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LooseGoose wrote:While you're busy chuckling about the MaxBoot photoshop you can talk some more about Cohen being in Prague....

MICHAEL COHEN REPORT IS BASED ON THIRD-HAND INFORMATION, REPORTER REVEALS

The reporters who broke a potentially bombshell story claiming evidence that Michael Cohen visited Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign did not see for themselves some of the underlying intelligence cited in their report, one of the journalists who wrote the story revealed Thursday.

In an interview on MSNBC, Greg Gordon said that he and his McClatchy colleague, Peter Stone, did not physically see cell tower records and intelligence intercepts that they claim placed Cohen in Prague in summer 2016.

Gordon also suggested that the four anonymous sources he and Stone cite in their article also did not see the intelligence for themselves, meaning that the report is based on third-hand information.

“Is there anything that you were able to physically see for yourselves?” MSNBC host Joy Reid asked Gordon.


“I wish we had. We held out for a while for that, and it came a time when we thought we had a critical mass. It is a competitive business,” Gordon said.

“Some of the sources have government sources, and some of the sources are people who have told us that they have trusted intelligence-type sources that they get information from. We don’t know the specifics, but we have used these sources on many subjects, and they have been very accurate,” Gordon added.

When asked if he has seen the intercepts, Gordon responded, “No.”

In other words.....bullshit.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:While you're busy chuckling about the MaxBoot photoshop you can talk some more about Cohen being in Prague....

MICHAEL COHEN REPORT IS BASED ON THIRD-HAND INFORMATION, REPORTER REVEALS




In other words.....bullshit.

thanks for the mainstream media link.

LooseGoose wrote:While you're busy chuckling about the MaxBoot photoshop you can talk some more about Cohen being in Prague....

MICHAEL COHEN REPORT IS BASED ON THIRD-HAND INFORMATION, REPORTER REVEALS

The reporters who broke a potentially bombshell story claiming evidence that Michael Cohen visited Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign did not see for themselves some of the underlying intelligence cited in their report, one of the journalists who wrote the story revealed Thursday.

In an interview on MSNBC, Greg Gordon said that he and his McClatchy colleague, Peter Stone, did not physically see cell tower records and intelligence intercepts that they claim placed Cohen in Prague in summer 2016.

Gordon also suggested that the four anonymous sources he and Stone cite in their article also did not see the intelligence for themselves, meaning that the report is based on third-hand information.

“Is there anything that you were able to physically see for yourselves?” MSNBC host Joy Reid asked Gordon.


“I wish we had. We held out for a while for that, and it came a time when we thought we had a critical mass. It is a competitive business,” Gordon said.

“Some of the sources have government sources, and some of the sources are people who have told us that they have trusted intelligence-type sources that they get information from. We don’t know the specifics, but we have used these sources on many subjects, and they have been very accurate,” Gordon added.

When asked if he has seen the intercepts, Gordon responded, “No.”

In other words.....bullshit.

Turtleneck wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: thanks for the mainstream media link.

That is not mainstream media, Bob. It's even worse.

A former Russian intelligence officer pressured Paul Manafort into paying debts to a Russian oligarch, Time magazine reported Saturday.

Victor Boyarkin told Time that he had connections to Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman, during the 2016 election on behalf of a Russian oligarch.

"He owed us a lot of money," he said. "And he was offering ways to pay it back."

Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff, an early public conduit for Christopher Steele’s anti-Trump dossier, now says the former British spy’s sensational Russia collusion charges lack apparent evidence and are “likely false.”

LooseGoose wrote:Heartbreak.

Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff, an early public conduit for Christopher Steele’s anti-Trump dossier, now says the former British spy’s sensational Russia collusion charges lack apparent evidence and are “likely false.”

LooseGoose wrote:Heartbreak.

Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff, an early public conduit for Christopher Steele’s anti-Trump dossier, now says the former British spy’s sensational Russia collusion charges lack apparent evidence and are “likely false.”

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Heartbreak.

Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

   Smells awfully collussiony 

Manafort shared internal polling data with Kalimnik

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
   Smells awfully collussiony 

Manafort shared internal polling data with Kalimnik

I'm trying to think of non-collusiony circumstances where the data might be shared with our Russian overlords, and so far I'm embarrassed to say that I'm drawing a blank.

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

I'm trying to think of non-collusiony circumstances where the data might be shared with our Russian overlords, and so far I'm embarrassed to say that I'm drawing a blank.

Isn't this where Trump walks out of the White house, yells back at the news people, and says "I don't really know Manafort.. I barely ever talked to him, I think he briefly worked for the campaign, but if he did, I always thought he was weak and not very good."

The White House has beefed up its legal team in recent weeks, hiring 17 additional lawyers to help prevent the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator discussions with top advisers from being obtained House Democrats or revealed to special counsel Robert Mueller, The Washington Post reported.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

DWags wrote:

Isn't this where Trump walks out of the White house, yells back at the news people, and says "I don't really know Manafort.. I barely ever talked to him, I think he briefly worked for the campaign, but if he did, I always thought he was weak and not very good."

Rudy Giuliani says President Trump's legal team should be allowed to "correct" special counsel Robert Mueller's final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.

"As a matter of fairness, they should show it to you - so we can correct it if they're wrong," said the former New York City mayor, who is a member of Trump's personal legal team. "They're not God, after all. They could be wrong."

kingstonlake wrote:It's official. Trump hired a senile lawyer.

