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Post by steveschneider Thu 30 May 2019 - 12:42

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How do you revisit this?

They are going to raise those banners. That school and fan base is obsessed with the fraud 5.
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Post by Nordic Thu 30 May 2019 - 20:04

Well, Juwan got his first rules violations out of the way (31:10 mark)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2019/05/30/live-updates-juwan-howard-introduced-michigan-basketball-coach/1280677001/

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Post by steveschneider Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 7:26

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1215119622367850496?s=21

Anyone have any pointers on how to keep thugs out of the garden?
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 8:21

Good luck with the locker room Beeline.
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Post by Banks2Mason Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 8:23

he's gonna get canned and have a pile of gilbert money rolling in for the first few years of retirement. not a bad way to go out tbh
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 8:33

Maybe he meant they were playing like UC Santa Cruz? John Beilein to the Cavs - Page 7 2599972566
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Post by Nordic Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 8:35

steveschneider wrote:https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1215119622367850496?s=21

Anyone have any pointers on how to keep thugs out of the garden?

Knowing how Beilien talks and the context, he was trying to say 'slugs'. Mountain meet mole hill.

That said, his persona and mannerisms are not a good fit for the NBA. He is the definition of 'Ok Boomer'
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Post by DWags Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 8:38

His family isn’t having a great season.
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Post by NigelUno Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 8:53

steveschneider wrote:https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1215119622367850496?s=21

Anyone have any pointers on how to keep thugs out of the garden?

I SAID BUGS!!!
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 9:47

Serious talk for a minute. The word thug is code for racists to demean black people for a while now. From all accounts Beiline (however the fuck you actually spell his name) seems like a good guy, but he should have known better. Even if he meant to say slugs.

Any respect he did have with his players is likely gone now and he'll probably lose his job at the end of the year if not sooner. Sorry dude. The world isn't fair sometimes.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 9:50

Didn't know "thug" was racist... thought it just meant bully.
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Post by Heat Miser Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 9:59

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Didn't know "thug" was racist... thought it just meant bully.

Really? Are you from Mio or something?
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Post by NigelUno Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 10:04

This can be fixed with Hugs.
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Post by tGreenWay Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 10:51

He should heat up some water in front of the players to demonstrate how quickly a team’s demeanor can go from cold stares to a boiling rage.
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Post by DWags Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 11:09

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Didn't know "thug" was racist... thought it just meant bully.

Me too, glad someone got in trouble for it before I used it in public. Won’t use it anymore. I was talking about the guy who sucker punched another guy in the bar at St. Clair Shores with my wife and called him a fucking thug. If it comes up in conversation outside my home I won’t say it. Also won’t use it in my home. I don’t understand all the words that have become racist, but if they bother a race or people, I think I have enough other words in my vocabulary that I can eliminate them.
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Post by NigelUno Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 11:22

DWags wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Didn't know "thug" was racist... thought it just meant bully.

Me too, glad someone got in trouble for it before I used it in public. Won’t use it anymore. I was talking about the guy who sucker punched another guy in the bar at St. Clair Shores with my wife and called him a fucking thug. If it comes up in conversation outside my home I won’t say it. Also won’t use it in my home. I don’t understand all the words that have become racist, but if they bother a race or people, I think I have enough other words in my vocabulary that I can eliminate them.

I'm pretty sure the Pistons (with Laimbeer) were called thugs back in the day.

I don't think that connotation with the current Cavs' roster makes sense.

I'm guessing Beilein didn't quite understand the negative reaction it might have, and I'm not buying he meant to say "slugs". I'm guessing the players got a good chuckle out of it and don't really care that much. They're getting paid and they're on a crappy team. He seemed to be having some issues before. This probably won't help.
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Post by I.B. Fine Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 12:06

Instead of thug, he meant to say worthless pieces of shit....perfectly understandable mistake..
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 12:12

DWags wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Didn't know "thug" was racist... thought it just meant bully.

Me too, glad someone got in trouble for it before I used it in public. Won’t use it anymore. I was talking about the guy who sucker punched another guy in the bar at St. Clair Shores with my wife and called him a fucking thug. If it comes up in conversation outside my home I won’t say it. Also won’t use it in my home. I don’t understand all the words that have become racist, but if they bother a race or people, I think I have enough other words in my vocabulary that I can eliminate them.



Here's Richard Sherman's take on it.
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Post by Cameron Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 12:16

For those of you who were unaware of thug's connotations, maybe we ought to warn you not to use posse either, just to be safe.
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Post by DWags Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 12:25

So, it's out of my vocabulary starting today. Also, what about the word "Gangster"? Is that also considered the new "N" word?

