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Post by GRR Spartan on Sun 6 Aug 2017 - 20:22

Might want to get out west to see wide open space and trout fishing before Montana starts surface mining.

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Post by LooseGoose on Sun 6 Aug 2017 - 20:28

Absolutely it's all going to hell. There were no mines before Trump. Silliness.

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Post by Turtleneck on Sun 6 Aug 2017 - 20:34

LooseGoose wrote:Absolutely it's all going to hell. There were no mines before Trump. Silliness.

Were you a straw farmer back in the day?
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Post by NigelUno on Sun 6 Aug 2017 - 21:13

LooseGoose wrote:Absolutely it's all going to hell. There were no mines before Trump. Silliness.

From the article...(did you read it?):

Separately, Mr. Trump’s Interior Department is drawing up plans to reduce wilderness and historic areas that are now protected as national monuments, creating even more opportunities for profit.

Are you in favor of that?
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Post by Turtleneck on Sun 6 Aug 2017 - 21:20

NigelUno wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Absolutely it's all going to hell. There were no mines before Trump. Silliness.

From the article...(did you read it?):

Separately, Mr. Trump’s Interior Department is drawing up plans to reduce wilderness and historic areas that are now protected as national monuments, creating even more opportunities for profit.

Are you in favor of that?

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Post by GRR Spartan on Sun 6 Aug 2017 - 21:36

Trumpite true believers don't give a fuck what Trump and his administration does until their water sources and streams are polluted.

Besides the pollution it appears to be a rigged bid game. 11 of 107 bids got more than one bidder.
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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 8:38

GRR Spartan wrote:Trumpite true believers don't give a fuck what Trump and his administration does until their water sources and streams are polluted.

Besides the pollution it appears to be a rigged bid game. 11 of 107 bids got more than one bidder.

2 totally inane statements in one post. Batting 1.000 for this one, new record.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 8:43

I'm looking forward to coal making America great again..

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 8:50

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm looking forward to coal making America great again..

It'll probably be the 2nd year of President Pence's term before you see real results Bob.


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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 8:51

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm looking forward to coal making America great again..

It'll probably be the 2nd year of President Pence's term before you see real results Bob.

as long as we can keep black people where they belong and take healthcare away from poor people, I'll be happy.

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Post by LooseGoose on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 8:54

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

It'll probably be the 2nd year of President Pence's term before you see real results Bob.

as long as we can keep black people where they belong and take healthcare away from poor people, I'll be happy.


This reminds me I actually have a post I should make with serious questions...

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 9:20

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: as long as we can keep black people where they belong and take healthcare away from poor people, I'll be happy.


This reminds me I actually have a post I should make with serious questions...
I'd love to hear your serious questions!
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Post by Turtleneck on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 9:21

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: as long as we can keep black people where they belong and take healthcare away from poor people, I'll be happy.


This reminds me I actually have a post I should make with serious questions...

What site will the questions be copied from?
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Post by GRR Spartan on Mon 7 Aug 2017 - 11:30

LooseGoose wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Trumpite true believers don't give a fuck what Trump and his administration does until their water sources and streams are polluted.

Besides the pollution it appears to be a rigged bid game.  11 of 107 bids got more than one bidder.

2 totally inane statements in one post.   Batting 1.000 for this one, new record.

Neither are innane unless you want an American authoritarian oligarchy and are part of the base Trump called out in his latest barage of tweets..
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Post by tGreenWay on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 0:15

NigelUno wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Absolutely it's all going to hell. There were no mines before Trump. Silliness.

From the article...(did you read it?):

Separately, Mr. Trump’s Interior Department is drawing up plans to reduce wilderness and historic areas that are now protected as national monuments, creating even more opportunities for profit.

Are you in favor of that?

Goose?

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Post by LooseGoose on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 9:25

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Separately, Mr. Trump’s Interior Department is drawing up plans to reduce wilderness and historic areas that are now protected as national monuments, creating even more opportunities for profit.

Are you in favor of that?
Goose?