Rudy Giuliani says President Trump's legal team should be allowed to "correct" special counsel Robert Mueller's final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.

"As a matter of fairness, they should show it to you - so we can correct it if they're wrong," said the former New York City mayor, who is a member of Trump's personal legal team. "They're not God, after all. They could be wrong."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-%E2%80%98correct%E2%80%99-final-mueller-report-says-giuliani/ar-BBS6KS0?li=BBnb7Kz

kingstonlake wrote:It's official. Trump hired a senile lawyer.

Rudy Giuliani says President Trump's legal team should be allowed to "correct" special counsel Robert Mueller's final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.

"As a matter of fairness, they should show it to you - so we can correct it if they're wrong," said the former New York City mayor, who is a member of Trump's personal legal team. "They're not God, after all. They could be wrong."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-%E2%80%98correct%E2%80%99-final-mueller-report-says-giuliani/ar-BBS6KS0?li=BBnb7Kz

Floyd Robertson wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:It's official. Trump hired a senile lawyer.





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-%E2%80%98correct%E2%80%99-final-mueller-report-says-giuliani/ar-BBS6KS0?li=BBnb7Kz

I should have been able correct my report cards before the school gave them to my parents.

You hear people say it again and again: Just wait for Robert Mueller’s final report. But they’re overlooking one distinct possibility: There may not be a Mueller report. Or at least not the kind of fulsome, tell-all report they have in mind.

Democrats on the Hill, cable television pundits and analysts, social media influentials, voters, your cousin. They’re all talking about—and hyping—this supposed moment of truth, when the special counsel will reveal all that he and his team have discovered about Moscow’s attack on the 2016 election and interactions between the Trump crew and Russia. Even Trump’s camp has promoted the notion that a dramatic climax in written form is approaching. Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s lawyer, has repeatedly referred to a Mueller report. And Trump himself has tweeted about a Mueller report, calling it the “Witch Hunt Report,” claiming it will be unfair, and vowing, “We will be doing a major Counter Report to the Mueller Report.”

Here’s the problem with all this speculation and anticipation: Mueller is under no obligation to produce a final report that shares with the public the full breadth of what he has uncovered.

LooseGoose wrote:From noted right wing rag Mother Jones.

The Myth of the Mueller Report

You hear people say it again and again: Just wait for Robert Mueller’s final report. But they’re overlooking one distinct possibility: There may not be a Mueller report. Or at least not the kind of fulsome, tell-all report they have in mind.

Democrats on the Hill, cable television pundits and analysts, social media influentials, voters, your cousin. They’re all talking about—and hyping—this supposed moment of truth, when the special counsel will reveal all that he and his team have discovered about Moscow’s attack on the 2016 election and interactions between the Trump crew and Russia. Even Trump’s camp has promoted the notion that a dramatic climax in written form is approaching. Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s lawyer, has repeatedly referred to a Mueller report. And Trump himself has tweeted about a Mueller report, calling it the “Witch Hunt Report,” claiming it will be unfair, and vowing, “We will be doing a major Counter Report to the Mueller Report.”

Here’s the problem with all this speculation and anticipation: Mueller is under no obligation to produce a final report that shares with the public the full breadth of what he has uncovered.

DWags wrote:I'm willing to wait. In all the insanity of the Trump administration, I sitll believe in our system of Government. Not without it's problems, but most of the time we get it right. There will always be the nuts and the whacko's out there. But in the end I believe we'll figure this out. I don't need Mueller's report. If he is the man who I think he is, I believe he's been doing the right thing. Let the chips fall where they may.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:I'm willing to wait. In all the insanity of the Trump administration, I sitll believe in our system of Government. Not without it's problems, but most of the time we get it right. There will always be the nuts and the whacko's out there. But in the end I believe we'll figure this out. I don't need Mueller's report. If he is the man who I think he is, I believe he's been doing the right thing. Let the chips fall where they may.

yeah, I don't need the "Mueller Report" to tell me that ignorant racist, bigoted knuckle-draggin' christians elected an ignorant racist, bigoted knuckle-draggin' christian.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: yeah, I don't need the "Mueller Report" to tell me that ignorant racist, bigoted knuckle-draggin' christians elected an ignorant racist, bigoted knuckle-draggin' christian.

Yeah, I know that part, I'm just thinking, in the end, if some constitutional crisis type shit was done, it will come out. I don't need the details.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:

Yeah, I know that part, I'm just thinking, in the end, if some constitutional crisis type shit was done, it will come out. I don't need the details.

well, of course some constitutional crisis type stuff was done.

problem is, the US Senate won't do anything about it.. because not only do they have an insatiable contempt for America but they, too, are owned by Russia.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: well, of course some constitutional crisis type stuff was done.

problem is, the US Senate won't do anything about it.. because not only do they have an insatiable contempt for America but they, too, are owned by Russia.

Trying to impeach any sitting president has become impossibleto do. We've become so partisan there is no way we'd get enough people from the sitting presidents party to convict. 67% No way.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: well, of course some constitutional crisis type stuff was done.

problem is, the US Senate won't do anything about it.. because not only do they have an insatiable contempt for America but they, too, are owned by Russia.

Trying to impeach any sitting president has become impossibleto do.  We've become so partisan there is no way we'd get enough people from the sitting presidents party to convict.  67% No way.  

Rocinante wrote:Oh there will be a report. But before that tasty dessert, I'd love a few more helpings of indictments, please.