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Post by aualum06 on 2020-01-12, 21:05

Blackwell should be in jail. Coach D handled everything right and the media is destroying him to prop of scum
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Post by DWags on 2020-01-12, 21:07

Check out the picture. Who looks evil. Who doesn’t. Bull shit.
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Post by aualum06 on 2020-01-12, 21:08

DWags wrote:Check out the picture. Who looks evil. Who doesn’t. Bull shit.

Trying to tie coach d to rape. MSU needs to go after the paper. The nassar situation has just killed the university and in a way it is deserved because that wasn't handled
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2020-01-12, 21:19

If it is such bullshit, why are you promoting it? It is worth posting about, yeah, but you just give the link so the only way we would know anything about what you're talking about is to click on it, which gives them money and rewards them for writing this.

Give a summary, or hell, even paste the whole thing, they deserve to have their links bypassed.
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Post by kingstonlake on 2020-01-12, 21:21

What’s bullshit about it? Quick read seems to give a fairly accurate time line of events.
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-12, 21:27

Some messy stuff in there.

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Post by steveschneider on 2020-01-12, 21:28

Is there anything new in there or are they just repackaging the same story. I read about 60% of it and feel like this has all been told before.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2020-01-12, 21:30

Woof. Hard to stomach. I also would like to know what’s bullshit because it seems like a more detailed timeline of what many knew.
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-12, 21:32

steveschneider wrote:Is there anything new in there or are they just repackaging the same story. I read about 60% of it and feel like this has all been told before.

I don't think Robertson's admission process had been that detailed. Unless, I missed it before (other than Hondo's "reporting").
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2020-01-12, 21:33

steveschneider wrote:Is there anything new in there or are they just repackaging the same story. I read about 60% of it and feel like this has all been told before.

This had a lot of new (at least to me) details.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2020-01-12, 21:39

What the fuck was Dantonio doing still recruiting and pushing for Robertson? This wasn’t a second chance thing this sounded like it was his 14th.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-01-12, 21:43

I'm guessing it is because Coach D will be testifying in the Blackwell case soon?
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2020-01-12, 21:44

Nordic wrote:I'm guessing it is because Coach D will be testifying in the Blackwell case soon?

I think he just did- yeah. Article says Friday. For 6 hours.


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Post by DWags on 2020-01-12, 21:45

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:What the fuck was Dantonio doing still recruiting and pushing for Robertson? This wasn’t a second chance thing this sounded like it was his 14th.

I really think if you pick a pivot point of where the program turned and went backwards it’s that decision.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-01-12, 21:46

DWags wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:What the fuck was Dantonio doing still recruiting and pushing for Robertson? This wasn’t a second chance thing this sounded like it was his 14th.

I really think if you pick a pivot point of where the program turned and went backwards it’s that decision.

And right after he went into bunker on recruiting.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-01-12, 21:47

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Nordic wrote:I'm guessing it is because Coach D will be testifying in the Blackwell case soon?

I think he just did- yeah. Article says Friday. For 6 hours.

Priming the pump article
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-12, 21:47

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steveschneider wrote:Is there anything new in there or are they just repackaging the same story. I read about 60% of it and feel like this has all been told before.

This had a lot of new (at least to me) details.

There's an implication the admissions director lost his job for admitting Robertson (which Beekman also supported if the article is to be believed).
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Post by DWags on 2020-01-12, 21:52

I really want to tell you guys how evil Blackwell is. How money hungry he is and what he’s done with his frat brothers on the east side. I don’t hate people. But I have no use for these guys. Look for a school district to close or get chartered in two years because of these fuckers.
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Post by GRR Spartan on 2020-01-12, 23:11

Blackwell is a guy better suited to be a lone wolf running his own show but he liked the pay, perks and prestige that working for a Big Ten university football program got him.

Beekman was a university VP and Secretary to the BOT prior  to being moved to the athletic department by interim MSU President Engle.  How is he involved with Robertson’s admission to MSU?

There are some people in high places at DetNews (possibly other places including MSU) who are hellbent on hurting a MSU football and running Dantonio off without his agreed upon $4.3M bonus

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So the “connections” Blackwell is using to shut MSU out in Metro Detroit are his frat brothers?
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-13, 09:17

GRR Spartan wrote:Blackwell is a guy better suited to be a lone wolf running his own show but he liked the pay, perks and prestige that working for a Big Ten university football program got him.

Beekman was a university VP and Secretary to the BOT prior  to being moved to the athletic department by interim MSU President Engle.  How is he involved with Robertson’s admission to MSU?

