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Post by I.B. Fine on 1/12/2018, 2:44 pm

Rocinante wrote:And anyway, is it the fault of an immigrant just looking for a better life? Or is it the fault of the guy willing to hire him?  Or Walmart, which sets produce prices so ridiculously low that the farmer has little choice BUT to hire him?  Or us, who demand our produce be so cheap?
I take it you did not major in Econ at State. Walmart does not set prices lower than they can obtain product.


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Post by Cameron on 1/12/2018, 2:46 pm

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That’s all we’ll and good, but that’s not what our president said, is it.
No he didn't say it but that's where his immigration policies are coming from. And the big beautiful wall is the largest symbol of those policies. And if he doesn't deliver on those promises he's toast and he knows it. His comments (as crude as they may be) are to let his voters know that he won't be selling them out.

Now if the Dems were smart (and they're not) they'd give trump his wall in exchange for all the other goodies on their immigrant wishlist. And trump would take that Deal. But the Dems are not smart and they are going to #resist themselves into another disappointing midterm election cycle.

Two things:

1) I don't necessarily think Trump is toast if he fails to deliver on his immigration policy promises. I almost think it's better for him if very little changes and then he can just point his finger at the Democrats and continue to make comments that stoke his base's xenophobia.

2) I can scarcely fathom a situation in which I would agree that giving Trump his wall is a smart plan. The wall is an absolutely terrible idea and an obscene waste of resources. Even if Trump were to say "give me my wall, and I'll cave on everything else immigration related," I would tell him to eat a dick.
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Post by I.B. Fine on 1/12/2018, 2:51 pm

Cameron wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:
No he didn't say it but that's where his immigration policies are coming from. And the big beautiful wall is the largest symbol of those policies. And if he doesn't deliver on those promises he's toast and he knows it. His comments (as crude as they may be) are to let his voters know that he won't be selling them out.

Now if the Dems were smart (and they're not) they'd give trump his wall in exchange for all the other goodies on their immigrant wishlist. And trump would take that Deal. But the Dems are not smart and they are going to #resist themselves into another disappointing midterm election cycle.

Two things:

1) I don't necessarily think Trump is toast if he fails to deliver on his immigration policy promises. I almost think it's better for him if very little changes and then he can just point his finger at the Democrats and continue to make comments that stoke his base's xenophobia.

2) I can scarcely fathom a situation in which I would agree that giving Trump his wall is a smart plan. The wall is an absolutely terrible idea and an obscene waste of resources. Even if Trump were to say "give me my wall, and I'll cave on everything else immigration related," I would tell him to eat a dick.
I have suspected all along the 'Big beautiful wall' would always be more symbolism than substance. You're starting to see comments from Trump hinting that the wall doesn't need to be non stop along the whole border.

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Post by Rocinante on 1/12/2018, 2:55 pm

I.B. Fine wrote:
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So 30K a year and paying taxes is not enough.  SO what is a good wage for a farm worker full time in California?
You are missing the point, I'm saying there are an ample supply of workers willing to go to California from whatever paradise on earth they now live in because $30,000 a year is more money than they can dream of.
As long as they have the ability to do that(Sanctuary state), there is no reason to raise wages just because someone is, in fact, a US citizen and wages will stay low.
Limit the access of these illegal immigrant workers and wages will rise to attract the needed legal workers.

Where do you get this information?? There are plenty of workers?? Why do you think wages for farm workers have grown 13% in 5 years, which is twice as fast as average for the state? It's true that there are a lot of Mexicans (the vast majority LEGAL by the way) picking produce, but how exactly is that "driving down wages" as Strangelove says, when as I've just demonstrated, wages are growing at least 2 times faster than the state average?

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/12/2018, 2:56 pm

I.B. Fine wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Two things:

1) I don't necessarily think Trump is toast if he fails to deliver on his immigration policy promises. I almost think it's better for him if very little changes and then he can just point his finger at the Democrats and continue to make comments that stoke his base's xenophobia.

