Looks like another mass shooting

by **Rocinante** 2017-11-05, 14:59

First Baptist Church - Southerland Sprigs Texas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/several-casualties-reported-texas-church-shooting-n817751

Use this thread to consolidate news until Travis has to move it.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2017-11-05, 15:09

Thoughts and prayers!

Ok now that’s done.. what was I doing again?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 15:37

My thoughts and prayers are with NRA members during this very difficult time.

by **Rocinante** 2017-11-05, 15:39

You know what? We don’t even know what’s happened and this is the bullshit that goes on. Stop being assholes for 5 minutes. Please.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2017-11-05, 15:50

Rocinante wrote:You know what? We don’t even know what’s happened and this is the bullshit that goes on. Stop being assholes for 5 minutes. Please.

What did I say?

by **Death Roe** 2017-11-05, 15:53

Rocinante wrote:You know what? We don’t even know what’s happened and this is the bullshit that goes on. Stop being assholes for 5 minutes. Please.

Thank you, Roc. (seriously)

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 15:59

Second terrorist attack on American soil in less than a week.

#MAGA

by **Rocinante** 2017-11-05, 18:22

At least 25 dead now being reported. Based on the videos of church services, some will be children.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2017-11-05, 18:31

Rocinante wrote:At least 25 dead now being reported. Based on the videos of church services, some will be children.

by **tGreenWay** 2017-11-05, 18:32

Shooter is a 26 yo Devin Patrick Kelley. Pastor was out of town but says his 14 yo daughter is among the dead.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 18:33

Rocinante wrote:At least 25 dead now being reported. Based on the videos of church services, some will be children.

too soon to attempt to humanize the victims.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 18:34

tGreenWay wrote:Shooter is a 26 yo Devin Patrick Kelley. Pastor was out of town but says his 14 yo daughter is among the dead.

"Devin Patrick Kelley" is a strange name for a terrorist.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 18:36

gHost Spartan wrote:Welp. Another day, another terrorist act, mass shooting... whatever... Sad.

I wonder where Devin was radicalized?

by **Rocinante** 2017-11-05, 18:37

Lots of misinformation being bandied about about the shooter already. I don’t understand why people think that’s warranted or funny. People don’t seem to get that there’s no internet you and IRL you. If you’re an asshole on the internet, you’re just an asshole.

by **steveschneider** 2017-11-05, 18:46

Thoughts and prayers to the victims. All across gods great nation there will be candle light vigils and no one should talk about the gun problem until the last candle burns out.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 18:53

Rocinante wrote:Lots of misinformation being bandied about about the shooter already. I don’t understand why people think that’s warranted or funny. People don’t seem to get that there’s no internet you and IRL you. If you’re an asshole on the internet, you’re just an asshole.

I'm guessing the shooter is white?

If so, thoughts and prayers. If not, build the wall/Muslim ban.

by Guest 2017-11-05, 18:59

If this is true he was breaking laws the minute he picked a gun up....yet somehow people convince themselves that 5 more laws would have somehow deterred him. There's no logic in that whatsoever.

Nick Short Verified account @PoliticalShort 35m35 minutes ago
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Church shooter is a former U.S. Air Force member, received a dishonorable discharge & was court martialed in May2014

The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm including Title II Firearms (a Silencer, SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machine Gun)

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html

by Guest 2017-11-05, 19:02

Compassion

Antonio E. Gonzalez‏ @ReFlex76

Sutherland Springs is in rural Texas, these were all likely 45 voters.

This is karma in action.

Good riddance.

by Herbie Green 2017-11-05, 19:02

Rocinante wrote:Lots of misinformation being bandied about about the shooter already. I don’t understand why people think that’s warranted or funny. People don’t seem to get that there’s no internet you and IRL you. If you’re an asshole on the internet, you’re just an asshole.

I don't know. I think I am an asshole on the Internet but a pretty cool guy to have a beer with in real life.

But I think it is a little different when it is personal. Of course there are in fact asshole(s) here that cross that line.

by Guest 2017-11-05, 19:04

Oh and maybe some more smartassery about armed good guys would be appropriate here:

Kris Betts‏Verified account @KrisB_KVUE

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BREAKING: DPS confirms the Sutherland Springs suspect "engaged in gunfight" with another citizen who tried to stop him. Cannot confirm if citizen killed him or if it was self-inflicted gunshot.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 19:05

LooseGoose wrote:If this is true he was breaking laws the minute he picked a gun up....yet somehow people convince themselves that 5 more laws would have somehow deterred him. There's no logic in that whatsoever.

Nick Short Verified account @PoliticalShort 35m35 minutes ago
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Church shooter is a former U.S. Air Force member, received a dishonorable discharge & was court martialed in May2014

The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm including Title II Firearms (a Silencer, SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machine Gun)

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html

so is Devin white?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 19:07

LooseGoose wrote:Oh and maybe some more smartassery about armed good guys would be appropriate here:

Kris Betts‏Verified account @KrisB_KVUE

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BREAKING: DPS confirms the Sutherland Springs suspect "engaged in gunfight" with another citizen who tried to stop him. Cannot confirm if citizen killed him or if it was self-inflicted gunshot.

churches are the most dangerous places in America.

