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Post by DWags on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 19:27

aualum06 wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:They should have cut/traded Stafford years ago.

Stat padder extraordinaire.

He'll make $200M as a choke artist.

And magically replace him with who?

Some other guy who won’t make the playoffs or win when they do?

I get it. He’s good but at what cost?
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Post by aualum06 on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 19:39

DWags wrote:
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And magically replace him with who?

Some other guy who won’t make the playoffs or win when they do?

I get it. He’s good but at what cost?

Francise QBs don't just happen
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Post by The Pantry on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 19:55

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Post by Guest on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:05

aualum06 wrote:
DWags wrote:

Some other guy who won’t make the playoffs or win when they do?  

I get it. He’s good but at what cost?  

Francise QBs don't just happen
Hes not a franchise QB.   He's been in the league 9 damn years now, how many playoff seasons?   How many playoff wins?   Blame the Fords all you want but he's done nothing to warrant being called a franchise qb.   

They wasted $30m a season on him when would have been better off signing a rookie  or a journeyman backup for 3m and sunk the other $27m into improving the OL or the pass rush\coverage.
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Post by DWags on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:08

aualum06 wrote:
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Some other guy who won’t make the playoffs or win when they do?

I get it. He’s good but at what cost?

Francise QBs don't just happen

He’s got great arm talent. He is not a guy who will carry a team.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:10

Stafford is the best QB they've had since Layne
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Post by DWags on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:11

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Stafford is the best QB they've had since Layne

Sanders was the greatest nfl back .... ever. Johnson was the best WR. And???
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Post by Guest on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:13

I went and looked it up for you:

Is 3 playoff years of 10 years a franchise qb?
Is ZERO playoff wins in his career the mark of a "franchise qb"??
Is a QB with a career playoff QB rating of 87.8 the evidence of him elevating his game to carry his team??
Is a 4TD to 3INT ratio what you want in playoff games from your franchise QB??

He's a poser that crumbles under pressure.   I've seen the type.
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Post by Guest on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:16

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Stafford is the best QB they've had since Layne
I'd take Erik Kramer over Stafford in a playoff game.   And Greg Landry. And Earl Morral.   And Gary Danielson.
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Post by aualum06 on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:17

LooseGoose wrote:I went and looked it up for you:

Is 3 playoff years of 10 years a franchise qb?
Is ZERO playoff wins in his career the mark of a "franchise qb"??
Is a QB with a career playoff QB rating of 87.8 the evidence of him elevating his game to carry his team??
Is a 4TD to 3INT ratio what you want in playoff games from your franchise QB??

He's a poser that crumbles under pressure.   I've seen the type.

You let me know who we are getting that will make us forget him. It won't really matter because they have no oline after spending every resource on it for two years and plus have a terrible head coach
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Post by steveschneider on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:23

aualum06 wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:I went and looked it up for you:

Is 3 playoff years of 10 years a franchise qb?
Is ZERO playoff wins in his career the mark of a "franchise qb"??
Is a QB with a career playoff QB rating of 87.8 the evidence of him elevating his game to carry his team??
Is a 4TD to 3INT ratio what you want in playoff games from your franchise QB??

He's a poser that crumbles under pressure.   I've seen the type.

You let me know who we are getting that will make us forget him. It won't really matter because they have no oline after spending every resource on it for two years and plus have a terrible head coach

I agree 100%. If we are looking for someone to throw under the bus I’m looking at Quin. His drafting sucks and his new head coach sucks. I’ve beaten this drum plenty of times but Caldwell was the best coach I’ve seen the Lions get since Fontes and this new guy is not an upgrade. The change they made in coaching was a step back.
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Post by aualum06 on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:27

steveschneider wrote:
aualum06 wrote:

You let me know who we are getting that will make us forget him. It won't really matter because they have no oline after spending every resource on it for two years and plus have a terrible head coach

I agree 100%. If we are looking for someone to throw under the bus I’m looking at Quin. His drafting sucks and his new head coach sucks. I’ve beaten this drum plenty of times but Caldwell was the best coach I’ve seen the Lions get since Fontes and this new guy is not an upgrade. The change they made in coaching was a step back.

Teez Tabor was inactive for a guy that wasn't even drafted and who played decent
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:37

The next QB is always the answer.
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Post by Jake from State Farm on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:49

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:The next QB is always the answer.

Yep, I thought Charlie Batch was the answer when he got his first chance. How many first chances have there been since then?
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Post by Guest on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 20:55

Lol so it's not on the frAnchise qb ?  It's the fault of the 3 stupid head coaches that couldn't win a playoff game with him leading the team.