2) I can scarcely fathom a situation in which I would agree that giving Trump his wall is a smart plan. The wall is an absolutely terrible idea and an obscene waste of resources. Even if Trump were to say "give me my wall, and I'll cave on everything else immigration related," I would tell him to eat a dick.
I have suspected all along the 'Big beautiful wall' would always be more symbolism than substance. You're starting to see comments from Trump hinting that the wall doesn't need to be non stop along the whole border.
Starting to see hinting subtly by saying things like “the wall doesn’t need to be non stop along the whole border.”

He found out there may be a river involved

You’re quite the jr scooby sleuth



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Post by Rocinante on 1/12/2018, 2:56 pm

I.B. Fine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:And anyway, is it the fault of an immigrant just looking for a better life? Or is it the fault of the guy willing to hire him?  Or Walmart, which sets produce prices so ridiculously low that the farmer has little choice BUT to hire him?  Or us, who demand our produce be so cheap?
I take it you did not major in Econ at State. Walmart does not set prices lower than they can obtain product.

Don't be deliberately ignorant. Walmart buys in quantity and can (and does) absolutely dictate price to a large degree.

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Post by LooseGoose on 1/12/2018, 3:12 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Lol well that’s one to write in the book of hilariously stupid takes. Good job Strangelove.

Trump and that racist Durbin....It's all good until Trump uses the term. He tries to negotiate, gets praised for looking Presidential while doing it.....and now this shit....it's almost as if the Dems had bad intentions all along.

1/12/2018 Dick Durbin calls Trump's use of the term "Chain Migration" racist and offensive.

9/14/2010 Dick Durbin using the term "chain migration" on the floor of the Senate.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4706592/durbin-chain-migration

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Post by DWags on 1/12/2018, 3:12 pm

If I'm guaranteed to sell 15 bushels of apples at 4 dollars apiece, and other buyers are only going to buy 5 of my bushels for 6 dollars apiece, I know what I'm taking in the buying and selling of fruit. My apples rotting due to lack of sales does nothing for me. It's why Walmart can indeed set prices. So big, can't fail? not quite, but you get the picture.

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Post by Rocinante on 1/12/2018, 3:13 pm

Dick Durban is an idiot. That doesn't mean Trump isn't a racist.

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/12/2018, 3:14 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Lol well that’s one to write in the book of hilariously stupid takes. Good job Strangelove.

Trump and that racist Durbin....It's all good until Trump uses the term.   He tries to negotiate, gets praised for looking Presidential while doing it.....and now this shit....it's almost as if the Dems had bad intentions all along.

1/12/2018 Dick Durbin calls Trump's use of the term "Chain Migration" racist and offensive.  

9/14/2010 Dick Durbin using the term "chain migration" on the floor of the Senate.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4706592/durbin-chain-migration

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Post by GRR Spartan on 1/12/2018, 6:36 pm

Always count on at least one poster to come to the aid and got to the What Aboutism playbook.

Yet not a peep about Trump blaming the Obama administration for moving the US embassy from the toney Mayfair area to a new location south of the Thames by the Bush2 administration. The new location was chosen for security reasons.

But our shit for brains pussy grabber President spews more outright lies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/12/as-usual-hes-dead-wrong-former-u-s-ambassadors-explain-london-embassy-move-after-trump-criticism/

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Post by LooseGoose on 1/12/2018, 9:01 pm

Amazing how we can call their people "wretched refuse" and no one raises a stink.....but call their countries a shithole and the world just blew up. A world full of fucking nancies all looking for the next offense.

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 1/12/2018, 9:24 pm

LooseGoose wrote:Amazing how we can call their people "wretched refuse" and no one raises a stink.....but call their countries a shithole and the world just blew up. A world full of fucking nancies all looking for the next offense.

Who's the guy on the bad team that got your panties in a bunch this time Nancy Drew?
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Post by DWags on 1/12/2018, 9:24 pm

LooseGoose wrote:Amazing how we can call their people "wretched refuse" and no one raises a stink.....but call their countries a shithole and the world just blew up. A world full of fucking nancies all looking for the next offense.