There are some people in high places at DetNews (possibly other places including MSU) who are hellbent on hurting a MSU football and running Dantonio off without his agreed upon $4.3M bonus

PS
So the “connections” Blackwell is using to shut MSU out in Metro Detroit are his frat brothers?

If the article is true...

It sounds like there was an admissions policy in place (for students like Robertson) that was ignored/subverted.

Some new secret process had a "jury" including Beekman (yes) and Hollis (no) (among others), then voted to admit him.

If true...probably why the admissions director lost his job (subverted the policy, voted to admit him, and then admit him).
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Post by kingstonlake on 2020-01-13, 09:23

It is what it is. You gamble on kids that are risks and sometimes it pays off, other times it blows up in your face. Unfortunately the blow ups create more news than do the risks that payed off create. It’s the world we live in.

Something I didn’t know was according to Blackwell Jeeem tried to steal him. Interesting.
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Post by Banks2Mason on 2020-01-13, 09:25

god this will never end
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Post by DWags on 2020-01-13, 09:29

NigelUno wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Blackwell is a guy better suited to be a lone wolf running his own show but he liked the pay, perks and prestige that working for a Big Ten university football program got him.

Beekman was a university VP and Secretary to the BOT prior  to being moved to the athletic department by interim MSU President Engle.  How is he involved with Robertson’s admission to MSU?

There are some people in high places at DetNews (possibly other places including MSU) who are hellbent on hurting a MSU football and running Dantonio off without his agreed upon $4.3M bonus

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So the “connections” Blackwell is using to shut MSU out in Metro Detroit are his frat brothers?

If the article is true...

It sounds like there was an admissions policy in place (for students like Robertson) that was ignored/subverted.

Some new secret process had a "jury" including Beekman (yes) and Hollis (no) (among others), then voted to admit him.

If true...probably why the admissions director lost his job (subverted the policy, voted to admit him, and then admit him).

It’s a bad look for Beekman and he comes off as a yes man for Dantonio.
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-13, 09:30

[tw]1216701126076182529[/tw]

Harns with a good take.

Who is the source for this "meeting"?

Hondo? Hollis? One of the two women on the jury? Blackwell's attorney?

I would think it has to be someone who voted against admitting Robertson.

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Post by Banks2Mason on 2020-01-13, 09:30

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

If the article is true...

It sounds like there was an admissions policy in place (for students like Robertson) that was ignored/subverted.

Some new secret process had a "jury" including Beekman (yes) and Hollis (no) (among others), then voted to admit him.

If true...probably why the admissions director lost his job (subverted the policy, voted to admit him, and then admit him).

It’s a bad look for Beekman and he comes off as a yes man for Dantonio.

so ... exactly what we all figured?
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-13, 09:32

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

If the article is true...

It sounds like there was an admissions policy in place (for students like Robertson) that was ignored/subverted.

Some new secret process had a "jury" including Beekman (yes) and Hollis (no) (among others), then voted to admit him.

If true...probably why the admissions director lost his job (subverted the policy, voted to admit him, and then admit him).

It’s a bad look for Beekman and he comes off as a yes man for Dantonio.

Agreed.

Hollis and the two women voted no.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-01-13, 09:32

The school took a huge risk on an individual that had all these red flags around them and they sexually assaulted someone. If true that they subverted some parts of the admission process that could of avoided this then there should be accountability. I guess we gotta hear Dantonio’s side and wait for all of the facts to come out.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-01-13, 09:34

NigelUno wrote:[tw]1216701126076182529[/tw]

Harns with a good take.

Who is the source for this "meeting"?

Hondo? Hollis? One of the two women on the jury? Blackwell's attorney?

I would think it has to be someone who voted against admitting Robertson.


So that’s the big question did this meeting even exist?
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-13, 09:38

steveschneider wrote:The school took a huge risk on an individual that had all these red flags around them and they sexually assaulted someone. If true that they subverted some parts of the admission process that could of avoided this then there should be accountability. I guess we gotta hear Dantonio’s side and wait for all of the facts to come out.

It sure seems like the admissions director was held accountable. He lost his job.

Could have been something else I guess.

But, if he was held accountable...
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Post by Banks2Mason on 2020-01-13, 09:39

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:The school took a huge risk on an individual that had all these red flags around them and they sexually assaulted someone. If true that they subverted some parts of the admission process that could of avoided this then there should be accountability. I guess we gotta hear Dantonio’s side and wait for all of the facts to come out.

