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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 14:00

Green Note wrote:http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702

Obama is using a false promise of something for nothing to gain control over the internet in US. Providers and big Obama supporters, like Comcast will then be able to "regulate" favorable terms for themselves. Focus will be to satisfy regulators and not customers.

Damn! 196 million in 1 year?!?! Oh wait, that is over 13 years, so it amounts to about 15 million a year. Can we get the numbers on what Comcast and TWC alone contributed in their fight against it? I'm guessing in 13 years its a lot higher than 200 million.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 14:17

Holy shit, this guys a fuckin comedian.

The FCC has “pried open the door to heavy-handed government regulation in a space celebrated for its free enterprise,” Michael Powell, president of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association trade group that has Comcast among its members, said in an e-mailed statement. “The commission has breathed new life into the decayed telephone regulatory model and applied it to the most dynamic, free- wheeling and innovative platform in history.”

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Rocinante on 2015-02-26, 14:35

Anyone who gets their information from one of those Examiner rags (owned by Anschutz to trumpet his business interests) is an idiot. Yes, I'm calling you an idiot Green Note.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 14:47

meh.. I can't see how this is going to impact my life. Seems like just a bunch of people whining because that's what they enjoy doing.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 14:53

Robert J Sakimano wrote:meh.. I can't see how this is going to impact my life. Seems like just a bunch of people whining because that's what they enjoy doing.
For starters, you won't have to pay extra for your daughter to have twitter.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 14:57

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For starters, you won't have to pay extra for your daughter to have twitter.
do I pay extra now? I don't really handle the billing department at Sakimano, Inc.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 15:10

Robert J Sakimano wrote:do I pay extra now? I don't really handle the billing department at Sakimano, Inc.

Morally I'm not sure what you're paying, but fiscally, no, you don't pay more. The basic premise that the ISP's wanted to do is charge companies extra in order to make sure that going to their site wasn't slowed down. Right now, you can go to any 'legal' site and it shouldn't matter where you go the speed should be the same. The theory is that you pay for Internet, well now Facebook has to pay to make sure people can get to their site, so the ISP's force Facebook to pay them, forcing Facebook to pass the cost on to the consumer.

Someone else who is better at explaining a Podcast can step in and try to explain it. I know you aren't quite that stupid, but at times you do want ELI5.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 15:15

InTenSity wrote:
Morally I'm not sure what you're paying, but fiscally, no, you don't pay more. The basic premise that the ISP's wanted to do is charge companies extra in order to make sure that going to their site wasn't slowed down. Right now, you can go to any 'legal' site and it shouldn't matter where you go the speed should be the same. The theory is that you pay for Internet, well now Facebook has to pay to make sure people can get to their site, so the ISP's force Facebook to pay them, forcing Facebook to pass the cost on to the consumer.

Someone else who is better at explaining a Podcast can step in and try to explain it. I know you aren't quite that stupid but at times you do want ELI5.
I think you're overestimating my intellect..

oh and what does ELI5 mean?

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 15:16

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think you're overestimating my intellect..

oh and what does ELI5 mean?

Explain like I'm 5

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 15:20

InTenSity wrote:
Explain like I'm 5
yeah the level of a 5 year old is usually sufficient. Though I'm still not certain what a podcast is. Seems like it's just kind of a interview with someone that you can listen to later..?

we called them "recordings" when I was a kid.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 15:22

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yeah the level of a 5 year old is usually sufficient. Though I'm still not certain what a podcast is. Seems like it's just kind of a interview with someone that you can listen to later..?

we called them "recordings" when I was a kid.
Although I've never listened to a podcast, imagine it like an MP3 or a digital song, only longer and yes, usually someone talking. I guess you could listen to blank nothingness as well though.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 15:27

InTenSity wrote:
Although I've never listened to a podcast, imagine it like an MP3 or a digital song, only longer and yes, usually someone talking. I guess you could listen to blank nothingness as well though.
I prefer vinyl.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-02-26, 15:30

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I prefer vinyl.
Imagine listening to someone talk over your record player then. Instead of the 3 seconds between songs there might be occasional 15 seconds of commercial.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 15:30

InTenSity wrote:
Imagine listening to someone talk over your record player then. Instead of the 3 seconds between songs there might be occasional 15 seconds of commercial.
yeah ok.. doesn't really seem like my kind of thing.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Rocinante on 2015-02-26, 15:32

Robert J Sakimano wrote:yeah ok.. doesn't really seem like my kind of thing.