Goose, please. One sentence we’re asking them
To give us their wretched refuse, the other sentence we’re saying keep your shithole mother fuckers.

Please tell me you see a difference.

Please.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 1/13/2018, 7:28 am

LooseGoose wrote:Now maybe Jake Tapper is covering for Trump.

Not that anyone would have twisted what was said......that's never happened before.

CNN: Maybe Trump Didn’t Actually Say What We’ve Been Saying He Said
Goose rockin' some mainstream media links.

Thanks man - you'd almost think they were directly responsible for getting a racist, bigoted sexual predator elected just for the ratings.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 1/13/2018, 7:38 am

I'm still shocked to learn that the racist bigoted sexual predator says racist bigoted things and his racist bigoted deplorable supporters support it.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 1/13/2018, 7:41 am

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Amazing how we can call their people "wretched refuse" and no one raises a stink.....but call their countries a shithole and the world just blew up. A world full of fucking nancies all looking for the next offense.

Goose, please. One sentence we’re asking them
To give us their wretched refuse, the other sentence we’re saying keep your shithole mother fuckers.

Please tell me you see a difference.

Please.
it's shocking to see Goose defending the race, bigoted sexual predator.

I mean, he's never done that before.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove on 1/13/2018, 9:17 am

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Amazing how we can call their people "wretched refuse" and no one raises a stink.....but call their countries a shithole and the world just blew up. A world full of fucking nancies all looking for the next offense.

Goose, please. One sentence we’re asking them
To give us their wretched refuse, the other sentence we’re saying keep your shithole mother fuckers.

Please tell me you see a difference.

Please.
Just because a 19th century socialist wrote a poem that for whatever reason they stuck on the base of the Statue of Liberty 20 years after she died doesn't mean that we should use that as the basis for our 21st century immigration policies.

We don't need millions of people from shithole countries coming here we have enough of shitholeans (both domestic and imported) already.

We've been on a 50 year binge and need to sober up for a generation.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 1/13/2018, 10:03 am

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
DWags wrote:

Goose, please. One sentence we’re asking them
To give us their wretched refuse, the other sentence we’re saying keep your shithole mother fuckers.

Please tell me you see a difference.

Please.
Just because a 19th century socialist wrote a poem that for whatever reason they stuck on the base of the Statue of Liberty 20 years after she died doesn't mean that we should use that as the basis for our 21st century immigration policies.

We don't need millions of people from shithole countries coming here we have enough of shitholeans (both domestic and imported) already.

We've been on a 50 year binge and need to sober up for a generation.

So you hate what this country was founded for. Good to know.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove on 1/13/2018, 10:06 am

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Just because a 19th century socialist wrote a poem that for whatever reason they stuck on the base of the Statue of Liberty 20 years after she died doesn't mean that we should use that as the basis for our 21st century immigration policies.

We don't need millions of people from shithole countries coming here we have enough of shitholeans (both domestic and imported) already.

We've been on a 50 year binge and need to sober up for a generation.

So you hate what this country was founded for. Good to know.
Stop being simplistic - the need to absorb and digest an unprecedented wave of immigration is necessary.

So you're saying we should just anyone?
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 1/13/2018, 12:49 pm

Still trying to get over the fact that republicans are racist bigots.

I mean, I've never noticed that before.
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Post by DWags on 1/13/2018, 1:08 pm

Bob are you at the game?

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 1/13/2018, 1:18 pm

DWags wrote:Bob are you at the game?
no, I wish. Was just downtown at Charlie Kang, though.

Now at home with a cat sleeping on me. About to take a nap myself.

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Post by Rocinante on 1/13/2018, 1:25 pm

Yes, I think we should take anyone as long as heir intent it to build a life here and not to hurt Americans. That should be the only test.

