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Post by Guest Tue 1 Jan 2019 - 23:04

This team has squandered so much talent - Middleton, Dinwiddie, Harris, KCP, Morris, Ilyasova, you could count Bridges since we ditched that pick.
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Post by Guest Mon 7 Jan 2019 - 20:02

Spurs come to town - on FSD @ 7pm - I don't see things going well for the Pistons tonight.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Mon 7 Jan 2019 - 21:08

LooseGoose wrote:Spurs come to town - on FSD @ 7pm - I don't see things going well for the Pistons tonight.

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Post by Guest Tue 8 Jan 2019 - 15:27

Blake Griffin doesn't need to be relevant
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Post by steveschneider Tue 8 Jan 2019 - 17:28

I can't believe Casey took this job. Team sucks. He could have held out for a much better gig.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Thu 10 Jan 2019 - 3:05

That may have been the worst performance of the year and that’s saying something
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Post by steveschneider Thu 10 Jan 2019 - 9:19

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:That may have been the worst performance of the year and that’s saying something

I turned it off when I saw Drummond try to take a 3. Good luck with that!
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Post by Guest Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 10:10

Blake Griffin excelling with Detroit Pistons. But was trade worth it?
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Post by aualum06 Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 15:58

LooseGoose wrote:Blake Griffin excelling with Detroit Pistons. But was trade worth it?

Well they suck. So no
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Post by Guest Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 16:07

aualum06 wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Blake Griffin excelling with Detroit Pistons. But was trade worth it?

Well they suck. So no

This isn't revisionist history - I've thought they got fucked from Day1.

Taking on that salary AND paying a huge price to do so was high stupidity. SVG was desperate to keep his job and screwed this franchise for 5-7 years in a futile attempt to win now.

You would think that sports owners would know by now that a single massive salary can cripple your franchise.
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Post by aualum06 Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 16:08

LooseGoose wrote:
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Well they suck. So no

This isn't revisionist history - I've thought they got fucked from Day1.

Taking on that salary AND paying a huge price to do so was high stupidity. SVG was desperate to keep his job and screwed this franchise for 5-7 years in a futile attempt to win now.

You would think that sports owners would know by now that a single massive salary can cripple your franchise.

Well it's only taken baseball owners 25 years to start to figure it out
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Post by aualum06 Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 20:06

Blake drops 44 and ignores the clippers owner. Pistons find a rare win
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aualum06 wrote:Blake drops 44 and ignores the clippers owner. Pistons find a rare win

He must not want to be in the Clippers hall of fame.
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Post by kingstonlake Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 20:22

The biggest anchor contract on that team is Dummonds. A 13 & 13 guy with a max deal? Please. Plus he's soft. It's doesn't excuse the Griffin deal when you already had Drummond's shitty deal on the books, but if ask me Griffin has lived up to his contract more than Drummond.
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Post by aualum06 Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 20:27

kingstonlake wrote:The biggest anchor contract on that team is Dummonds. A 13 & 13 guy with a max deal? Please. Plus he's soft. It's doesn't excuse the Griffin deal when you already had Drummond's shitty deal on the books, but if ask me Griffin has lived up to his contract more than Drummond.

Blake is solid and by far the best thing going for them. They need shooters and I'm also not sure letting Blake play iso ball is really the answer but not surrounded by a lot of scorers
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Post by kingstonlake Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 20:30

aualum06 wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:The biggest anchor contract on that team is Dummonds. A 13 & 13 guy with a max deal? Please. Plus he's soft. It's doesn't excuse the Griffin deal when you already had Drummond's shitty deal on the books, but if ask me Griffin has lived up to his contract more than Drummond.

Blake is solid and by far the best thing going for them. They need shooters and I'm also not sure letting Blake play iso ball is really the answer but not surrounded by a lot of scorers

Spot on. Need shooters.
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Post by aualum06 Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 20:34

kingstonlake wrote:
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Blake is solid and by far the best thing going for them. They need shooters and I'm also not sure letting Blake play iso ball is really the answer but not surrounded by a lot of scorers

Spot on. Need shooters.