It sure seems like the admissions director was held accountable. He lost his job.

Could have been something else I guess.

But, if he was held accountable...

not to be "that guy," but is there any way a kid with that record would be admitted if he wasn't going to be a scholarship athlete? honest question.
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-13, 09:41

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

It sure seems like the admissions director was held accountable.  He lost his job.  

Could have been something else I guess.  

But, if he was held accountable...

not to be "that guy," but is there any way a kid with that record would be admitted if he wasn't going to be a scholarship athlete? honest question.

I would say no.  That's why they had to subvert the process (if the article is true).

I think we all understand that Dantonio thought he could help the kid and it went horribly wrong.

But, if Beekman was involved (not only in the decision, but in subverting the process)? That adds an ugly wrinkle.
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NigelUno wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

not to be "that guy," but is there any way a kid with that record would be admitted if he wasn't going to be a scholarship athlete? honest question.

I would say no.  That's why they had to subvert the process (if the article is true).

I think we all understand that Dantonio thought he could help the kid and it went horribly wrong.

But, if Beekman was involved (not only in the decision, but in subverting the process)? That adds an ugly wrinkle.

promoting a hollis lackey to AD after this whole shitshow was idiotic even if he wasn't involved in any of it.
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-01-13, 09:59

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I would say no.  That's why they had to subvert the process (if the article is true).

I think we all understand that Dantonio thought he could help the kid and it went horribly wrong.

But, if Beekman was involved (not only in the decision, but in subverting the process)? That adds an ugly wrinkle.

promoting a hollis lackey to AD after this whole shitshow was idiotic even if he wasn't involved in any of it.

I don't think Beekman was a Hollis lackey.

They had differing views on Robertson's admission.

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Post by Banks2Mason on 2020-01-13, 10:01

NigelUno wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

promoting a hollis lackey to AD after this whole shitshow was idiotic even if he wasn't involved in any of it.

I don't think Beekman was a Hollis lackey.

They had differing views on Robertson's admission.


ok, whatever. promoting from within, promoting and MSU lifer, whatever you want to call it.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2020-01-13, 10:04

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I would say no.  That's why they had to subvert the process (if the article is true).

I think we all understand that Dantonio thought he could help the kid and it went horribly wrong.

But, if Beekman was involved (not only in the decision, but in subverting the process)? That adds an ugly wrinkle.

promoting a hollis lackey to AD after this whole shitshow was idiotic even if he wasn't involved in any of it.

To respond to your other post, will it ever end, the first step is to continue to completely clean house.
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Post by Banks2Mason on 2020-01-13, 10:07

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Banks2Mason wrote:

promoting a hollis lackey to AD after this whole shitshow was idiotic even if he wasn't involved in any of it.

To respond to your other post, will it ever end, the first step is to continue to completely clean house.

exactly. after your athletic department was exposed as being incompetent (the merits of which can be debated ad nauseum and it doesn't matter anymore), you can't just promote some lifer. beekman should have had the interim title for 6 months and then they should have hired outside the school. this isn't hard.

if stanley hated who they hired, he could have brought on someone else. that's a bad argument.
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Post by Heathens '87 on 2020-01-13, 10:11

There is a lot of complexity here and it's challenging to know the "truth" given we're relying somewhat on memory and perceptions. That said...

- Blackwell was rightly dismissed. His mentoring relationship made him more of a friend and confidant with players, they were accused of criminal acts and his response was more to protect the players as opposed to the alleged victims, the program and the university as a whole.

- Dantonio made a mistake in bringing Robertson to campus. He has long been one to give second chances and that pattern will eventually get you burned. That's happening here and rightly so. A young woman was sexually assaulted and it's more than fair to suggest that Mark shouldn't have put such a student on campus.

- That this was reviewed by a group of administrators brings the athletic department and the university as a whole into the situation. A well run institution would not allow a coach to gather such a group and then have a say in an admissions process. There are lines between the university admissions process and a football program at well-run and ethically grounded institutions for a reason. Along with the Nassar situation, we clearly see the administrative problems at MSU. That disturbs me as an alumnus.