That's why I don't go.

by **Rocinante** 2017-11-05, 19:07

At least 25 people are dead. Some were kids. At least one was a pregnant woman. What team are we on here? Republicans? Democrats? How about human fucking beings? You guys sicken me. Like literally. You make me feel sick to my stomach.

by **Death Roe** 2017-11-05, 19:07

by Guest 2017-11-05, 19:08

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:If this is true he was breaking laws the minute he picked a gun up....yet somehow people convince themselves that 5 more laws would have somehow deterred him. There's no logic in that whatsoever.

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html
so is Devin white?

That doesn't matter to me, I'm sorry it does for you. But then again everything with you starts with race, it's your schtick.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 19:10

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: so is Devin white?

That doesn't matter to me, I'm sorry it does for you. But then again everything with you starts with race, it's your schtick.

so, he's white.

Thoughts and prayers.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-11-05, 19:11

Rocinante wrote:At least 25 people are dead. Some were kids. At least one was a pregnant woman. What team are we on here? Republicans? Democrats? How about human fucking beings? You guys sicken me. Like literally. You make me feel sick to my stomach.

I'm on the side of life, not "thoughts and prayers".

by **Death Roe** 2017-11-05, 19:15

Rocinante wrote:At least 25 people are dead. Some were kids. At least one was a pregnant woman. What team are we on here? Republicans? Democrats? How about human fucking beings? You guys sicken me. Like literally. You make me feel sick to my stomach.

I think we only really know one person in this thread making it a political thing.

by **kingstonlake** 2017-11-05, 19:51

For the record laws do deter people. For example, its why I don't walk to my car without paying for my groceries first.

by **kingstonlake** 2017-11-05, 19:56

LooseGoose wrote:Oh and maybe some more smartassery about armed good guys would be appropriate here:

Kris Betts‏Verified account @KrisB_KVUE

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BREAKING: DPS confirms the Sutherland Springs suspect "engaged in gunfight" with another citizen who tried to stop him. Cannot confirm if citizen killed him or if it was self-inflicted gunshot.

Just think how many bad guys he could have dispatched if he were carrying a semi automatic rifle with a bump stock. Clearly this good guy was ill prepared for self defense if he was carrying a pussy boy weapon like a stock .38 or something...... The NRA isn't gonna like this.

by Guest 2017-11-05, 20:06

Looks like the standard NRA member to me...

Looks like another mass shooting WhCK7Kb

by Guest 2017-11-05, 20:07

Maybe Bob can tell me what group wears camo paint like that?

by **kingstonlake** 2017-11-05, 20:31

LooseGoose wrote:Looks like the standard NRA member to me...

Hard to tell if he was an NRA member or just enabled by their lobby, Goose.

by **kingstonlake** 2017-11-05, 20:32

Definitely a nice weapon for "personal" protection.

by Guest 2017-11-05, 20:45

kingstonlake wrote:Definitely a nice weapon for "personal" protection.

Illegally owned. He was confronted and stopped by a legal gun owner.

It still amazes me how many people think passing more laws will stop people that obey no laws. This from supposedly educated, logical people.

by **kingstonlake** 2017-11-05, 20:50

LooseGoose wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Definitely a nice weapon for "personal" protection.

Illegally owned. He was confronted and stopped by a legal gun owner.

It still amazes me how many people think passing more laws will stop people that obey no laws. This from supposedly educated, logical people.

Are you on the side of less laws and restrictions for gun owners?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2017-11-05, 20:51

Rocinante wrote:Lots of misinformation being bandied about about the shooter already. I don’t understand why people think that’s warranted or funny. People don’t seem to get that there’s no internet you and IRL you. If you’re an asshole on the internet, you’re just an asshole.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2017-11-05, 21:02

Death Roe wrote:
Rocinante wrote:At least 25 people are dead. Some were kids. At least one was a pregnant woman. What team are we on here? Republicans? Democrats? How about human fucking beings? You guys sicken me. Like literally. You make me feel sick to my stomach.

I think we only really know one person in this thread making it a political thing.

Looks like two to me, Jim. Back to you.

One thing I do know, when this happens again in a few weeks it’ll be the same tired ass argument. America.

by **GRR Spartan** 2017-11-05, 21:23

Somebody sold the weapon to him, bought it for him or he stole it from a careless owner who didn't look it up.

If 20 children and 6 adults killed at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut in Dec '12 got the more laws won't change anything crowd to keep the status quo why should 25 people dying after being shot in a Baptist church 1900 miles away 5 years later change things.

Thought and prayers. Again and again and again and again.

Its the chaos the NRA and others depend on to thrive

by **InTenSity** 2017-11-05, 23:13

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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