From now own, no more N-G-or T words. feel bad I came late to the game for the t-word, but as I've said, I haven't ever used it in public that I can recall, and will not use it from here on out anywhere.
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Post by Cameron Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 12:29

DWags wrote:So, it's out of my vocabulary starting today.   Also, what about the word "Gangster"?  Is that also considered the new "N" word?  

From now own, no more N-G-or T words.   feel bad I came late to the game for the t-word, but as I've said, I haven't ever used it in public that I can recall, and will not use it from here on out anywhere.  

I mean, I think you can still safely call white guys any of these things (other than the N word), but I can't recommend calling a non-white person gangster.
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Post by tGreenWay Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 13:53

Cameron wrote:For those of you who were unaware of thug's connotations, maybe we ought to warn you not to use posse either, just to be safe.


I learned this only a month ago. Used it at home while talking with my wife. She gave me one of those “Just so you know ...” talks. So now I know.
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Post by Banks2Mason Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 13:55


I learned this only a month ago. Used it at home while talking with my wife. She gave me one of those “Just s

tGreenWay gonna do about 6 months in free speech jail
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 13:58

Context is important in a lot of these cases.
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Post by tGreenWay Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 14:02

Banks2Mason wrote:

I learned this only a month ago. Used it at home while talking with my wife. She gave me one of those “Just s


tGreenWay gonna do about 6 months in free speech jail



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I’m with DWags on this, though; if it’s a word that upsets others, there’s plenty of other words to use. Except moist. Sorry, ladies, there’s no other way to describe my cakes.
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Post by Heat Miser Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 15:25

I once new a (white) man who lovingly called his (white) granddaughter a "cotton picker". No idea why. This was in the 70's. Seemed harmless at the time, but probably wouldn't go over too well these days.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 17:40

I'm as liberal as the next guy but the political correctness in speech and ok fingers and whatever is crazy. I get the n word, but these newly encoded words are getting to the silly point. Also, righteous indignation over legit things looses its impact if ok fingers is the new n word.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 17:56

Also....
So one of the good guys on Twitter, an author I follow, said something about a new fad of ladies wearing short pants and the thread turned into 100s of post of righteous indignation of woke idiots shitting on him for commenting on something a woman may choose to wear. I had Republican feelings. Then I was nauseous.
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Post by steveschneider Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 18:41

Also, I’m calling bullshit on his lame ass ‘slugs’ cover up. It’s embarrassing to see him try to play it off this way.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 19:05

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Also....
So one of the good guys on Twitter, an author I follow, said something about a new fad of ladies wearing short pants and the thread turned into 100s of post of righteous indignation of woke idiots shitting on him for commenting on something a woman may choose to wear. I had Republican feelings. Then I was nauseous.

You should be nauseous for giving Twitter comments any amount of attention.
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Post by Nordic Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 19:22

steveschneider wrote:Also, I’m calling bullshit on his lame ass ‘slugs’ cover up. It’s embarrassing to see him try to play it off this way.

I generally give people the benefit of the doubt. Bielein isn't known to be that kinda person. He is known to not be the most articulate speaker. Regardless, WOP is right, the damage is done.
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Post by tGreenWay Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 19:38

Heat Miser wrote:I once new a (white) man who lovingly called his (white) granddaughter a "cotton picker". No idea why. This was in the 70's. Seemed harmless at the time, but probably wouldn't go over too well these days.

My dad grew up in southern Missouri and used the term all the time in front of us kids. It’s a term that was frequently used in cartoons I repeatedly watched early in my life. It isn’t a term I’ve used often, and have used it so infrequently that it would even be an overstatement to say I use it sporadically. But it’s probably encoded somewhere in my tiny brain and I used it the one time and all hell broke loose. I apologized, but that wasn’t enough for some of the respondents. That’s on them, not me.


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Post by tGreenWay Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 19:41

And oh-by-the-way, apparently use of the term you guys has fallen into disfavor by certain people. I’ll leave it to you guys to come to your own conclusions as to who might object to that.
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Post by Cameron Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 19:44

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I'm as liberal as the next guy but the political correctness in speech and ok fingers and whatever is crazy. I get the n word, but these newly encoded words are getting to the silly point. Also, righteous indignation over legit things looses its impact if ok fingers is the new n word.

I find it equally frustrating and fascinating. Pejoration is very interesting to me. The linked article has some examples, others I've seen are things like toilet and all the different names we've come up with to avoid just saying "I'm going to the toilet." The same sort of thing goes on with slurs and whatnot. Once you see it clearly, it becomes obvious that it's not the words that are offensive, but the ideas they express, which makes censorship seem very silly.

