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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 14:23

Should be fun. And yet they're not on the unhappy list. scratch

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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 14:26

I don't see anything wrong with government-sponsored killing.. I mean, China, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran all do it.. and I know how much we admire those countries.

also, I think it would make jesus really happy. sign me up in full support of it - if it's good enough for ISIS, it's good enough for Utah.
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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 14:29

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I don't see anything wrong with government-sponsored killing.. I mean, China, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran all do it.. and I know how much we admire those countries.

also, I think it would make jesus really happy. sign me up in full support of it - if it's good enough for ISIS, it's good enough for Utah.

It certainly is cheaper than lethal injection & the chair. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
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Post by LoneWolfSparty 2015-03-11, 14:38

I'm in. I volunteer to pull the trigger.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 14:52

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It certainly is cheaper than lethal injection & the chair. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
great point - and as someone who values money over the sanctity of human life, again, I'm all for it.

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Post by Rodeo Burger 2015-03-11, 15:00

They'll switch back to Sparky when members of the firing squad all go on disability for PTSD.
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Post by tTito 2015-03-11, 15:03

Rodeo Burger wrote:They'll switch back to Sparky when members of the firing squad all go on disability for PTSD.

The plan is to use 12-year-old captured ISIS fighters, so no worries about PTSD.
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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 15:03

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Heat Miser wrote:

It certainly is cheaper than lethal injection & the chair. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
great point - and as someone who values money over the sanctity of human life, again, I'm all for it.

For/against death penalty is a separate discussion. Assuming the DP is allowed, why not firing squad? Let's bring back the executioner and his giant axe Henry VIII style. Or Madame Guillotine. How about a tree shredder? Could probably rent one for $150/day & the remains go straight to the compost heap. Everybody wins.

Why is lethal injection or the chair considered to be "more humane"? Because there's no blood and the body isn't mutilated? Is it easier on our consciences to do the killing that way? Full of holes or full of poison, they're still dead. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 15:04

Rodeo Burger wrote:They'll switch back to Sparky when members of the firing squad all go on disability for PTSD.

I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 15:08

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For/against death penalty is a separate discussion. Assuming the DP is allowed, why not firing squad? Let's bring back the executioner and his giant axe Henry VIII style. Or Madame Guillotine. How about a tree shredder? Could probably rent one for $150/day & the remains go straight to the compost heap. Everybody wins.

Why is lethal injection or the chair considered to be "more humane"? Because there's no blood and the body isn't mutilated? Is it easier on our consciences to do the killing that way? Full of holes or full of poison, they're still dead. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
because we're America and are fully participatory in selective moral outrage... I think that for some people it helps them sleep at night when they know that their government murdered someone in what they believe to be a more "peaceful" fashion.. Rolling Eyes

and, not shockingly, it's usually religious people.
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Post by Ass Dan 2015-03-11, 15:09

Heat Miser wrote:

I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.

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Post by The Pantry 2015-03-11, 15:09

Heat Miser wrote:

I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.
I've heard that's a fallacy because shooters can generally tell the difference between a blank and a live round.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 15:10

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I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.
I like how our government is open to murdering its own citizens but doesn't want the person who actually does the killing to feel bad about it.. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 502811600
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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 15:19

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Heat Miser wrote:

I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.
I've heard that's a fallacy because shooters can generally tell the difference between a blank and a live round.

Makes sense. I wouldn't know.

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I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.
I like how our government is open to murdering its own citizens but doesn't want the person who actually does the killing to feel bad about it.. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 502811600

I don't think anybody is forced to do it. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in Utah willing to volunteer to be on the firing squad. They'd probably bring their own guns & ammo. Talk about economical. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 15:20

Heat Miser wrote:

Makes sense. I wouldn't know.



I don't think anybody is forced to do it. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in Utah willing to volunteer to be on the firing squad. They'd probably bring their own guns & ammo. Talk about economical. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
I'm sure there are plenty of good, god-fearin' folks who would love nothing more than to kill someone.

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Post by Rodeo Burger 2015-03-11, 15:23

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I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.

I do know that. And I think the entire firing squad will eventually claim disability because of it.
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Post by InTenSity 2015-03-11, 15:29

In Utah they used volunteer police for the firing squad. 5 man squad, 4 live rounds and 1 blank. If you volunteer to do something like that, I'm not sure how you can claim disability later. It is basically signing up, with the intent to be part of a team that executes an immobile person from a distance of 10 feet or so. They might get disability, but probably not from doing this, unless they are forced to for some reason.
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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 15:29

Rodeo Burger wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but not everyone has live bullets, so you never know if you're the one that did the actual killing.

I do know that. And I think the entire firing squad will eventually claim disability because of it.

Are they different than the guy who pulls the lever on Old Sparky? Or the doctor that does the injection?

I assume they would use people who have been trained to shoot guns...at other people. They're doing what they've chosen to be trained to do. Maybe you're right. Maybe Utah hasn't really thought this through. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 2599972566
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Post by HT 2015-03-11, 15:32

Honestly, a bullet to the head is more humane than the other methods of the death penalty. I have no problem with a firing squad.
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Post by InTenSity 2015-03-11, 15:34

SpartanHT wrote:Honestly, a bullet to the head is more humane than the other methods of the death penalty. I have no problem with a firing squad.