I'm one who does not believe that Blackwell's lawsuit has merit but also believes this points at a lack of administrative oversight of athletics. I think Dantonio (and Izzo) basically have no supervision, that was true with Hollis and Beekman is there to continue this pattern. Success, to a degree, earns you this right but supervision then needs to turn to ensuring that right continues to be earned through both success and clarity that the program must represent the university well. Blackwell is just blowing this up to try to make his case. But my takeaway, besides thinking Blackwell should be thankful he wasn't charged, is that Hollis had absolutely no control over the athletic department; Simon did not lead; Dantonio needed some checks and balances on the type of athlete he was willing to bring in; and we should all remember that the center of this story isn't Mark, Curtis, Auston, etc. It's young women being sexually assaulted on our beloved campus. No football victory is worth taking that risk.....

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Heathens '87 wrote:There is a lot of complexity here and it's challenging to know the "truth" given we're relying somewhat on memory and perceptions. That said...

- Blackwell was rightly dismissed. His mentoring relationship made him more of a friend and confidant with players, they were accused of criminal acts and his response was more to protect the players as opposed to the alleged victims, the program and the university as a whole.

- Dantonio made a mistake in bringing Robertson to campus. He has long been one to give second chances and that pattern will eventually get you burned. That's happening here and rightly so. A young woman was sexually assaulted and it's more than fair to suggest that Mark shouldn't have put such a student on campus.

- That this was reviewed by a group of administrators brings the athletic department and the university as a whole into the situation. A well run institution would not allow a coach to gather such a group and then have a say in an admissions process. There are lines between the university admissions process and a football program at well-run and ethically grounded institutions for a reason. Along with the Nassar situation, we clearly see the administrative problems at MSU. That disturbs me as an alumnus.

I'm one who does not believe that Blackwell's lawsuit has merit but also believes this points at a lack of administrative oversight of athletics. I think Dantonio (and Izzo) basically have no supervision, that was true with Hollis and Beekman is there to continue this pattern. Success, to a degree, earns you this right but supervision then needs to turn to ensuring that right continues to be earned through both success and clarity that the program must represent the university well. Blackwell is just blowing this up to try to make his case. But my takeaway, besides thinking Blackwell should be thankful he wasn't charged, is that Hollis had absolutely no control over the athletic department; Simon did not lead; Dantonio needed some checks and balances on the type of athlete he was willing to bring in; and we should all remember that the center of this story isn't Mark, Curtis, Auston, etc. It's young women being sexually assaulted on our beloved campus. No football victory is worth taking that risk.....


This is all fair and are my thoughts as well. The admin seems like it’s been a mess for many years now.
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Post by Banks2Mason on 2020-01-13, 10:17

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Heathens '87 wrote:There is a lot of complexity here and it's challenging to know the "truth" given we're relying somewhat on memory and perceptions. That said...

- Blackwell was rightly dismissed. His mentoring relationship made him more of a friend and confidant with players, they were accused of criminal acts and his response was more to protect the players as opposed to the alleged victims, the program and the university as a whole.

- Dantonio made a mistake in bringing Robertson to campus. He has long been one to give second chances and that pattern will eventually get you burned. That's happening here and rightly so. A young woman was sexually assaulted and it's more than fair to suggest that Mark shouldn't have put such a student on campus.

- That this was reviewed by a group of administrators brings the athletic department and the university as a whole into the situation. A well run institution would not allow a coach to gather such a group and then have a say in an admissions process. There are lines between the university admissions process and a football program at well-run and ethically grounded institutions for a reason. Along with the Nassar situation, we clearly see the administrative problems at MSU. That disturbs me as an alumnus.

I'm one who does not believe that Blackwell's lawsuit has merit but also believes this points at a lack of administrative oversight of athletics. I think Dantonio (and Izzo) basically have no supervision, that was true with Hollis and Beekman is there to continue this pattern. Success, to a degree, earns you this right but supervision then needs to turn to ensuring that right continues to be earned through both success and clarity that the program must represent the university well. Blackwell is just blowing this up to try to make his case. But my takeaway, besides thinking Blackwell should be thankful he wasn't charged, is that Hollis had absolutely no control over the athletic department; Simon did not lead; Dantonio needed some checks and balances on the type of athlete he was willing to bring in; and we should all remember that the center of this story isn't Mark, Curtis, Auston, etc. It's young women being sexually assaulted on our beloved campus. No football victory is worth taking that risk.....


This is all fair and are my thoughts as well. The admin seems like it’s been a mess for many years now.

Agreed with both of you. I've said for quite a while that the Nassar mess really revealed that the MSU admin and leadership was always just as incompetent and worthless as ever, but that Izzo (and later Dantonio) winning in the main revenue sports covered up a LOT of incompetence from the school and the AD.

Look no further than Klages and Joseph never being held accountable under Hollis, the collapse of the hockey program, etc.
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