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Post by Rocinante on 2020-03-23, 14:37

Thinking one party is more moral than the other is comical....

Actually one is. They both have problems but one is clearly more moral than the other. And it isn’t even close.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-23, 14:39

Rocinante wrote:Thinking one party is more moral than the other is comical....

Actually one is. They both have problems but one is clearly more moral than the other. And it isn’t even close.
yep.

one party supports "grab 'em by the pussy" and the mocking of disabled people. The other doesn't.
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-23, 14:41

Rocinante wrote:Thinking one party is more moral than the other is comical....

Actually one is. They both have problems but one is clearly more moral than the other. And it isn’t even close.

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Post by kingstonlake on 2020-03-23, 14:46

The Pantry wrote:Typical dem foot dragging. On the bright side, at least Hillary isn't in office.

They’re putting the finishing touches on how Mexico is gonna pay for it. Have a little patience.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-23, 14:52

hard to believe the Democrats don't wanna give a blank check to a guy who filed bankruptcy 5 times and promised his racist, bigoted following that "Mexico is gonna pay for it"... Coronavirus - The Political Side - Page 11 502811600
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Post by Turtleneck on 2020-03-23, 14:53

airline efficiency standards, Postal debt forgiveness,Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions, Expansion of wind and solar tax credits, Corporate Board diversity standards, early voting policy have to do with the issue at hand.

Not sure about airline efficiency standards either, IB. But some of that certainly makes sense to me. Especially early voting and voting by mail.

Early and mail voting makes sure that elections actually happen as scheduled. We have already seen this emergency disrupt the primary process, and this ensures we stay on track with elections as planned.

The bargaining and board standards, to me at least, ensures workers have a strengthened say during either (current or upcoming) contract negotiations, or corporate bailouts. This gives the actual workers power that they might not otherwise have. In terms of bargaining, the idea is to make sure workers still have a strong voice during negotiations at a time of crisis. Board standards will help give the workers voice in how bailout money is used. After the Federal Reserve made $1.5 trillion avaialbe to Wall Street for short terms loans, the Goldman Sachs CEO got a 19% raise. While short terms loans are not bailouts or money directly to firms, it echoed of the 2008 bailouts that did not get to workers as intended.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-23, 15:00

I hate to be 'that guy' - but the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and the GOP is going to try to find a way to cancel/postpone/dismiss the results of the election in November.
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Post by Rocinante on 2020-03-23, 15:02

I.B. Fine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:Thinking one party is more moral than the other is comical....

Actually one is. They both have problems but one is clearly more moral than the other. And it isn’t even close.

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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-23, 15:05

In the face of crisis, FDR had the New Deal to help suffering Americans. Now, @realdonaldtrump, you and your fellow Republicans are pushing the #SelfDeal. See the difference? - Hillary Clinton
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2020-03-23, 15:06

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I hate to be 'that guy' - but the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and the GOP is going to try to find a way to cancel/postpone/dismiss the results of the election in November.

I was thinking this for awhile. But I'm pretty sure he's going to pivot soon back into minimizing this to reinforce his messaging that it's time to get back to work and let the virus take its' course.

Maybe the 2nd wave will allow him to do that, but in the short term it's going to be back to no big deal.
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-23, 15:13

steveschneider wrote:In the face of crisis, FDR had the New Deal to help suffering Americans. Now, @realdonaldtrump, you and your fellow Republicans are pushing the #SelfDeal. See the difference? - Hillary Clinton

Is this kind of help you're looking for?
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-23, 15:16

Turtleneck wrote:
airline efficiency standards, Postal debt forgiveness,Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions, Expansion of wind and solar tax credits, Corporate Board diversity standards, early voting policy have to do with the issue at hand.

Not sure about airline efficiency standards either, IB. But some of that certainly makes sense to me. Especially early voting and voting by mail.

Early and mail voting makes sure that elections actually happen as scheduled. We have already seen this emergency disrupt the primary process, and this ensures we stay on track with elections as planned.