And treating replacing him as a hard  task?    Laughable.   Any QB in the NFL and many more on the street could throw those INTs today.  10 year veteran franchise QBs don't play like dog shit week after week.
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Post by aualum06 on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 21:05

LooseGoose wrote:Lol so it's not on the frAnchise qb ?  It's the fault of the 3 stupid head coaches that couldn't win a playoff game with him leading the team.

And treating replacing him as a hard  task?    Laughable.   Any QB in the NFL and many more on the street could throw those INTs today.  10 year veteran franchise QBs don't play like dog shit week after week.

This team has lots of problems and they have been multiplying since canning Caldwell
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Post by Guest on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 22:00

aualum06 wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Lol so it's not on the frAnchise qb ?  It's the fault of the 3 stupid head coaches that couldn't win a playoff game with him leading the team.

And treating replacing him as a hard  task?    Laughable.   Any QB in the NFL and many more on the street could throw those INTs today.  10 year veteran franchise QBs don't play like dog shit week after week.

This team has lots of problems and they have been multiplying since canning Caldwell

I'm not off the Quinn train yet. The team needed a rebuild, they were solidly mediocre.

Put it on the coaching but the Lions in the recent past had a "franchise QB", a 1st ballot HoF WR and a generational talent at DT all on the team at the same time. Results? More losses, no playoff wins.

Matthew Stafford has twice the talent Kenny Stabler ever had. But if I HAD to win a game I'd take Kenny Stabler as my leader every time. Stafford showed up here with his cheerleader in tow and never took over this team and made it his. It's obvious she's the one with the balls in that house.
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Post by TheReal_LWS on Thu 22 Nov 2018 - 22:15

I almost spit out my turkey in laughter when he threw that pick 6. So predictable. Eddie Jackson knew where Stafford was going to throw that ball before Stafford knew.
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Post by The Pantry on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 2:54

Stafford is undoubtedly one of the most overpaid players in the league. Not his fault for getting the cash, The Ford's are great at selling vehicles but they need to sell the Lions to stop the multi-decade suffering fans have had to endure.
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Post by Death Roe on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 7:40

aualum06 wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Lol so it's not on the frAnchise qb ?  It's the fault of the 3 stupid head coaches that couldn't win a playoff game with him leading the team.

And treating replacing him as a hard  task?    Laughable.   Any QB in the NFL and many more on the street could throw those INTs today.  10 year veteran franchise QBs don't play like dog shit week after week.

This team has lots of problems and they have been multiplying since canning Caldwell

You're slowly devolving into Tpain

Just kidding. I do agree that firing Caldwell was a mistake.
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Post by steveschneider on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 8:42

Death Roe wrote:
aualum06 wrote:

This team has lots of problems and they have been multiplying since canning Caldwell

You're slowly devolving into Tpain

Just kidding. I do agree that firing Caldwell was a mistake.

Caldwell is a qb whisperer. Peyton Manning, Flacco and Stafford all of their numbers improved under Caldwell. The fans used to rip apart Caldwell’s game management (he wasn’t perfect) but you see Patricia and his game management is worse. Going for two yesterday? And multiple games opposing defenses have known exactly where the ball is going on plays.
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Post by Guest on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 8:49

steveschneider wrote:
Death Roe wrote:

You're slowly devolving into Tpain

Just kidding. I do agree that firing Caldwell was a mistake.

Caldwell is a qb whisperer. Peyton Manning, Flacco and Stafford all of their numbers improved under Caldwell. The fans used to rip apart Caldwell’s game management (he wasn’t perfect) but you see Patricia and his game management is worse. Going for two yesterday? And multiple games opposing defenses have known exactly where the ball is going on plays.

I think Caldwell was/is underrated as a coach but I see him more as a coach for a playoff ready team. If Quinn felt a tear down and rebuild was in order then maybe he felt that Caldwell wasn't the man for that. Or it was the age old thing of a new GM hiring "his" coach.
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Post by duffy munn on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 8:52

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Stafford is the best QB they've had since Layne

That's not saying much.
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Post by aualum06 on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 8:56

Death Roe wrote:
aualum06 wrote:

This team has lots of problems and they have been multiplying since canning Caldwell

You're slowly devolving into Tpain

Just kidding. I do agree that firing Caldwell was a mistake.

Lol this teams pathetic no bowing here
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Post by steveschneider on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 9:03

LooseGoose wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Caldwell is a qb whisperer. Peyton Manning, Flacco and Stafford all of their numbers improved under Caldwell. The fans used to rip apart Caldwell’s game management (he wasn’t perfect) but you see Patricia and his game management is worse. Going for two yesterday? And multiple games opposing defenses have known exactly where the ball is going on plays.

