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Post by Pervis Muldoon 2021-09-04, 16:02

Hello, Spartan fans! While you enjoyed the game from your casual, non-expert perspective, I spent twelve hours rewatching every play multiple times, then I compiled and triple-checked my notes on each player and coach so I could accurately evaluate all contributors from the standpoints of structure, game-planning, in-game adjustments, decision-making and execution. This enabled me to precisely deliver a pass/fail grade for the Michigan State football team as a whole. My grade for Game 1: pass.
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Post by tGreenWay 2021-09-04, 16:29

Pervis Muldoon wrote:Hello, Spartan fans!  While you enjoyed the game from your casual, non-expert perspective, I spent twelve hours rewatching every play multiple times, then I compiled and triple-checked my notes on each player and coach so I could accurately evaluate all contributors from the standpoints of structure, game-planning, in-game adjustments, decision-making and execution.  This enabled me to precisely deliver a pass/fail grade for the Michigan State football team as a whole. My grade for Game 1: pass.  



Sometimes a win isn’t a win, but after reading your evaluation, I’m fully on the side of: It was a win.
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Post by tGreenWay 2021-09-04, 16:31

Also, it’s this type of in-depth coverage that’s going to have Swillers everywhere asking themselves: White Boy Who?
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Post by Heat Miser 2021-09-04, 16:36

I need to raise Swill membership prices across the board for this uber premium content.
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2021-09-04, 17:10

Starting the season 1-0 is better than 0-1. That's my analysis. A+, five stars.
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Post by Nordic 2021-09-04, 17:22

Agree. Big Ten Champs.
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Post by kingstonlake 2021-09-04, 18:23

Never nervous Pervis is SPOT on.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2021-09-04, 18:38

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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2021-09-04, 22:10

Pervis Muldoon wrote:Hello, Spartan fans! While you enjoyed the game from your casual, non-expert perspective, I spent twelve hours rewatching every play multiple times, then I compiled and triple-checked my notes on each player and coach so I could accurately evaluate all contributors from the standpoints of structure, game-planning, in-game adjustments, decision-making and execution. This enabled me to precisely deliver a pass/fail grade for the Michigan State football team as a whole. My grade for Game 1: pass.
You just saved me multiple subscription fees... thanks man.
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Post by The Pantry 2021-09-04, 22:15

21 points against is not ideal.
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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-04, 22:18

The Pantry wrote:21 points against is not ideal.

Northwestern is going to dink and dunk their way to the 20s. The answer is to have an offense that can score in the 30s and up.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2021-09-04, 22:40

Thread of the year by the way
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2021-09-05, 00:21

steveschneider wrote:
The Pantry wrote:21 points against is not ideal.

Northwestern is going to dink and dunk their way to the 20s. The answer is to have an offense that can score in the 30s and up.

Also, we had a sizable lead most of the game (21 point lead at the time of each of their first two scores, and a 17 point lead with under 3 min to play at the time of their third TD). That is going to make a difference in how the D plays, both in terms of defensive play calling (we were playing a soft zone during all of their TD drives), personnel on the field (second and third stringers, especially on the last two TD drives), and the urgency/intensity of the players.
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Post by The Pantry 2021-09-05, 01:56

MiamiSpartan wrote:
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Northwestern is going to dink and dunk their way to the 20s. The answer is to have an offense that can score in the 30s and up.

Also, we had a sizable lead most of the game (21 point lead at the time of each of their first two scores, and a 17 point lead with under 3 min to play at the time of their third TD). That is going to make a difference in how the D plays, both in terms of defensive play calling (we were playing a soft zone during all of their TD drives), personnel on the field (second and third stringers, especially on the last two TD drives), and the urgency/intensity of the players.
Will that take on defense be acceptable getting to the playoff? Sounds lame to me.
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Post by Heat Miser 2021-09-05, 02:01

The Pantry wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Northwestern is going to dink and dunk their way to the 20s. The answer is to have an offense that can score in the 30s and up.

