nothing about it so far which makes me like him even more.

I don’t think any of them have steve.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 19:03

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

He has said nothing about it so far which makes me like him even more.

I don’t think any of them have steve.

K Harris?
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2019-02-19, 19:06

steveschneider wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

I don’t think any of them have steve.

K Harris?

I dunno. But on the upside you’ve got like 15 more to go
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2019-02-19, 19:07

I emailed a candidate during the recent elections running under the R flag. Response. It's not that difficult. Have some fuckin balls. More of this. And have the balls to back it up on the record, rather than just in an email.

Thank you for your question.
This is a difficult situation right now. I am first a Spartan and second a republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. So, there are republican issues that I support when it comes to taxes, the size of government, and federal spending.
However, President Trump does not represent the type of personal character I would have chosen in my Président.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2019-02-19, 19:09

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I emailed a candidate during the recent elections running under the R flag. Response. It's not that difficult. Have some fuckin balls. More of this. And have the balls to back it up on the record, rather than just in an email.

Thank you for your question.
This is a difficult situation right now. I am first a Spartan and second a republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. So, there are republican issues that I support when it comes to taxes, the size of government, and federal spending.
However, President Trump does not represent the type of personal character I would have chosen in my Président.

What did he actually vote for in his previous experience wbh? Lots of republicans say lots of words then fall right in line so it means nothing.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2019-02-19, 19:18

I totally agree Trav. I'm sure he voted for Orange Monkey.

One of my good buddies, grew up in a very Conservative Oakland County family, but he's smart. Up North (not UP) this summer, on the boat. We were all commiserating about the current state of affairs. He agreed. And he said yeah, I voted for him. Would you vote for him again? He said No. Absolutely not. He's an idiot and a clown. So some of them get it at least. I can't believe there are ~ 40% of the voting population who don't.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2019-02-19, 19:22

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I totally agree Trav. I'm sure he voted for Orange Monkey.

One of my good buddies, grew up in a very Conservative Oakland County family, but he's smart. Up North (not UP) this summer, on the boat. We were all commiserating about the current state of affairs. He agreed. And he said yeah, I voted for him. Would you vote for him again? He said No. Absolutely not. He's an idiot and a clown. So some of them get it at least. I can't believe there are ~ 40% of the voting population who don't.

Check back in with him in 15 months.
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Post by msugolfguy on 2019-02-19, 19:39

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I emailed a candidate during the recent elections running under the R flag. Response. It's not that difficult. Have some fuckin balls. More of this. And have the balls to back it up on the record, rather than just in an email.

Thank you for your question.
This is a difficult situation right now. I am first a Spartan and second a republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. So, there are republican issues that I support when it comes to taxes, the size of government, and federal spending.
However, President Trump does not represent the type of personal character I would have chosen in my Président.

What federal spending would he be talking about?

Trump basically bailed out his base with farmers and now is planning a huge wall. I'm not sure outside of Taxes what that guy would back.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 19:46

msugolfguy wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I emailed a candidate during the recent elections running under the R flag. Response. It's not that difficult. Have some fuckin balls. More of this. And have the balls to back it up on the record, rather than just in an email.

Thank you for your question.
This is a difficult situation right now. I am first a Spartan and second a republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. So, there are republican issues that I support when it comes to taxes, the size of government, and federal spending.
However, President Trump does not represent the type of personal character I would have chosen in my Président.

What federal spending would he be talking about?

Trump basically bailed out his base with farmers and now is planning a huge wall. I'm not sure outside of Taxes what that guy would back.

I don’t get conservatives. Most people I know are saying their taxes went up thanks to Trump and 2 trillion has been added to the national debt. This is republican policy in action.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2019-02-19, 20:31

msugolfguy wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I gotta watch that entire episode. Pretty impressed by what he's saying so far.

What's Andrew Yang have to say about Smollett? You know the real issue of the day.
who/what is "Smollett"?
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 21:36

Bernie’s fundraising is off the charts and he’s starting out on the attack saying if Hillary had let him run we wouldn’t be in this mess. His age is a big question mark but he’s looking like a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-02-19, 21:40

steveschneider wrote:Bernie’s fundraising is off the charts and he’s starting out on the attack saying if Hillary had let him run we wouldn’t be in this mess. His age is a big question mark but he’s looking like a force to be reckoned with.

