The fuk? "Possible hate crime"??

I'm thinking they might be onto something. duh

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/viewart/20140721/NEWS01/307210035/Woman-assaulted-Meridian-Mall-civil-liberties-group-alleges-possible-hate-crime

DWags wrote:I'm thinking they might be into something.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/viewart/20140721/NEWS01/307210035/Woman-assaulted-Meridian-Mall-civil-liberties-group-alleges-possible-hate-crime

I hope you're questioning the "possible" part. It's pretty clear cut.

You're not condoning this?

Wow, the Food Court at noon? You'd think somebody would've jumped in to defend the woman.

I don't understand the hate crime specification, seems redundant. This was clearly assault and battery at least, not commonly confused with a display of affection, the perpetrators should have the book thrown at them and any witnesses that stood idly by should be ashamed.

Gomer wrote:
I hope you're questioning the "possible" part. It's pretty clear cut.

You're not condoning this?

Sorry, sarcasm didn't play well here. I'm saying fucking ay it's a hate crime. No investigation needed. I meant to say "onto" something sarcastically.

I.B. Fine wrote:I don't understand the hate crime specification, seems redundant. This was clearly assault and battery at least, not commonly confused with a display of affection, the perpetrators should have the book thrown at them and any witnesses that stood idly by should be ashamed.

Not sure what's to be confused about. If the people went after the woman because of who she is or what she was wearing, that seems pretty clear to me.
But let's wait til all the facts come out. Meridian Twp. PD is notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to, well, everything.

tGreenWay wrote:

Not sure what's to be confused about. If the people went after the woman because of who she is or what she was wearing, that seems pretty clear to me.
But let's wait til all the facts come out. Meridian Twp. PD is notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to, well, everything.

Seems cut and dry to me. But yeah, it's best to wait. There should be an "asshole" crime category. Two guys one girl trying to rip her garb off? The fukc.

DWags wrote:

Seems cut and dry to me. But yeah, it's best to wait. There should be an "asshole" crime category. Two guys one girl trying to rip her garb off? The fukc.

Nothing good happens in a mall food court after noon on a Saturday.

tGreenWay wrote:

Not sure what's to be confused about. If the people went after the woman because of who she is or what she was wearing, that seems pretty clear to me.
But let's wait til all the facts come out. Meridian Twp. PD is notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to, well, everything.  

By the same logic, if I walked into Walmart wearing my MSU sweatshirt and some fat dude in a soiled maize and blue t-shirt comes up and hits me, would that be a hate crime?, or just assault? and should the culprit be punished differently than if I had on a Red Wings jersey?
The line gets kinda blurry as to whether we are punishing people for what they are thinking instead of their actually actions which are already abundantly illegal and punishable.

tGreenWay wrote:

Nothing good happens in a mall food court after noon on a Saturday.  

Has anything good ever happened in a mall food court?

I.B. Fine wrote:

Has anything good ever happened in a mall food court?

I saw a fire at a Chinese place in one once while waiting on the wife and kids. That was cool.

DWags wrote:

I saw a fire at a Chinese place in one once while waiting on the wife and kids.  That was cool.

I'm sure it was followed by a 'special' on fried rice and smoked won tons   

DWags wrote:

I saw a fire at a Chinese place in one once while waiting on the wife and kids. That was cool.

I'm sure the staff was prepared, though, what with all of the Chinese fire drills.

I.B. Fine wrote:

Has anything good ever happened in a mall food court?

Touché.

I.B. Fine wrote:

By the same logic, if I walked into Walmart wearing my MSU sweatshirt and some fat dude in a soiled maize and blue t-shirt comes up and hits me, would that be a hate crime?, or just assault? and should the culprit be punished differently than if I had on a Red Wings jersey?
The line gets kinda blurry as to whether we are punishing people for what they are thinking instead of their actually actions which are already abundantly illegal and punishable.

While it's true that many of us follow our favorite teams religiously, my guess is you'd have a difficult time convincing Congress to make sports fans a protected class.

Witnessing technique by Westboro Baptist Church?

This seems like an easy assault and battery case. I myself don't like the hate crime designation, because malice always exists, and then you go down the road of making some crimes (which are identical in result to others) "more bad" based on the perceived motives determined by the prosecutor. Which, of course, is stupid.

But, until those silly "hate crime" designations exist, let's let these 3 people remain guests of the DOC for an extra 10 years a piece. I'm sure the extra time will teach them to love Muslims (and all other people too).   

Rodeo Burger wrote:This seems like an easy assault and battery case. I myself don't like the hate crime designation, because malice always exists, and then you go down the road of making some crimes (which are identical in result to others) "more bad" based on the perceived motives determined by the prosecutor. Which, of course, is stupid.

But, until those silly "hate crime" designations exist, let's let these 3 people remain guests of the DOC for an extra 10 years a piece. I'm sure the extra time will teach them to love Muslims (and all other people too).   