Bigs still play but bigs that can score outside three feet play better
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Post by Guest Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 21:29

kingstonlake wrote:
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Blake is solid and by far the best thing going for them. They need shooters and I'm also not sure letting Blake play iso ball is really the answer but not surrounded by a lot of scorers

Spot on. Need shooters.

You mean like Harris? Middleton? Dinwiddie? KCP? Marcus Morris?

Those kind of shooters?

And I won't argue on the Drummond contract - you can add Reggie's too for that matter. My point is sort of that you might be able to dump Andre/Reggie and start over. Instead SVG dumped young talent and the pick that became Miles Bridges for ANOTHER anchor contract. Combining Blake's money with those 2 meant you could really never add to that core.
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Post by kingstonlake Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 21:41

LooseGoose wrote:
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Spot on.  Need shooters.

You mean like Harris?  Middleton?  Dinwiddie?  KCP?  Marcus Morris?  

Those kind of shooters?

And I won't argue on the Drummond contract - you can add Reggie's too for that matter.  My point is sort of that you might be able to dump Andre/Reggie and start over.   Instead SVG dumped young talent and the pick that became Miles Bridges for ANOTHER anchor contract.   Combining Blake's money with those 2 meant you could really never add to that core.

I'll give you Dinwidde
Middleton was long gone before Griffin or SVG
Harris couldn't guard OTPT
Morris over the hill
KCP is still in the league?
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Post by Guest Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 21:49

kingstonlake wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

You mean like Harris?  Middleton?  Dinwiddie?  KCP?  Marcus Morris?  

Those kind of shooters?

And I won't argue on the Drummond contract - you can add Reggie's too for that matter.  My point is sort of that you might be able to dump Andre/Reggie and start over.   Instead SVG dumped young talent and the pick that became Miles Bridges for ANOTHER anchor contract.   Combining Blake's money with those 2 meant you could really never add to that core.

I'll give you Dinwidde
Middleton was long gone before Griffin or SVG
Harris couldn't guard OTPT
Morris over the hill
KCP is still in the league?

Morris is 29, averaging 15ppg and shooting 45% from the 3.  
KCP is 25, averaging 10ppg and shooting 36% from the 3.
Harris is 26, averaging 21ppg and shooting 43% from the 3. Say what you will about his D.

I'll grant that Middleton preceded SVG/Blake - the point is they've let a ton of shooters go for little or nothing in return.

Middleton is 27, averaging 18ppg and shooting 38% from the 3
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Post by Guest Sat 12 Jan 2019 - 22:25

And really much of the problem boils down to crappy drafts too...

Kennard, Johnson, Ellenson - none of them look to be real difference makers.

I'm sad because I wish the Pistons were good, but unless they get really lucky they're mired in mediocrity for 3-5 more years.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Mon 14 Jan 2019 - 20:59

Ish Smith returns tonight - should be huge for the bench players. 

Pistons are +8 at the Jazz
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Tue 15 Jan 2019 - 1:08

Drummond is so fucking whack, I'm over him.
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Post by Tim Wakefield Tue 15 Jan 2019 - 1:17

Jazz crowd is always lit. Fun place to watch a game.
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Post by steveschneider Tue 15 Jan 2019 - 20:18

Just saw some good news, Pistons signed Kalin Lucas.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Tue 15 Jan 2019 - 21:05

steveschneider wrote:Just saw some good news, Pistons signed Kalin Lucas.

Neat!
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Post by DWags Tue 15 Jan 2019 - 21:20

steveschneider wrote:Just saw some good news, Pistons signed Kalin Lucas.

