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Post by InTenSity on 2017-11-05, 23:13

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed 27 individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Sunday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Kansas resident Britt Mulvanos, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by NigelUno on 2017-11-05, 23:36

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kingstonlake wrote:Definitely a nice weapon for "personal" protection.

Illegally owned. He was confronted and stopped by a legal gun owner.

It still amazes me how many people think passing more laws will stop people that obey no laws. This from supposedly educated, logical people.

I thought you were for making bump stocks illegal.

Have you changed your mind?
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Rocinante on 2017-11-06, 00:56

Can you point me to your proof that it was an illegal weapon? Or that he was not legally allowed to own guns?

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Rocinante on 2017-11-06, 01:23

You know what never mind because Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by DWags on 2017-11-06, 02:42

Waiting for the president to call him an animal. Check back.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 05:50

Awaiting the sexual predator to announce a ban of doughy, fat white people in response to the latest terror attack.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by NigelUno on 2017-11-06, 07:28

LooseGoose wrote:If this is true he was breaking laws the minute he picked a gun up....yet somehow people convince themselves that 5 more laws would have somehow deterred him.   There's no logic in that whatsoever.  

Nick Short  Verified account @PoliticalShort  35m35 minutes ago
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Church shooter is a former U.S. Air Force member, received a dishonorable discharge & was court martialed in May2014



The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm including Title II Firearms (a Silencer, SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machine Gun)

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html

OK. Goose. Let's see if you can have an honest discussion and not run and hide.

IF it was illegal for him to own a gun (which was your premise), and it appears he bought the gun at Academy...don't we need tougher gun laws/background checks?

Thanks in advance for responding.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by kingstonlake on 2017-11-06, 07:34

Here's a law that makes sense (except to gun worshippers). Make a person break a law, to break a law. At least there's the chance that they will get caught breaking the first law before they get a chance to break the next one.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-11-06, 07:50

All that is required to buy a rifle or shotgun in Texas is a valid photo ID (Driver’s license) be 18 or older and be a resident of Texas. That includes felons who have served their sentences because it’s a Texan’s right to protect their home.

It’s illegal for a felon to purchase a handgun in Texas but the shooter used what is classified as a rifle.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by kingstonlake on 2017-11-06, 07:55

GRR Spartan wrote:All that is required to buy a rifle or shotgun in Texas is a valid photo ID (Driver’s license) be 18 or older and be a resident of Texas.  That includes felons who have served their sentences because it’s a Texan’s right to protect their home.

It’s illegal for a felon to purchase a handgun in Texas but the shooter used what is classified as a rifle.

The NRA is currently formulating a response to this issue as to how it is imperative this law stay intact to protect the rights of hunters everywhere. Please donate.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 07:59

the racist, bigoted sexual predator isn't blaming guns.. but mental health.

apparently it's only a mental health issue when a terror attack is perpetrated by a white guy.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by NigelUno on 2017-11-06, 08:03

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the racist, bigoted sexual predator isn't blaming guns.. but mental health.

apparently it's only a mental health issue when a terror attack is perpetrated by a white guy.


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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 08:04

NigelUno wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the racist, bigoted sexual predator isn't blaming guns.. but mental health.

apparently it's only a mental health issue when a terror attack is perpetrated by a white guy.


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isn't it fun when right wing nuts try to shut down discussion by pretending to care about the victims?
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by DWags on 2017-11-06, 08:18

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the racist, bigoted sexual predator isn't blaming guns.. but mental health.

apparently it's only a mental health issue when a terror attack is perpetrated by a white guy.



So my eldest came home with her boyfriend and some teammates yesterday because all the kids including her sister are going to see somebody called Kodak Black last night in Royal Oak.  Wife and I were feeding them dinner and we had the t.v. on in the kitchen while preparing.  Anyway, one of the kids is in the kitchen and says to me, "Ever notice how he describes terror attacks differently, depending on who perpetrated them?".  I was a bit taken back, perhaps these college kids pay attention to things other than Rama at the Riv and the specials at Ricks.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 08:22

the patriotic "pro-life" Governor of Texas tweeted this a while back:

Greg Abbott‏Verified account @GregAbbott_TX

I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA

then, last night.. a tweeted out some prayers..