I think Caldwell was/is underrated as a coach but I see him more as a coach for a playoff ready team. If Quinn felt a tear down and rebuild was in order then maybe he felt that Caldwell wasn't the man for that. Or it was the age old thing of a new GM hiring "his" coach.

I buy into he wanted “his” coach which I get but it’s just painful because the guy that wasn’t his coach was really good. Also, regarding the playoffs I feel your pain there’s only one guy that’s got it done in my life and that’s Wayne Fontes.

On the flip side though just making it is still better than where we are at now and I think the numbers show Caldwell over achieved in the regular season. Made the playoffs in 2016 with no pro bowl players. First time since the early 90s and the last team to do that was the Bears. And last year Freep the Lions winning 6 games and they finished with 9. They over achieved by three wins.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 10:53

duffy munn wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:Stafford is the best QB they've had since Layne

That's not saying much.

Landry probably is second on that list
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Post by duffy munn on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 11:15

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

That's not saying much.

Landry probably is second on that list

I'll take Erik Kramer. At least he won a playoff game.

Stafford will wind up with Hall of Fame numbers when all is said and done. Someday he will be the answer to a great trivia question. Name the only HOF QB to never win a post season game.
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Post by steveschneider on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 14:11

duffy munn wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

Landry probably is second on that list

I'll take Erik Kramer. At least he won a playoff game.

Stafford will wind up with Hall of Fame numbers when all is said and done. Someday he will be the answer to a great trivia question. Name the only HOF QB to never win a post season game.

I loved that era of the Lions and that one playoff win was special.
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Post by duffy munn on Fri 23 Nov 2018 - 14:36

steveschneider wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

I'll take Erik Kramer. At least he won a playoff game.

Stafford will wind up with Hall of Fame numbers when all is said and done. Someday he will be the answer to a great trivia question. Name the only HOF QB to never win a post season game.

I loved that era of the Lions and that one playoff win was special.

Those where some pretty good teams. Defense with Jerry Ball, Spielman, Benny Blades. A very good o-line: Lomas Brown, Glover, Andiesack, Mike Utley. Good receivers Willie Green and Johnny Morton And of course BARRY.

All led by the best and worst Coach in Lions history Wayne Fontes.

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Post by Heat Miser on Sun 25 Nov 2018 - 19:08

Ebron just caught his 11th TD...for the Colts.
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Post by kingstonlake on Sun 25 Nov 2018 - 19:14

Heat Miser wrote:Ebron just caught his 11th TD...for the Colts.

And has more than 2x as many touchdowns as anybody on the Lions roster....
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Post by Guest on Sun 25 Nov 2018 - 19:14

Heat Miser wrote:Ebron just caught his 11th TD...for the Colts.

He was a stiff here. Probably figured out that he needed to perform or the money train was derailing.
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Post by aualum06 on Sun 25 Nov 2018 - 19:21

LooseGoose wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:Ebron just caught his 11th TD...for the Colts.

He was a stiff here. Probably figured out that he needed to perform or the money train was derailing.

I disagree. He was solid and way better than their replacement plan. Letting him walk was total lions stupidity
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Post by TheReal_LWS on Tue 27 Nov 2018 - 8:58

Who is more overpaid:

Stat Padford, or Harbs?
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Post by steveschneider on Tue 27 Nov 2018 - 9:33

aualum06 wrote:
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He was a stiff here. Probably figured out that he needed to perform or the money train was derailing.

I disagree. He was solid and way better than their replacement plan. Letting him walk was total lions stupidity

Another Quinn blunder?
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Post by Dr. Strangelove on Tue 27 Nov 2018 - 10:10

TheReal_LWS wrote:Who is more overpaid:

Stat Padford, or Harbs?

Harbaugh. There are only 32 starting NFL QBs and Pad Mystatsford pay isn't eggriegously put of line for what he delivers.

Harbaugh is Hoke but cashing bigger checks
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Post by TheReal_LWS on Tue 27 Nov 2018 - 10:54

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
TheReal_LWS wrote:Who is more overpaid:

Stat Padford, or Harbs?

Harbaugh. There are only 32 starting NFL QBs and Pad Mystatsford pay isn't eggriegously put of line for what he delivers.

Harbaugh is Hoke but cashing bigger checks

Accept Pad Mystatsford is the 2nd highest paid QB in the league. No way is he the 2nd best QB in the league. I slot him in somewhere around 20th.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove on Tue 27 Nov 2018 - 13:04

I've seen 5th highest paid. I think that 2nd highest is the cap hit. But they're are a cluster of them between $20 and $27 mil a year
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The Lions are dominating so far.
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