As with many things it's not as simple as yes/no.   First I think the National Monument set asides have gotten out of control.   There needs to be much more local input rather than Presidential decree alone.

Now the "more opportunities for profit" - the article never really gets into them.  

Are they only referring to drilling and mining?  Or is logging included?  

We need more logging which enviros killed off.   Want to reduce the fire danger?  Science tells you to thin the stands of trees.  The "party of science" should support that but in many cases they don't.

Are we talking concessions run on public land like rafting, canoeing, food stands, etc?

Yes profits are made but why would our government be against that?  We are a nation of capitalists after all, right?

Anyone that denies that commercialism in many, many forms is all over our public land today is denying reality.   The real question is what we allow and how we regulate it.  And that's my answer, I'm in favor of it as long as the environmental impact is minimized.

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Post by NigelUno on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 9:41

LooseGoose wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:


Are you in favor of that?
Goose?

As with many things it's not as simple as yes/no.   First I think the National Monument set asides have gotten out of control.   There needs to be much more local input rather than Presidential decree alone.

Now the "more opportunities for profit" - the article never really gets into them.  

Are they only referring to drilling and mining?  Or is logging included?  

We need more logging which enviros killed off.   Want to reduce the fire danger?  Science tells you to thin the stands of trees.  The "party of science" should support that but in many cases they don't.

Are we talking concessions run on public land like rafting, canoeing, food stands, etc?

Yes profits are made but why would our government be against that?  We are a nation of capitalists after all, right?

Anyone that denies that commercialism in many, many forms is all over our public land today is denying reality.   The real question is what we allow and how we regulate it.  And that's my answer, I'm in favor of it as long as the environmental impact is minimized.

I didn't see anything in the article about opening up wilderness for some food trucks. Maybe I just missed it.
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Post by LooseGoose on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 10:49

NigelUno wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

As with many things it's not as simple as yes/no.   First I think the National Monument set asides have gotten out of control.   There needs to be much more local input rather than Presidential decree alone.

Now the "more opportunities for profit" - the article never really gets into them.  

Are they only referring to drilling and mining?  Or is logging included?  

We need more logging which enviros killed off.   Want to reduce the fire danger?  Science tells you to thin the stands of trees.  The "party of science" should support that but in many cases they don't.

Are we talking concessions run on public land like rafting, canoeing, food stands, etc?

Yes profits are made but why would our government be against that?  We are a nation of capitalists after all, right?

Anyone that denies that commercialism in many, many forms is all over our public land today is denying reality.   The real question is what we allow and how we regulate it.  And that's my answer, I'm in favor of it as long as the environmental impact is minimized.

I didn't see anything in the article about opening up wilderness for some food trucks. Maybe I just missed it.

I'm sorry you're so dense.

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Post by Rocinante on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 11:08

The opportunity for profit is OIL BABY! That's who's been pushing the review of the monument designations. What, you thought it was citizens?


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Post by NigelUno on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 11:17

LooseGoose wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I didn't see anything in the article about opening up wilderness for some food trucks. Maybe I just missed it.

I'm sorry you're so dense.

So, you think Trump is going to open up land for rafting and canoeing?

And build some concession stands?

That's what you're going to run with as a way to deflect?



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Post by LooseGoose on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 11:25

Rocinante wrote:The opportunity for profit is OIL BABY! That's who's been pushing the review of the monument designations. What, you thought it was citizens?


It's not all oil. and yes, I've seen citizens that had nothing to do with oil be upset over the overreaching monument designations.


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Post by NigelUno on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 11:32

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:The opportunity for profit is OIL BABY! That's who's been pushing the review of the monument designations. What, you thought it was citizens?


It's not all oil. and yes, I've seen citizens that had nothing to do with oil be upset over the overreaching monument designations.


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Post by Rocinante on Tue 8 Aug 2017 - 14:20

It's oil.

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Post by GRR Spartan on Sat 12 Aug 2017 - 20:14

Scott Pruitt is so sure of his agenda he's administering much of the EPA shrouded in secrecy, in closed meetings where attendees are required to check their cell phones at the door and like Betsy DeVos is using an armed security detail.

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