Jesus Bob it's just a on-demand radio show.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-02-26, 15:37

Rocinante wrote:

Jesus Bob it's just a on-demand radio show.


I'm not sure that's what Fletch told me.. he tried to explain it to me once.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Rocinante on 2015-02-26, 16:30

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I'm not sure that's what Fletch told me.. he tried to explain it to me once.


Fletch dont speak your language like i do honey.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by The_Dude on 2015-02-26, 16:41

Rocinante wrote:Anyone who gets their information from one of those Examiner rags (owned by Anschutz to trumpet his business interests) is an idiot. Yes, I'm calling you an idiot Green Note.

Yeah and those liberal rags you go to are the beacon of truth lol
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Cym Jim on 2015-02-26, 18:09

Thanks Obama!
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Rocinante on 2015-02-26, 18:16

The_Dude wrote:

Yeah and those liberal rags you go to are the beacon of truth lol

Please name the liberal rags I read. Kthxbye

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Green Note on 2015-02-26, 19:11

Rocinante wrote:Anyone who gets their information from one of those Examiner rags (owned by Anschutz to trumpet his business interests) is an idiot. Yes, I'm calling you an idiot Green Note.

ah you truthers and your religion.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Green Note on 2015-02-26, 19:55

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/26/byron-allen-goes-to-war-with-sharpton-obama-comcast-for-future-of-black-media/

Views on Comcast. Allen asks some interesting questions.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by SpartanInNH on 2015-02-26, 21:47

Rocinante wrote:Anyone who gets their information from one of those Examiner rags (owned by Anschutz to trumpet his business interests) is an idiot. Yes, I'm calling you an idiot Green Note.

This. I saw the url and rolled my eyes. Cya.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Watch Out Pylon! on 2015-02-27, 16:46

Wait. People are actually against net neutrality? Or is this a case of anything tied to Obama is automatically bad?

Party line sheep are the worst.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Dr. Strangelove on 2015-04-09, 13:32

Shocker....they want to use Net Neutrality to put fees on Internet access. Looking at up to $11 billion a year in new charges.

FCC's net neutrality rules open door to new fee on Internet service

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by The_Dude on 2015-04-09, 14:13

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Shocker....they want to use Net Neutrality to put fees on Internet access. Looking at up to $11 billion a year in new charges.

FCC's net neutrality rules open door to new fee on Internet service

Giving the federal government more power is always the right thing to do! If you dissent, you are a racist bigot!
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-04-09, 14:17

meh.. doesn't matter to me.. there are larger issues to be concerned with.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by The_Dude on 2015-04-09, 14:20

Robert J Sakimano wrote:meh.. doesn't matter to me.. there are larger issues to be concerned with.


Like white cops systematically murdering unarmed black men
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2015-04-09, 14:51

The_Dude wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:Shocker....they want to use Net Neutrality to put fees on Internet access. Looking at up to $11 billion a year in new charges.

FCC's net neutrality rules open door to new fee on Internet service

Giving the federal government more power is always the right thing to do!  If you dissent, you are a racist bigot!
Because corporations are always looking for ways to save the consumer $, amirite?

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Heat Miser on 2015-04-09, 14:56

The_Dude wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:Shocker....they want to use Net Neutrality to put fees on Internet access. Looking at up to $11 billion a year in new charges.

FCC's net neutrality rules open door to new fee on Internet service

Giving the federal government more power is always the right thing to do! If you dissent, you are a racist bigot!

Yeah, if you actually read the article, this is a whole lot of nothing.