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Post by I.B. Fine on 1/13/2018, 3:49 pm

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

So you hate what this country was founded for. Good to know.
Stop being simplistic - the need to absorb and digest an unprecedented wave of immigration is necessary.

So you're saying we should just anyone?
We need at least a few years, maybe 5 or so, to absorb what we have, sort of like 30's, 40's & 50's (minus the World War)

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/13/2018, 3:56 pm

You um... you like... cough... are aware that that’s from 2006 yeah?

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Post by Turtleneck on 1/13/2018, 4:01 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:You um... you like... cough... are aware that that’s from 2006 yeah?

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table1


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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/13/2018, 4:04 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:You um... you like... cough... are aware that that’s from 2006 yeah?

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table1

Better.

Still don’t understand the problem that our resident boomer folks are scared of (lol yes I do)

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Post by GRR Spartan on 1/13/2018, 4:36 pm

Based on the pussy grabber's proposed budget we'll be needing to import a lot more foreign educated professionals.

10% cut in Federal spending on IT research projects like facial recognition where the US still leads while China is increasing its spending by 15%. That gives them a 25% jump in funding.

What can go wrong.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/13/2018, 6:50 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Based on the pussy grabber's proposed budget we'll be needing to import a lot more foreign educated professionals.

10% cut in Federal spending on IT research projects like facial recognition where the US still leads while China is increasing its spending by 15%.  That gives them a 25% jump in funding.

What can go wrong.
That’s some really solid math grr. I checked with the boys in the lab and that is DEFINITELY how math works.

On a side note this is why making everyone go in the military is a really super stupid idea

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Post by GRR Spartan on 1/13/2018, 10:42 pm

So the US reduces its spending by 10% and our trading partner with whom is working to be the technology leader by 15% isn’t at least a 25% budget difference. According to China watchers their spending on technology research was already more than the US and they are increasing it.

I understand your life has been and always will be more important than those of the folks who enlist because they need the job and need help paying for education.

Somebody has to sacrifice Travis and if all the folks who voted for Trump or Bush2 would have had their kids in uniform you think we’d had a decades long presence in Iraq or the current saber rattling woofin’about the size of buttons?

I don’t insult you Travis but you seem to live in a world where you think there is an altruistic being that creates all kinds of technology for nothing. Here’s a hint, it’s Federal Government funding and Trumps proposed cuts and China’s aggressive move to fill the void is going to having the US looking at the ass of China as the lead dog.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/14/2018, 12:11 am

GRR Spartan wrote:So the US reduces its spending by 10% and our trading partner with whom is working to be the technology leader by 15% isn’t at least a 25% budget difference. 
Whoa whoa whoa big guy. I’m gonna slow you down right there.

Yes. That is correct. That is not a 25% budget difference without more context. Let me give you an example.

I spend 1,000,000 dollars. I reduce spending by 10% so now I spend 900,000 dollars. You spend 1 dollar. You increase spending by 15% so now you spend $1.15. I went from spending $999,999 more than you to spending $898,998.85 more than you. That is not a 25% gain. You can’t just add the two percentages together and come up with a grand total like that. That’s not how it works.

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 1/14/2018, 2:54 am

This is why I come to this board, for the math.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/14/2018, 8:13 am

Perhaps if we did math more often we wouldn’t make egregious mistakes. Thank you friends, I will ensure we do math more often.

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Post by GRR Spartan on 1/14/2018, 2:48 pm

Travis, here’s a little light reading on Trump’s effort to pull out of world leadership in multiple areas.

At best it’s disturbing. I think it’s terrifying.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/08/making-china-great-again
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Re: Our shithole leader acting very presidential again

Post by Travis of the Cosmos on 1/14/2018, 3:45 pm

Thanks but I’m not disagreeing with you on that just so we’re clear. I’m a bit of a stickler for numbers. Sorry for jumping on you about it. :(

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Re: Our shithole leader acting very presidential again

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 1/14/2018, 4:19 pm

I'm getting bored with this latest idiotic controversy. Isn't it about time for the dotard to tweet something stupid at North Korea again?
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