I think I read the only one polling higher in Iowa right now is Joe.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-02-19, 22:48

Floyd Robertson wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Bernie’s fundraising is off the charts and he’s starting out on the attack saying if Hillary had let him run we wouldn’t be in this mess. His age is a big question mark but he’s looking like a force to be reckoned with.

I think I read the only one polling higher in Iowa right now is Joe.

Joe vs Bernie will be pretty wild.
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Post by Rocinante on 2019-02-20, 14:39

Right now, pragmatically, Joe Biden is who I think should get the nomination.

If I could know that the democrats could take both houses, and that somebody like Sanders or Warren could get elected even though they are pretty far left, I'd want one of them to get the nomination, but realistically, even if the democrats get the senate (which they really could), I'm really skeptical with our electoral system, that a professedly left presidential candidate could win. Hate of Trump is not enough.
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Post by Cameron on 2019-02-20, 14:46

Biden should have run last time if he wants to be president.

Yang 2020
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Post by Rocinante on 2019-02-20, 14:54

Cameron wrote:Biden should have run last time if he wants to be president.

Yang 2020

His son had just died. The same one that was in a horrible car accident with his wife and baby daughter when they died. Dude has seen some shit. He planned on running, but didn't have it in him at the time. give him a break. Also, I said pragmatically. Yang, at least now, is completely unknown to the majority of Americans.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-03-01, 13:44

I know nothing about this guy.

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Post by Cameron on 2019-03-01, 14:04

Floyd Robertson wrote:I know nothing about this guy.

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Based on the short thing I read about Inslee earlier today, it seems like he's done some good stuff as governor.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-03-01, 14:30

Rocinante wrote:
Cameron wrote:Biden should have run last time if he wants to be president.

Yang 2020

His son had just died. The same one that was in a horrible car accident with his wife and baby daughter when they died. Dude has seen some shit. He planned on running, but didn't have it in him at the time. give him a break. Also, I said pragmatically. Yang, at least now, is completely unknown to the majority of Americans.

Biden is going to have a hard time with some of his past accomplishments. He was a major proponent for mass incarceration in the 90's and the world is moving towards prison reform.
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Post by tGreenWay on 2019-03-01, 14:40

Pretty sure Daryl the night custodian from my high school is declaring tomorrow. The Dems primary is going to be one smelly white guy bigger shortly.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2019-03-01, 14:51

steveschneider wrote:
Rocinante wrote:
Cameron wrote:Biden should have run last time if he wants to be president.

Yang 2020

His son had just died. The same one that was in a horrible car accident with his wife and baby daughter when they died. Dude has seen some shit. He planned on running, but didn't have it in him at the time. give him a break. Also, I said pragmatically. Yang, at least now, is completely unknown to the majority of Americans.

Biden is going to have a hard time with some of his past accomplishments. He was a major proponent for mass incarceration in the 90's and the world is moving towards prison reform.

Is it a requirement for a candidate to have been right on every issue throughout their past?
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-03-01, 15:00

Heat Miser wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Biden is going to have a hard time with some of his past accomplishments. He was a major proponent for mass incarceration in the 90's and the world is moving towards prison reform.

Is it a requirement for a candidate to have been right on every issue throughout their past?

Certainly not, but there's a lot of clear indicators it is likely to come back to haunt him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/23/joe-bidens-tough-on-crime-past-could-haunt-him/?utm_term=.fe9ae1ae995c
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2019-03-01, 15:08

Heat Miser wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Biden is going to have a hard time with some of his past accomplishments. He was a major proponent for mass incarceration in the 90's and the world is moving towards prison reform.

Is it a requirement for a candidate to have been right on every issue throughout their past?

On twitter and by extension message boards? Yes, 100% it’s a requirement. In the real world where people vote? Honestly I don’t know the answer. My hunch would be no. I guess we’ll find out.
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Post by NigelUno on 2019-03-01, 15:17

Heat Miser wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Biden is going to have a hard time with some of his past accomplishments. He was a major proponent for mass incarceration in the 90's and the world is moving towards prison reform.

Is it a requirement for a candidate to have been right on every issue throughout their past?