The bargaining and board standards, to me at least, ensures workers have a strengthened say during either (current or upcoming) contract negotiations, or corporate bailouts. This gives the actual workers power that they might not otherwise have. In terms of bargaining, the idea is to make sure workers still have a strong voice during negotiations at a time of crisis. Board standards will help give the workers voice in how bailout money is used. After the Federal Reserve made $1.5 trillion avaialbe to Wall Street for short terms loans, the Goldman Sachs CEO got a 19% raise. While short terms loans are not bailouts or money directly to firms, it echoed of the 2008 bailouts that did not get to workers as intended.
Great, if those are concerns, bring them up to be dealt with, early voting is not economic relief and conflating the 2 is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Post by Turtleneck on 2020-03-23, 15:43

I.B. Fine wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Not sure about airline efficiency standards either, IB. But some of that certainly makes sense to me. Especially early voting and voting by mail.

Early and mail voting makes sure that elections actually happen as scheduled. We have already seen this emergency disrupt the primary process, and this ensures we stay on track with elections as planned.

The bargaining and board standards, to me at least, ensures workers have a strengthened say during either (current or upcoming) contract negotiations, or corporate bailouts. This gives the actual workers power that they might not otherwise have. In terms of bargaining, the idea is to make sure workers still have a strong voice during negotiations at a time of crisis. Board standards will help give the workers voice in how bailout money is used. After the Federal Reserve made $1.5 trillion avaialbe to Wall Street for short terms loans, the Goldman Sachs CEO got a 19% raise. While short terms loans are not bailouts or money directly to firms, it echoed of the 2008 bailouts that did not get to workers as intended.
Great, if those are concerns, bring them up to be dealt with, early voting is not economic relief and conflating the 2 is exactly what I'm talking about.

What is your opposition to taking care of voting right now so it does not have to be dealt with later?
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-23, 16:09

Turtleneck wrote:
What is your opposition to taking care of voting right now so it does not have to be dealt with later?

I think they can and should be dealt with separately, and, I suspect, it is beyond Congressional authority to tell states how to run their elections, anyway.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-23, 16:13

Cameron wrote:I, for one, am shocked that neither democrats or republicans can or will get anything good done expeditiously in this time of crisis. It's almost like a government that has been largely gridlocked for at least a decade is incapable of nimble maneuvers.

I have seen some good proposals, from both Rs and Ds. But with McConnell and Pelosi running the show, none of those good ideas are likely to make it to actual legislation without a bunch of fuckery that changes the beneficiary from the American people to the corporations that own everything.

Pelosi isn't in the Senate.
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Post by Turtleneck on 2020-03-23, 16:32

I.B. Fine wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:
What is your opposition to taking care of voting right now so it does not have to be dealt with later?

I think they can and should be dealt with separately, and, I suspect, it is beyond Congressional authority to tell states how to run their elections, anyway.

However, Congress can provide the funds that allow states to move to voting by mail or early voting. This is about money, hence the reason it is part of the stimulus package. I fear the reason why people want this separated is so they can say no to securing election in a separate vote at a later date. Elections are critical. Do it now.
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Post by Rocinante on 2020-03-23, 17:11

I.B. Fine wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:
What is your opposition to taking care of voting right now so it does not have to be dealt with later?

I think they can and should be dealt with separately, and, I suspect, it is beyond Congressional authority to tell states how to run their elections, anyway.



That’s not true. Congress can pass laws mandating expanded vote by mail. It works, it will keep people safe, and it doesn’t benefit either party. Yes, higher turnout generally benefits Democrats, but if the virus is still around in the fall (likely), it will keep more older Americans away, so vote by mail is the right thing to do and must be done now in order to get in place by Election Day.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-23, 19:04

lemme guess..

the various mainstream media platforms are carrying the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator's white supremacist propaganda news conferences things?
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2020-03-23, 19:07

No idea. But based off of some of the tweets I'm seeing, looks like my 2 weeks estimate was way optimistic.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-23, 19:10

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:No idea. But based off of some of the tweets I'm seeing, looks like my 2 weeks estimate was way optimistic.
yeah - a lot of people are gonna die.

and that's the exact thing that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator wants to happen.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-23, 19:17

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:No idea. But based off of some of the tweets I'm seeing, looks like my 2 weeks estimate was way optimistic.
yeah - a lot of people are gonna die.

and that's the exact thing that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator wants to happen.