Also, we had a sizable lead most of the game (21 point lead at the time of each of their first two scores, and a 17 point lead with under 3 min to play at the time of their third TD). That is going to make a difference in how the D plays, both in terms of defensive play calling (we were playing a soft zone during all of their TD drives), personnel on the field (second and third stringers, especially on the last two TD drives), and the urgency/intensity of the players.
Will that take on defense be acceptable getting to the playoff? Sounds lame to me.

Playoff? The ceiling here is 9-3 bruh.
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Post by The Pantry 2021-09-05, 02:10

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The Pantry wrote:Will that take on defense be acceptable getting to the playoff? Sounds lame to me.

Playoff? The ceiling here is 9-3 bruh.
I'm speaking ideally. Why set the bar low?
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Post by Heat Miser 2021-09-05, 02:18

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Heat Miser wrote:
The Pantry wrote:Will that take on defense be acceptable getting to the playoff? Sounds lame to me.

Playoff? The ceiling here is 9-3 bruh.
I'm speaking ideally. Why set the bar low?

9-3 is actually a pretty high bar. 7-5ish is more realistic.
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Post by The Pantry 2021-09-05, 02:27

Heat Miser wrote:
The Pantry wrote:I'm speaking ideally. Why set the bar low?

9-3 is actually a pretty high bar. 7-5ish is more realistic.
I mean, a standard/precedent carried forward in coming seasons. Look at Alabama. Satan never takes his foot off the gas either side of the ball.
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Post by Heat Miser 2021-09-05, 02:42

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Heat Miser wrote:
The Pantry wrote:I'm speaking ideally. Why set the bar low?

9-3 is actually a pretty high bar. 7-5ish is more realistic.
I mean, a standard/precedent carried forward in coming seasons. Look at Alabama. Satan never takes his foot off the gas either side of the ball.

Saban's 2 deep is littered with 1st round draft picks. We have 1 transfer from there. CMT has a few recruiting classes to go before we're even within shouting distance of tO$U, let alone 'Bama. Conklin, Cook & company, + a top 5 D ain't walking thru that door this year...or next year.
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Post by The Pantry 2021-09-05, 02:58

Heat Miser wrote:
The Pantry wrote:I mean, a standard/precedent carried forward in coming seasons. Look at Alabama. Satan never takes his foot off the gas either side of the ball.

Saban's 2 deep is littered with 1st round draft picks. We have 1 transfer from there. CMT has a few recruiting classes to go before we're even within shouting distance of tO$U, let alone 'Bama. Conklin, Cook & company, + a top 5 D ain't walking thru that door this year...or next year.
Can't build anything without a solid foundation. Dantonio set the footing. Up to Mel to build on it.
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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-05, 06:28

Heat Miser wrote:
The Pantry wrote:I'm speaking ideally. Why set the bar low?

9-3 is actually a pretty high bar. 7-5ish is more realistic.

At this point and time I’d be stoked with an 8 win season that includes a win over Michigan.
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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-05, 06:34

MiamiSpartan wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Northwestern is going to dink and dunk their way to the 20s. The answer is to have an offense that can score in the 30s and up.

Also, we had a sizable lead most of the game (21 point lead at the time of each of their first two scores, and a 17 point lead with under 3 min to play at the time of their third TD). That is going to make a difference in how the D plays, both in terms of defensive play calling (we were playing a soft zone during all of their TD drives), personnel on the field (second and third stringers, especially on the last two TD drives), and the urgency/intensity of the players.

Having a potent offense is a thing of beauty. I also think we will see the qb and receivers connect a little better on some of those deeper passes we saw Friday night.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2021-09-05, 08:46

The Pantry wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

Also, we had a sizable lead most of the game (21 point lead at the time of each of their first two scores, and a 17 point lead with under 3 min to play at the time of their third TD). That is going to make a difference in how the D plays, both in terms of defensive play calling (we were playing a soft zone during all of their TD drives), personnel on the field (second and third stringers, especially on the last two TD drives), and the urgency/intensity of the players.
Will that take on defense be acceptable getting to the playoff? Sounds lame to me.