The same fee on your phone bill that brought phone service to rural America could possibly be added to your broadband bill to bring broadband service to rural America.

That's just fucking heresy!!! I am outraged!!! $3 dollars more per fucking month to surf porn?!?!?!? Outrageous!!!

You shouldn't let the media jerk your chain like that Dude. Just chill.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Turtleneck on 2016-06-14, 10:35

A federal appeals court has voted to uphold a series of strict new rules for Internet providers, handing a major victory to regulators in the fight over net neutrality and ensuring that one of the most sweeping changes to hit the industry in recent years will likely remain on the books.

The court ruling Tuesday forces Internet providers such as Verizon and Comcast to obey federal regulations that ban the blocking or slowing of Internet traffic to consumers. The regulations from the Federal Communications Commission also forbid carriers from selectively speeding up websites that agree to pay the providers a fee — a tactic critics have said could unfairly tilt the commercial playing field against startups and innovators who may not be able to afford it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/14/the-fcc-just-won-a-sweeping-victory-on-net-neutrality-in-federal-court/

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2016-06-14, 10:44

It appears now though, that the providers are going after the usage angle. Comcast just stealthily raised the limit from 250 gb/month to 1 TB/month, but changed the wording. Previously, if you went over the 250, you could buy 50 more for $10, that is the same, or you could pay an additional $30 for unlimited. They have taken that option away and capped it at billing no more than $200 a month if you use that much bandwidth.
The reason I hate shit like this, is Comcast is correct, right now, at this juncture, that is going to cover 99% of consumers. But they are jumping out in front of the big data hogs, like 4k streaming. I wish some of these companies were broken up, or there was someway to get more competition.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Floyd Robertson on 2017-04-26, 15:51

Well, that was fun while it lasted.

Trump’s FCC Chief Ajit Pai Just Launched His Attack Against Net Neutrality

Why not, collect and sell our data and then provide crappier internet speeds by diverting bandwidth big spenders.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Rocinante on 2017-04-26, 16:32

Floyd Robertson wrote:Well, that was fun while it lasted.

Trump’s FCC Chief Ajit Pai Just Launched His Attack Against Net Neutrality

Why not, collect and sell our data and then provide crappier internet speeds by diverting bandwidth big spenders.

Floyd, that is the most succinct and correct explanation of what this is all about in this whole thread. Thanks.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Floyd Robertson on 2017-05-08, 12:30

I haven't watched this yet, though it's at home on my DVR, so there's that caveat.

However, without even knowing the content, I'm all for whatever he says.  He effectively crashed the FCC site last night. While it's not on the FCC per se to fight legislation, there's no reason public comments can't be directed at them.



This is still a f'ed up hand we're being dealt.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by BleacherSwill on 2017-05-08, 17:42

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
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For starters, you won't have to pay extra for your daughter to have twitter.
do I pay extra now? I don't really handle the billing department at Sakimano, Inc.


Not convinced you handle paying the bills or doing the taxes either. But that's ok.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by GRR Spartan on 2017-05-08, 23:12

If there is money to be made this administration seems to be for it.

We are already limited by choices and despite the bullshit about free markets look no further than Lansing and East Lansing to see what an alternative to Comcast and ATT have to do to provide a faster, cheaper alternative.

Lightspeed has had to fight for easements.

Where I live and where most of the posters here live the cable providers have sweetheart deals with local municipalities so outfits like Lightspeed can't use existing power poles.

Have always thought ISP's should be a public utility like electric and water.
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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Rocinante on 2017-05-09, 16:00

gofccyourself.com

lol.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by InTenSity on 2017-05-18, 16:23

And Internet is no longer protected under Title II, or whatever. Thanks for looking out for the little guys, fucking republicans.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Floyd Robertson on 2017-05-18, 19:02

InTenSity wrote:And Internet is no longer protected under Title II, or whatever. Thanks for looking out for the little guys, fucking republicans.

It really sucks. Need to work on getting this changed in 2019.
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