Doesn't seem like it's a requirement to be right on any issue in the past or present.
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Post by GRR Spartan on 2019-03-02, 10:37

We know whoever the Democrats nominate will be being accused of "Hating America", being a socialist and wanting to make the US into Venezuela
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2019-03-14, 09:45

Could this be the guy? I need edu-ma-cate myself some more but based on what I know from his time in the spotlight I like him. #TeamBeto

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beto-o-rourke-jumping-into-2020-presidential-race-235309920.html
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-03-14, 09:55

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Could this be the guy? I need edu-ma-cate myself some more but based on what I know from his time in the spotlight I like him. #TeamBeto

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beto-o-rourke-jumping-into-2020-presidential-race-235309920.html

Quite possibly. I like him.

Honestly for 2020 my entire mind is made up. I'm going to vote straight ticket Dem. I've also reached an absolute wall with DJT and find there's really not much left to say about him. When people are like can you believe what he did? My answer at this point is 'yeah'.
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Post by Jake from State Farm on 2019-03-14, 10:51

steveschneider wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Could this be the guy? I need edu-ma-cate myself some more but based on what I know from his time in the spotlight I like him. #TeamBeto

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beto-o-rourke-jumping-into-2020-presidential-race-235309920.html

Quite possibly. I like him.

Honestly for 2020 my entire mind is made up. I'm going to vote straight ticket Dem. I've also reached an absolute wall with DJT and find there's really not much left to say about him. When people are like can you believe what he did? My answer at this point is 'yeah'.

So it's going to be anybody but Trump? Yeah, me too.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2019-03-14, 11:00

Jake from State Farm wrote:
steveschneider wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Could this be the guy? I need edu-ma-cate myself some more but based on what I know from his time in the spotlight I like him. #TeamBeto

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beto-o-rourke-jumping-into-2020-presidential-race-235309920.html

Quite possibly. I like him.

Honestly for 2020 my entire mind is made up. I'm going to vote straight ticket Dem. I've also reached an absolute wall with DJT and find there's really not much left to say about him. When people are like can you believe what he did? My answer at this point is 'yeah'.

So it's going to be anybody but Trump? Yeah, me too.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes, which is what it also should have been in '16.
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Post by steveschneider on 2019-03-14, 11:11

Jake from State Farm wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Quite possibly. I like him.

Honestly for 2020 my entire mind is made up. I'm going to vote straight ticket Dem. I've also reached an absolute wall with DJT and find there's really not much left to say about him. When people are like can you believe what he did? My answer at this point is 'yeah'.

So it's going to be anybody but Trump? Yeah, me too.

I guess the only vote I'll really have to think about is the NYS primaries. At that point I'll go through the field and pick one. The 2016 media circus is still fresh on my mind and I'm not really interested in following 2 years of hot takes from the DC press. The dems in disarray, pochahontis and her emails narratives don't mean shit to me at this point.
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Post by GRR Spartan on 2019-03-14, 11:21

msugolfguy wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I emailed a candidate during the recent elections running under the R flag. Response. It's not that difficult. Have some fuckin balls. More of this. And have the balls to back it up on the record, rather than just in an email.

Thank you for your question.
This is a difficult situation right now. I am first a Spartan and second a republican. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. So, there are republican issues that I support when it comes to taxes, the size of government, and federal spending.
However, President Trump does not represent the type of personal character I would have chosen in my Président.

What federal spending would he be talking about?

Trump basically bailed out his base with farmers and now is planning a huge wall. I'm not sure outside of Taxes what that guy would back.

If his or your family has an annual income of $200K to $500K that’s salaries, are paying a mortgage and taxes on a home valued at $400K+ and lives in MI there’s chance taxes will be more because of the $10K max deduction limit. If you have 1 or more cchildren who are 18 you have lost that deduction.

I have found it fascinating that Republicans are always talking how we can’t afford to take K-12 and Federal higher ed spending to where it was pre Reagan and deficits were the evil bogey man in the closet until Dec 2017 when Trump signed the new tax bill. It’s great for Trump and his family. Great for the Top 10 who will never need Medicare or SS but for the other 90 % bend over because Trump is proposing per capita cuts across the board.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2019-03-16, 11:40

Read up a bit on Beto. I love his attitude. He also seems quite humble and like he stands for the right things. Very normal. Probably too normal. He is definitely inexperienced though obviously so was Orange Douchebag. But do we need someone who is that green? I don't know.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2019-03-28, 14:42

I had not heard of this compact until today. Pretty interesting.

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Post by GRR Spartan on 2019-03-28, 15:40

In 2016 we moved into full scale Idiocracy and if the Democrats lose to Trump again I expect to see losses of freedom and the right to dissent evaporate.
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