That was fast.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Fri 18 Jan 2019 - 23:28

20-24
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Post by duffy munn Fri 18 Jan 2019 - 23:53

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:20-24

Maybe a 40 win team when all is said and done. Yay.
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duffy munn wrote:
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Maybe a 40 win team when all is said and done. Yay.

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Maybe a 40 win team when all is said and done. Yay.

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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher Sat 19 Jan 2019 - 1:47

The Pistons need to tank.
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WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:The Pistons need to tank.
I’m going to come to the east side and murder you
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I'll be honest I don't see a way out of the Pistons current plight. Tanking, trading for pennies on the dollar....don't see it. Maybe lots of steroids?
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Sat 19 Jan 2019 - 2:06

Just get rid of Reggie Jackson & Drummond and draft decent - while playing Kennard as much as possible. Whatever happens, happens - but know that duff will be here to tell us a franchise that has been mediocre for what 12-13 years is mediocre.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos Sat 19 Jan 2019 - 2:24

Are you ready for an unpopular hot take that you haven’t heard on sports talk radio so you’ll naturally disagree with but then realize I’m actually right? Okay good.

I get what the pistons were trying to do the last few years. I get it. It just didn’t quite work out. One draft pick going right (like Stanley) and it might have been totally different.

“What is this idiot talking about” you’re thinking. Look, the first part is that I get the whole copy cat league thing. But the problem is- no one is going to out warrior the warriors. Try to go the same road as them. Neat. You won’t beat them. You have to try a different strategy. The pistons had Drummond already, so they tried a Big play. And to some extent it really did work. Take a look at their record against the warriors, they were a thorn. Beat em a couple of times, lost a few close games. Playing big is a hole in their lineup, and thus a hole in the lineups of several teams that are trying to emulate the warriors. Problem was keeping it up all season proves difficult when you try to play like that.

I don’t think signing Drummond to a huge contract was really a mistake. Made sense at the time, though it might be best for both parties now to look in other directions. The biggest mistake was signing unproven Reggie. And further if just one of those draft picks turned into a Mitchell type of quick sensation, things would be insanely different right now. But alas. That’s just the luck of the draw in the draft sometimes. Anyway, whatever. I’m just saying that I don’t think the pistons ever were a blind stupid bad choices all the time like the Lions team that people like to bill them as. Just didn’t quite click right the way it maybe could have with one or two different choices.
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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Are you ready for an unpopular hot take that you haven’t heard on sports talk radio so you’ll naturally disagree with but then realize I’m actually right? Okay good.

I get what the pistons were trying to do the last few years. I get it. It just didn’t quite work out. One draft pick going right (like Stanley) and it might have been totally different.

“What is this idiot talking about” you’re thinking. Look, the first part is that I get the whole copy cat league thing. But the problem is- no one is going to out warrior the warriors. Try to go the same road as them. Neat. You won’t beat them. You have to try a different strategy. The pistons had Drummond already, so they tried a Big play. And to some extent it really did work. Take a look at their record against the warriors, they were a thorn. Beat em a couple of times, lost a few close games. Playing big is a hole in their lineup, and thus a hole in the lineups of several teams that are trying to emulate the warriors. Problem was keeping it up all season proves difficult when you try to play like that.

I don’t think signing Drummond to a huge contract was really a mistake. Made sense at the time, though it might be best for both parties now to look in other directions. The biggest mistake was signing unproven Reggie. And further if just one of those draft picks turned into a Mitchell type of quick sensation, things would be insanely different right now. But alas. That’s just the luck of the draw in the draft sometimes. Anyway, whatever. I’m just saying that I don’t think the pistons ever were a blind stupid bad choices all the time like the Lions team that people like to bill them as. Just didn’t quite click right the way it maybe could have with one or two different choices.

Results wise they are pretty much the lions. With that being said, this is a fair and logical post. But as you mentioned, it won’t resonate well with the fire everybody play the Grand Rapids drive tank simpleton crowd.