They shoot for the heart.
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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 15:35

SpartanHT wrote:Honestly, a bullet to the head is more humane than the other methods of the death penalty. I have no problem with a firing squad.

Except they aim for the heart, which is not always fool proof, but probably more fool proof than a botched 2 hour lethal injection.
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Post by Guest 2015-03-11, 15:40

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of good, god-fearin' folks who would love nothing more than to kill someone.


I love how outraged you are over cold blooded killers getting their just desserts. you keep defending them, I'll be happy to shoot them.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 15:41

what would be really cool would be to see the look on the face of the god-fearin' conservatives when a guy was just about ready to carry out the lords work and murder someone.. and right before he did it, he yelled "ALLAH AKBHAR"!!!
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 15:42

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I love how outraged you are over cold blooded killers getting their just desserts. you keep defending them, I'll be happy to shoot them.
yeah - I feel so guilty about consistently respecting the sanctity of human life. I don't know how I sleep at night.

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Post by Heat Miser 2015-03-11, 15:44

Robert J Sakimano wrote:what would be really cool would be to see the look on the face of the god-fearin' conservatives when a guy was just about ready to carry out the lords work and murder someone.. and right before he did it, he yelled "ALLAH AKBHAR"!!!

Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 502811600 They can't kill our people! Only WE can kill our people!!!
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 15:47

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exactly, I bet the hate wires in the minds of conservatives would be permanently damaged if the one Muslim in Utah murdered someone on behalf of the government yelling "Allah Akbhar"!!
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Post by CheesySpartan 2015-03-11, 15:54

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exactly, I bet the hate wires in the minds of conservatives would be permanently damaged if the one Muslim in Utah murdered someone on behalf of the government yelling "Allah Akbhar"!!  

So what should we do with these POS?  Lock them away from society for 50+ years at $40K/year to the taxpayer?  Who the hell is that benefiting?
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Post by Green Note 2015-03-11, 15:59

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
because we're America and are fully participatory in selective moral outrage... I think that for some people it helps them sleep at night when they know that their government murdered someone in what they believe to be a more "peaceful" fashion..  Rolling Eyes



and, not shockingly, it's usually religious people.

Murder has a definition and you don't know it.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 16:01

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So what should we do with these POS?  Lock them away from society for 50+ years at $40K/year to the taxpayer?  Who the hell is that benefiting?
and that's the problem - we live in a society where people value money more than they do the life of a human being.

now if America and it's murder-happy citizens just came out and said, "ya know, I want to be more like Iran.. or Iraq.. or China.. where they determine, as a government, who should and shouldn't live".. and stop with the "we're some shining beacon of light, hope and goodness in god's gentle pastures" nonsense, I'd have a lot more respect for them. At least they would be morally consistent.


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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 16:01

Green Note wrote:

Murder has a definition and you don't know it.
okay..
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Post by CheesySpartan 2015-03-11, 16:03

Green Note wrote:

Murder has a definition and you don't know it.

Yeah we've been over this with Bob before. There is the actual definition of murder and then there is Bobs Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 294152859
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Post by Green Note 2015-03-11, 16:04

On a related note, there should be an auction for the right to put a round in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
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CheesySpartan wrote:

Yeah we've been over this with Bob before. There is the actual definition of murder and then there is Bobs Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 294152859

What is Bob's first language?
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CheesySpartan wrote:

Yeah we've been over this with Bob before. There is the actual definition of murder and then there is Bobs Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 294152859
my reckless disregard for the death penalty makes me such a bad christian.. Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution 502811600 Wink
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Post by CheesySpartan 2015-03-11, 16:09

Robert J Sakimano wrote:and that's the problem - we live in a society where people value money more than they do the life of a human being.

now if America and it's murder-happy citizens just came out and said, "ya know, I want to be more like Iran.. or Iraq.. or China.. where they determine, as a government, who should and shouldn't live".. and stop with the "we're some shining beacon of light, hope and goodness in god's gentle pastures" nonsense, I'd have a lot more respect for them. At least they would be morally consistent.



So you're saying it is better to keep them alive and locked away with no chance of ever making a positive contribution to society regardless of cost? Then per usual we agree to disagree and I'm ok with that...
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Post by tTy 2015-03-11, 16:09

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They shoot for the heart.

And you're to blame!!!
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Post by tTy 2015-03-11, 16:11

Green Note wrote:On a related note, there should be an auction for the right to put a round in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Pay per view.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2015-03-11, 16:11

CheesySpartan wrote:

So you're saying it is better to keep them alive and locked away with no chance of ever making a positive contribution to society regardless of cost?  Then per usual we agree to disagree and I'm ok with that...
yes, as someone who values life - all life - that's what I'm saying. I'm cool with disagreeing.. at least we don't get banned here for disagreeing with people.

oh - and if we invested money in people on the front end of life, I suspect we'd be less likely to need to invest money on them in correctional facilities.

but that's for another thread, I guess.


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tTy wrote:

And you're to blame!!!

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