If we have a 21 point lead any time we give up a TD, or only let teams get within less than 21 points with 3 min left in the game, then yes, I'd say that puts us in a pretty good position for the playoffs.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2021-09-05, 08:55

The Pantry wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Saban's 2 deep is littered with 1st round draft picks. We have 1 transfer from there. CMT has a few recruiting classes to go before we're even within shouting distance of tO$U, let alone 'Bama. Conklin, Cook & company, + a top 5 D ain't walking thru that door this year...or next year.
Can't build anything without a solid foundation.  Dantonio set the footing.  Up to Mel to build on it.

The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-05, 09:02

MiamiSpartan wrote:
The Pantry wrote:Will that take on defense be acceptable getting to the playoff? Sounds lame to me.

If we have a 21 point lead any time we give up a TD, or only let teams get within less than 21 points with 3 min left in the game, then yes, I'd say that puts us in a pretty good position for the playoffs.

The TDS we gave up NW had to fight for every yard and ate up a lot of clock. With that lead we had I’ll take it. The start of second half we gave up that one huge run that was unfortunate but I think they came up empty that drive. With a traditional Dantonio offense this game is more of a nail biter with Treasel ball. Those days were great but the program is heading in the right direction for the current times.
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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-05, 09:05

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Can't build anything without a solid foundation.  Dantonio set the footing.  Up to Mel to build on it.

The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

Pantry is also arguing in another thread rutabaga is what makes a pasty. Rated above the crust and the beef?? Rutabaga and his game take are two hills I wouldn’t want to die on.
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Post by DWags 2021-09-05, 10:29

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Can't build anything without a solid foundation.  Dantonio set the footing.  Up to Mel to build on it.

The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

Dantonio woke up a sleeping giant he proved to America that Michigan State is capable of winning the Big Ten on the regular he did things that no other coach including the great Nick Saban could do at Michigan State he proved to both coaches and recruits that it’s able to be done at our school. His final years here where a shit show, but he rattled the big boy cages and he made a name for Michigan State that nobody else could do
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Post by Motown Spartan 2021-09-05, 10:40

steveschneider wrote:
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The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

Pantry is also arguing in another thread rutabaga is what makes a pasty. Rated above the crust and the beef?? Rutabaga and his game take are two hills I wouldn’t want to die on.

He's right about the rutabaga. It's the key ingredient to a good pasty. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Post by DWags 2021-09-05, 10:43

Motown Spartan wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Pantry is also arguing in another thread rutabaga is what makes a pasty. Rated above the crust and the beef?? Rutabaga and his game take are two hills I wouldn’t want to die on.

He's right about the rutabaga. It's the key ingredient to a good pasty. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Is it a pasty without rutabaga? Or is it just a meat pie?
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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-05, 10:44

DWags wrote:
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The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

Dantonio woke up a sleeping giant he proved to America that Michigan State is capable of winning the Big Ten on the regular he did things that no other coach including the great Nick Saban could do at Michigan State he proved to both coaches and recruits that it’s able to be done at our school. His final years here where a shit show, but he rattled the big boy cages and he made a name for Michigan State that nobody else could do

From the onset if some magic genie told me all I’d get with dantonio including the final years that were a shit show I’d take it in a heartbeat. IMO tressel ball rans it’s course and he lost the energy for the job. As of now I welcome the fresh approach of Mel and happy the university is putting some cash into the program. Hope the new AD can improve the SS game day experience. Huge pocket of opportunity there. With the right approach we could have a very raucous and vibrant stadium. We topped the party school list in Playboy magazine when I went there. Let’s use this to our advantage.
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Post by duffy munn 2021-09-05, 10:51

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The Pantry wrote:
Can't build anything without a solid foundation.  Dantonio set the footing.  Up to Mel to build on it.

The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

You may want to do some research about MSU football from 1967 to 2007.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2021-09-05, 11:19

duffy munn wrote:
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The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

You may want to do some research about MSU football from 1967 to 2007.
Agree... largest success in 40 years, then 2 down years does not equal "destroyed foundation"...
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2021-09-05, 11:20

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If we have a 21 point lead any time we give up a TD, or only let teams get within less than 21 points with 3 min left in the game, then yes, I'd say that puts us in a pretty good position for the playoffs.