Greg Abbott‏Verified account @GregAbbott_TX

Greg Abbott

Our prayers are with all who were harmed by this evil act. Our thanks to law enforcement for their response. More details from DPS soon.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 08:25

DWags wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the racist, bigoted sexual predator isn't blaming guns.. but mental health.

apparently it's only a mental health issue when a terror attack is perpetrated by a white guy.



So my eldest came home with her boyfriend and some teammates yesterday because all the kids including her sister are going to see somebody called Kodak Black last night in Royal Oak.  Wife and I were feeding them dinner and we had the t.v. on in the kitchen while preparing.  Anyway, one of the kids is in the kitchen and says to me, "Ever notice how he describes terror attacks differently, depending on who perpetrated them?".  I was a bit taken back, perhaps these college kids pay attention to things other than Rama at the Riv and the specials at Ricks.
it's refreshing to see kids engaged (I use the word "kids" respectfully).

I think the fact that they grew up in a time where people have always been manipulated by the "news" and social media possibly makes their judgment a bit more keen and they are able to discern words and actions more mindfully.

That's my hope, anyway - we're going to need this generation of our kids to save us.
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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-11-06, 08:40

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the patriotic "pro-life" Governor of Texas tweeted this a while back:

Greg Abbott‏Verified account @GregAbbott_TX

I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA

then, last night.. a tweeted out some prayers..

Greg Abbott‏Verified account @GregAbbott_TX

Greg Abbott

Our prayers are with all who were harmed by this evil act. Our thanks to law enforcement for their response. More details from DPS soon.

Good to see you mocking those damned Christians. Will anticipate your doing so with Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by DWags on 2017-11-06, 09:05

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the patriotic "pro-life" Governor of Texas tweeted this a while back:



then, last night.. a tweeted out some prayers..  



Good to see you mocking those damned Christians.   Will anticipate your doing so with Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus.

The people committing these crimes are as christian as a deranged lunatic getting into a truck and running over 8 cyclists is a muslim.   

They aren't.  It's mental illness.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 09:13

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the patriotic "pro-life" Governor of Texas tweeted this a while back:



then, last night.. a tweeted out some prayers..


Good to see you mocking those damned Christians. Will anticipate your doing so with Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus.
not sure how many times I have to say it:

in my estimation, people of all religions are equally as disturbed.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 09:48

thoughts, prayers and flags at half-mast..

that'll help, right??

Governor Greg Abbott today ordered Texas flags across the state to be lowered to half-staff in honor of those lost in the horrific shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas today. Flags should remain at half-mast through Thursday, November 9, 2017.

"There are no words to describe the pure evil that we witnessed in Sutherland Springs today," said Governor Abbott. "Our hearts are heavy at the anguish in this small town, but in time of tragedy, we see the very best of Texas. May God comfort those who've lost a loved one, and may God heal the hurt in our communities."

so take THAT, terrorists.. we respond to your acts of violence with thoughts, prayers, and the lowering of flags.

unless you're brown, of course. Then we get serious.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 09:55

apparently snowflake Propaganda Barbie is sad about the mean 'ol left politicizing tragedy..

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it's so sad when people are upset about white people murdering folks.


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Post by Rocinante on 2017-11-06, 09:55

He was not dishonorably discharged, he was bad conduct discharged which is different. I don’t know how that plays for assault style rifle purchases, but there you are.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by steveschneider on 2017-11-06, 10:17

Last night I wished upon a star that gun violence will stop in this country.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by NigelUno on 2017-11-06, 10:19

Robert J Sakimano wrote:apparently snowflake Propaganda Barbie is sad about the mean 'ol left politicizing tragedy..

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it's so sad when people are upset about white people murdering folks.



So, no Chuck Schumer references?
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 10:20

steveschneider wrote:Last night I wished upon a star that gun violence will stop in this country.
probably more effective than 'thoughts and prayers'.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2017-11-06, 10:31

kingstonlake wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Looks like the standard NRA member to me...


Hard to tell if he was an NRA member or just enabled by their lobby, Goose.

Just so we’re clear this is all fake news.

I know everyone is in a rush for the shooting to back up their political views but next time please please please be responsible about the information you’re sharing. If you hear 15 minutes later that the shooter was in antifa or the Kkk use your head and say “how would police even know that yet much less this asshole on Twitter?”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansari/fake-news-about-the-texas-church-shooting

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 10:34

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Hard to tell if he was an NRA member or just enabled by their lobby, Goose.