So long as people have hate for others, they will find a way to express it linguistically, and that's ultimately what we're trying to stop with censorship. It's an unwinnable battle.
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Post by steveschneider Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 19:46

Good write up on the OK symbol from the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture
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Post by tGreenWay Thu 9 Jan 2020 - 20:07

Cameron wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:I'm as liberal as the next guy but the political correctness in speech and ok fingers and whatever is crazy. I get the n word, but these newly encoded words are getting to the silly point. Also, righteous indignation over legit things looses its impact if ok fingers is the new n word.

I find it equally frustrating and fascinating. Pejoration is very interesting to me. The linked article has some examples, others I've seen are things like toilet and all the different names we've come up with to avoid just saying "I'm going to the toilet." The same sort of thing goes on with slurs and whatnot. Once you see it clearly, it becomes obvious that it's not the words that are offensive, but the ideas they express, which makes censorship seem very silly.

So long as people have hate for others, they will find a way to express it linguistically, and that's ultimately what we're trying to stop with censorship. It's an unwinnable battle.

Coincidental sidebar story to your post: I’ve always had an interest in the origins of words, but I don’t consciously give that consideration to every word I speak/write. Case in point: I’m one of those who always gets a cowlick if my hair is cut too short. I’ve known about and used the word cowlick as far back as I can remember. But, it wasn’t until a couple of weeks ago that I actually considered the source of the word. Sure enough, it’s as obvious as you’d think, dating back to the 16th century and coined because it looks like a cow licked the back of someone’s head.

Here endeth the cool story, broheim.
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Post by Banks2Mason Fri 10 Jan 2020 - 7:59

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I'm as liberal as the next guy but the political correctness in speech and ok fingers and whatever is crazy. I get the n word, but these newly encoded words are getting to the silly point. Also, righteous indignation over legit things looses its impact if ok fingers is the new n word.

i mean, the OK thing is stupid but it was expressly adopted by neo Nazi jackasses. they're to blame, not "PC culture" or whatever.

holding your right arm straight out at a 45 degree angle isn't inherently evil either, but it was adopted by a certain group and now it is what it is.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Fri 10 Jan 2020 - 8:16

tGreenWay wrote:
Cameron wrote:

I find it equally frustrating and fascinating. Pejoration is very interesting to me. The linked article has some examples, others I've seen are things like toilet and all the different names we've come up with to avoid just saying "I'm going to the toilet." The same sort of thing goes on with slurs and whatnot. Once you see it clearly, it becomes obvious that it's not the words that are offensive, but the ideas they express, which makes censorship seem very silly.

So long as people have hate for others, they will find a way to express it linguistically, and that's ultimately what we're trying to stop with censorship. It's an unwinnable battle.

Coincidental sidebar story to your post: I’ve always had an interest in the origins of words, but I don’t consciously give that consideration to every word I speak/write. Case in point: I’m one of those who always gets a cowlick if my hair is cut too short. I’ve known about and used the word cowlick as far back as I can remember. But, it wasn’t until a couple of weeks ago that I actually considered the source of the word. Sure enough, it’s as obvious as you’d think, dating back to the 16th century and coined because it looks like a cow licked the back of someone’s head.

Here endeth the cool story, broheim.

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Post by Banks2Mason Fri 10 Jan 2020 - 8:18

tGreenWay wrote:
Cameron wrote:

I find it equally frustrating and fascinating. Pejoration is very interesting to me. The linked article has some examples, others I've seen are things like toilet and all the different names we've come up with to avoid just saying "I'm going to the toilet." The same sort of thing goes on with slurs and whatnot. Once you see it clearly, it becomes obvious that it's not the words that are offensive, but the ideas they express, which makes censorship seem very silly.

So long as people have hate for others, they will find a way to express it linguistically, and that's ultimately what we're trying to stop with censorship. It's an unwinnable battle.

Coincidental sidebar story to your post: I’ve always had an interest in the origins of words, but I don’t consciously give that consideration to every word I speak/write. Case in point: I’m one of those who always gets a cowlick if my hair is cut too short. I’ve known about and used the word cowlick as far back as I can remember. But, it wasn’t until a couple of weeks ago that I actually considered the source of the word. Sure enough, it’s as obvious as you’d think, dating back to the 16th century and coined because it looks like a cow licked the back of someone’s head.

Here endeth the cool story, broheim.

i was probably like 25 before i realized that saying you got "gypped" was probably offensive. then i started hearing old farts just straight up say they got "jewed"
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