If they can get a decent playoff seed and be competitive with Blake and Casey at some point I’ll be content

Also whoever’s idea it was draft Ellenson can go. That’s truly who should be fired if not already
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Post by kingstonlake Sat 19 Jan 2019 - 2:38

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Are you ready for an unpopular hot take that you haven’t heard on sports talk radio so you’ll naturally disagree with but then realize I’m actually right? Okay good.

I get what the pistons were trying to do the last few years. I get it. It just didn’t quite work out. One draft pick going right (like Stanley) and it might have been totally different.

“What is this idiot talking about” you’re thinking. Look, the first part is that I get the whole copy cat league thing. But the problem is- no one is going to out warrior the warriors. Try to go the same road as them. Neat. You won’t beat them. You have to try a different strategy. The pistons had Drummond already, so they tried a Big play. And to some extent it really did work. Take a look at their record against the warriors, they were a thorn. Beat em a couple of times, lost a few close games. Playing big is a hole in their lineup, and thus a hole in the lineups of several teams that are trying to emulate the warriors. Problem was keeping it up all season proves difficult when you try to play like that.

I don’t think signing Drummond to a huge contract was really a mistake. Made sense at the time, though it might be best for both parties now to look in other directions. The biggest mistake was signing unproven Reggie. And further if just one of those draft picks turned into a Mitchell type of quick sensation, things would be insanely different right now. But alas. That’s just the luck of the draw in the draft sometimes. Anyway, whatever. I’m just saying that I don’t think the pistons ever were a blind stupid bad choices all the time like the Lions team that people like to bill them as. Just didn’t quite click right the way it maybe could have with one or two different choices.

So you're saying if Drummond was a better player, Jackson turned out to be good, their draft picks turned out better, and one turned into Mitchell, they'd be much better? Interesting.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher Sat 19 Jan 2019 - 2:39

I agree with Travis. If the Pistons had made perfect moves they would be much better.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos Sat 19 Jan 2019 - 2:46

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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Are you ready for an unpopular hot take that you haven’t heard on sports talk radio so you’ll naturally disagree with but then realize I’m actually right? Okay good.

I get what the pistons were trying to do the last few years. I get it. It just didn’t quite work out. One draft pick going right (like Stanley) and it might have been totally different.

“What is this idiot talking about” you’re thinking. Look, the first part is that I get the whole copy cat league thing. But the problem is- no one is going to out warrior the warriors. Try to go the same road as them. Neat. You won’t beat them. You have to try a different strategy. The pistons had Drummond already, so they tried a Big play. And to some extent it really did work. Take a look at their record against the warriors, they were a thorn. Beat em a couple of times, lost a few close games. Playing big is a hole in their lineup, and thus a hole in the lineups of several teams that are trying to emulate the warriors. Problem was keeping it up all season proves difficult when you try to play like that.

I don’t think signing Drummond to a huge contract was really a mistake. Made sense at the time, though it might be best for both parties now to look in other directions. The biggest mistake was signing unproven Reggie. And further if just one of those draft picks turned into a Mitchell type of quick sensation, things would be insanely different right now. But alas. That’s just the luck of the draw in the draft sometimes. Anyway, whatever. I’m just saying that I don’t think the pistons ever were a blind stupid bad choices all the time like the Lions team that people like to bill them as. Just didn’t quite click right the way it maybe could have with one or two different choices.

So you're saying if Drummond was a better player, Jackson turned out to be good, their draft picks turned out better, and one turned into Mitchell, they'd be much better? Interesting.
No, not Drummond. Drummond is fine for what he does. And that was the idea. It could have worked. Reggie was a mistake in retrospect, though, not the end of the world really. 

And yeah, they were one wing player away. Which people can say “lol if only they got the one lucky player in Mitchell” but that shit happens in the window the pistons were drafting in all the time. Mitchell, Giannis, Klay, go on and on and on with players drafted in the early teens that should have gone much higher. The pistons just didn’t get one of them.
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