As I said earlier he can always lead by example. He should schedule a rally in a jam packed arena. If he wants everyone to get back out there lead the way.
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Post by Cameron on 2020-03-23, 20:12

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:I, for one, am shocked that neither democrats or republicans can or will get anything good done expeditiously in this time of crisis. It's almost like a government that has been largely gridlocked for at least a decade is incapable of nimble maneuvers.

I have seen some good proposals, from both Rs and Ds. But with McConnell and Pelosi running the show, none of those good ideas are likely to make it to actual legislation without a bunch of fuckery that changes the beneficiary from the American people to the corporations that own everything.

Pelosi isn't in the Senate.

I'm aware of that, steve. We have a bicameral system. McConnell leads the Senate, Pelosi leads the House. I'm not sure what you're trying to quibble with there. Would you like me to shit on Schumer as well? Because I'd be more than happy to.
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Post by NigelUno on 2020-03-23, 20:27

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Post by Rocinante on 2020-03-23, 20:59

Axlerod knows what he’s taking about. Democrats need to not take the bait.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-24, 05:53

I'm frankly surprised it took this long for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator to drive the country off the rails.

We all knew it was coming in November of 2016 Coronavirus - The Political Side - Page 11 502811600
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-24, 06:22

Reminder that republicans are advocating for socialism now that capitalism failed.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-24, 06:33

The racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and world renowned scientist says anti-malaria drug will combat the Coronavirus.

Man takes drug.

Man dies.

Sometimes the jokes write themselves.

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Post by NigelUno on 2020-03-24, 07:28

I didn’t hear much talk about the War last night. Halfway through a 15 day plan and he’s already bailed.

Downplayed it for 2 months. Then called it a war. Now will go back to downplaying it by mentioning car accidents.

Invoke the Defense Production Act (because of the War), but then don’t use it for political reasons.

He’ll take full credit for a $2 trillion plan, and then blame Governors for killing the economy/greatest comeback ever.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-24, 07:44

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Pelosi isn't in the Senate.  

I'm aware of that, steve. We have a bicameral system. McConnell leads the Senate, Pelosi leads the House. I'm not sure what you're trying to quibble with there. Would you like me to shit on Schumer as well? Because I'd be more than happy to.

It was Schumer that lead the charge to shut down the the terrible GOP bill. Pelosi is working with Mnuchin and I’m optimistic she will lead the way towards getting a bi-partisan bill to pass.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-24, 09:10

Hey Bob, you see what that pro-life Texas Christian said on Fucker Carlson last night?
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Post by kingstonlake on 2020-03-24, 09:28

Ok, Deborah Birx....

When asked about WHO tests that we don’t want to use she said there were rates of false positives and negatives and pretty sure she used 40% as a number. Preferred our own tests that were more accurate. Where did she get this percentage from? Who gave her the number? She didn’t go into what were the numbers on false positive and negatives? Why not? Certainly it would have been available.......Unless it was narrative bullshit. Is it possible the false positive are high and the death rate is somewhere around double what is being reported?
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-24, 10:48

steveschneider wrote:Hey Bob, you see what that pro-life Texas Christian said on Fucker Carlson last night?
yeah. You'd almost think they're not as much "pro-life" as they are "anti-woman"..

I'm just now starting to realize that.

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Post by Rocinante on 2020-03-24, 12:55

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/business/trump-coronavirus-economy.html

Just your daily reminder that the rich are ghouls feeding on the rotting corpse of postwar America.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2020-03-24, 14:31

Trump signals reopening the economy in time for an Easter egg hunt on Fox News.

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Let's hope he can be reigned in. Unless, of course, this all goes away in three weeks.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-24, 14:34

I love how his desire to open America back up for business coincides with some jesus-y day.. would be pretty funny if all of his racist, bigoted christian followers went to celebrate jesus that day and came back with the virus.
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Post by Floyd Robertson on 2020-03-24, 14:59

This is going to be like pulling the control rods out of the nuclear reactor too quickly.
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