But it might keep them from procreating, so society wins a bit more.

We don't know why they did it, but at first read, it seems like they did pick on her for her dress. We'll see.

That food court is terrible.

I bet those dumbass motherfuckers are also proud tea party types.

NigelUno wrote:That food court is terrible.

Especially if you wear a veil evidently.

I was in the mall food court around this time. I even passed this lady as she was sitting near the entrance to the food court watching her small children run around as I was walking out of the mall. I walked out of the mall around that time. I must have JUST missed the assault. Had I been there I'm sure I would have either ended up in jail or the hospital for defending the victim. I feel so bad for her children for having witnessed that happen to her.

I bet they made up the entire story.

Izzo Court wrote:I bet they made up the entire story.

Cause white people wouldn't ever do something like that?

Maybe it's the lezbos making fake receipts, or the strippers accusing lacross players of rape. I have reached a point where I prefer to see some proof before I grab a pitchfork. If those crackers did the things described I hope they are punished.

Most shocking part of this story?


That the Meridian Mall is still open.

it should be a crime to actually go to the Meridian Mall..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:it should be a crime to actually go to the Meridian Mall..

Where else can you find Penny's, Yankee Candle and Cinnebon in one convenient location?

Izzo Court wrote:Maybe it's the lezbos making fake receipts, or the strippers accusing lacross players of rape.  I have reached a point where I prefer to see some proof before I grab a pitchfork.  If those crackers did the things described I hope they are punished.  

Mall should have security cameras/video.

Cym Jim wrote:
Where else can you find Penny's, Yankee Candle and Cinnebon in one convenient location?

I don't know.. where is the nearest Tea Party rally?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I don't know.. where is the nearest Tea Party rally?

We held one in my back yard last night. Only my wife could make it so we made love and drank Arnold Palmers.

MasonGuy wrote:

We held one in my back yard last night.  Only my wife could make it so we made love and drank Arnold Palmers.

How did they taste?

DWags wrote:

How did they taste?

She tasted great. My drink had a bit too much tea in it.

  

MasonGuy wrote:

She tasted great.  My drink had a bit too much tea in it.

  

MasonGuy wrote:

We held one in my back yard last night.  Only my wife could make it so we made love and drank Arnold Palmers.

nice..

I got back from a long bike ride and had a few Strohs at The Peanut Barrel.. was a good evening.

Bob,
I'm surprised you don't like craft beers. I'd think someone like yourself would support local, family owned breweries over massive corporate overlords like InBev.

InTenSity wrote:Bob,
I'm surprised you don't like craft beers. I'd think someone like yourself would support local, family owned breweries over massive corporate overlords like InBev.

I don't mind craft beers.. I order one up periodically..

I've just gotten to the point where the whole craft beer industry seems to take itself a little too seriously - and I don't want to peruse a menu of 100 craft beers and try to decide which one I'm in the mood for. I just want a beer and a few laughs with some friends. If I wanted to put that much thought into something, I'd consider getting another degree.

that's why I order a Hamm's at HopCat the 2-3 times I've been..   

I don't mind craft beers.. I order one up periodically.. 

I've just gotten to the point where the whole craft beer industry seems to take itself a little too seriously - and I don't want to peruse a menu of 100 craft beers and try to decide which one I'm in the mood for. I just want a beer and a few laughs with some friends. If I wanted to put that much thought into something, I'd consider getting another degree.

that's why I order a Hamm's at HopCat the 2-3 times I've been.

Fair enough. I know what type of beer I like, mainly between DIPA's and Belgian (doubel or tripel), so it doesn't take me that long. If I see a beer I'd like to try and haven't had a chance to, I'll order that. I just find them to be tasty, and a little more refreshing. Granted there are still times in which I'll order a PBR, or Miller Lite, but not too often. I don't see how the craft beer industry takes itself too seriously though, and I'm sure you will find snobs for every kind of alcohol, clothing, sporting, product out there.

InTenSity wrote:
Fair enough. I know what type of beer I like, mainly between DIPA's and Belgian (doubel or tripel), so it doesn't take me that long. If I see a beer I'd like to try and haven't had a chance to, I'll order that. I just find them to be tasty, and a little more refreshing. Granted there are still times in which I'll order a PBR, or Miller Lite, but not too often. I don't see how the craft beer industry takes itself too seriously though, and I'm sure you will find snobs for every kind of alcohol, clothing, sporting, product out there.

yeah - for every subculture there is - and the list is endless - you'll find the snobs.

I'm an IPA kind of guy - dig a good IPA. DIPA's are good, as well.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yeah - for every subculture there is - and the list is endless - you'll find the snobs.

I'm an IPA kind of guy - dig a good IPA. DIPA's are good, as well.

For every snob, you will find someone snobbier.

I am actively resisting that now a days. Used to snob with the best of them. Now I embrace Miller Lite and pop music from the 80s. Wal mart shoes... other stuff.