Just so we’re clear this is all fake news.

I know everyone is in a rush for the shooting to back up their political views but next time please please please be responsible about the information you’re sharing. If you hear 15 minutes later that the shooter was in antifa or the Kkk use your head and say “how would police even know that yet much less this asshole on Twitter?”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansari/fake-news-about-the-texas-church-shooting
what's not 'fake news' is that this sexual predator blames the terror attack on mental health issues and doesn't include a critique of gun violence.. and his deplorable spokespeople attempt to squash public comment by pretending to respect the victims.. forgetting that last week, they were critical of a terror attack before the engine of the Home Depot truck had even cooled down.
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Post by NigelUno on 2017-11-06, 10:37

Goose's twitter must blow up after this shit happens.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 11:26

while the sexual predator blames mental health for the latest terror attack, seems like he doesn't mind mentally ill people purchasing firearms..

Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms.

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Sexual Predator Overturns a Mental Health Regulation on Gun Purchases
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-06, 11:51

here's a link to snowflake Propaganda Barbie whining about mean people saying mean things..

"The rush to judgment, particularly by people who just see politics and Trump derangement in every single thing they do, it doesn't help the victims, and it's disrespectful to the dead," Conway said during an appearance on "Fox & Friends" Monday morning.

"There is evil among us," she said.

actually, the sexual predator is in Asia, but we know what you mean..

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Post by tGreenWay on 2017-11-06, 16:34

The hypocrite Ted Cruz rebuked a reporter's question about gun control because now is not the time to be political, then in the next breath praised the man who responded to the shooting by picking up his own AR to take down the mass murderer and God knows how many lives he saved by doing that.

That guy is a world class phony, and, if there is a Hell, when he's called home by his Maker, he will no doubt be residing within the fiery gates of Satan's lair, going crazy listening to Bee hunting and pecking "rofl" for all Eternity.

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Post by Rocinante on 2017-11-06, 16:58

Pretty sure the other guy had a hunting rifle.

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Post by steveschneider on 2017-11-06, 17:10

I thought the police report said the shooter killed himself?
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Post by steveschneider on 2017-11-06, 17:19

Just googled it, very likely he was shot and then killed himself.
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Post by Rocinante on 2017-11-06, 17:34

At this point, I'm not even sure he was shot. The police statement I heard said he called his father and told him he'd been shot and wasn't sure he'd make it, then he shot himself, but I haven't heard that he actually was shot. Small details I guess, but they could become important when certain groups try to glorify certain things about certain people.

Anyway.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2017-11-06, 17:37

Now we know why the Federal background check failed.

NPR‏Verified account @NPR 36m36 minutes ago

NPR's @TBowmanNPR reports Kelley was able to purchase firearms because @usairforce failed to enter assault conviction in federal database.

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 2017-11-06, 17:40

You owe the board an apology for trying to peddle fake bullshit from infowars type sources goose. If you don’t want to apologize for fucking up then honestly just stay away from the thread.

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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Turtleneck on 2017-11-06, 18:20

1) People are not deterred by laws. If they want to commit a crime, they will find a way regardless of the law. Additional laws are useless. Does that mean women will not be deterred by abortion laws, that they will find a way to have an abortion regardless of the law, and that additional abortion laws are useless?

2) People are not deterred by laws. If they want to commit a crime, they will find a way regardless of the law. Remind us again about the legal status of automatic weapons in the U.S., and then remind us again about how many people have been murdered by automatic weapons?
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2017-11-06, 18:21

Turtleneck wrote:1) People are not deterred by laws. If they want to commit a crime, they will find a way regardless of the law. Additional laws are useless. Does that mean women will not be deterred by abortion laws, that they will find a way to have an abortion regardless of the law, and that additional abortion laws are useless?

2) People are not deterred by laws. If they want to commit a crime, they will find a way regardless of the law. Remind us again about the legal status of automatic weapons in the U.S., and then remind us again about how many people have been murdered by automatic weapons?

Lol. You will not get a response.
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Re: Looks like another mass shooting

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2017-11-07, 06:20

So a good guy killed a bad guy with a gun? Yay NRA!!!!

Oh, wait.. so the bad guy killed 26 people first?

Oh wait.. so the good guy with a gun didn't actually kill the bad guy with a gun, after all?

Ummm.. thoughts and prayers.
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