The TDS we gave up NW had to fight for every yard and ate up a lot of clock. With that lead we had I’ll take it. The start of second half we gave up that one huge run that was unfortunate but I think they came up empty that drive. With a traditional Dantonio offense this game is more of a nail biter with Treasel ball. Those days were great but the program is heading in the right direction for the current times.

Steve, what is Dantonio's traditional offense, what is Tressel ball, and how would that have made the game closer?


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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2021-09-05, 11:21

"Destroyed foundation" is a generation of kids who haven't seen a program have success.
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Post by Motown Spartan 2021-09-05, 11:31

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He's right about the rutabaga. It's the key ingredient to a good pasty. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Is it a pasty without rutabaga? Or is it just a meat pie?

Meat pie. On a similar note, my MIL makes a pasty pie. Think a cherry pie but instead a cherry filling it's pasty mix. It's good and hard to get right because the crust to filling ratio is off and the crust can get soggy from the mixture producing to much moisture.
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Post by The Pantry 2021-09-05, 12:44

Motown Spartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

Is it a pasty without rutabaga? Or is it just a meat pie?

Meat pie. On a similar note, my MIL makes a pasty pie. Think a cherry pie but instead a cherry filling it's pasty mix. It's good and hard to get right because the crust to filling ratio is off and the crust can get soggy from the mixture producing to much moisture.
My mom made pasty pie using remaining dough and filling after making a batch. Pyrex pie dish. No dough on the bottom, just filling topped with dough. Was very good.

Pasty shipped from Lawry's is odd. Don't know how they bake them before freezing. No slit in the dough to let moisture out. When you reheat them from frozen (375° for 75 minutes, per their instructions) the bottom gets excessively soggy to the point they leak. Tried slitting them before putting in the oven but the bottom is still soggy. Not sure if I'll order them again.



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Post by Rocinante 2021-09-05, 12:54

Guys. Wear your swill masks. Keep your shitty DSFs from infecting other threads.
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Post by steveschneider 2021-09-05, 13:31

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The TDS we gave up NW had to fight for every yard and ate up a lot of clock. With that lead we had I’ll take it. The start of second half we gave up that one huge run that was unfortunate but I think they came up empty that drive. With a traditional Dantonio offense this game is more of a nail biter with Treasel ball. Those days were great but the program is heading in the right direction for the current times.

Steve, what is Dantonio's traditional offense, what is Tressel ball, and how would that have made the game closer?

I'd agree with this definition.

"Tressel-ball" to many Ohio State fans means coaching in a conservative manner that relies on a stout defense and good special teams while minimizing offensive mistakes to win football games. "

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/291729-tressel-ball-under-fire-bad-coaching-equals-bad-offense

If we see Tressel ball last Friday the name of the game would have been to shell up on offense run the ball and eat up minutes and punt. Probably would have been content to hang in the 20's and try to win it with defense from the second quarter out.


Also, with Tressel ball the offense isn't that mixed up and predictable. Gives the opposing defense an advantage.
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Program was a mess when tucker came in and it’s not really debatable but y’all can have your opinions about the glory years before said mess Grading Michigan State Football 969504605
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The fuck are you talking about in this entire thread? Playoffs? Alabama? Dantonio destroyed any foundation before he left in case you weren’t paying attention.

“Up to Mel to build on it” Grading Michigan State Football 502811600 back to you in the studio, Steve.

Dantonio woke up a sleeping giant he proved to America that Michigan State is capable of winning the Big Ten on the regular he did things that no other coach including the great Nick Saban could do at Michigan State he proved to both coaches and recruits that it’s able to be done at our school. His final years here where a shit show, but he rattled the big boy cages and he made a name for Michigan State that nobody else could do

Yeah, not sure why some super fans can’t acknowledge both that he built us up and tore us down but the emotional investment may block people from thinking logically about the last few years he was here. Fair. We are humans.
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