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Post by tGreenWay on 2015-12-02, 14:34

Active shooter(s) in San Bernadino. Possibly 21 victims (conditions unknown).

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 14:51

weekly? But our goal is daily.. we'll have to see what we can do about that.

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Post by Dr. Strangelove on 2015-12-02, 14:53

Can't wait for our petulant President to lecture America on guns again - that never gets old. I only hope that Hillary picks up that torch and makes gun control a leading issue of her campaign - that's always a winner for Democrats.


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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 14:55

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Can't wait for our petulant President to lecture America on guns again - that never gets old. I only hope that Hillary picks up that torch and makes gun control a leading issue of her campaign - that's always a winner for Democrats.

the NRA laughs itself all the way to the bank - which is why they enjoy mass shootings. They prey upon their intellectually vulnerable followers - usually mention something about the black man in the White House to make sure their bigoted/racist bases are covered..

and, right on cue, the mouth-breathing and knuckle-dragging target audience run to the gun shops..

it's a pretty brilliant strategy in terms of money-making schemes.. unfortunately, though, they have to rely on the senseless murder of innocent people to pull it off. They just see it as collateral damage, though.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 14:57

oh - and, of course, I'll pray for the victims and their families... since that seems to help.
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Post by tGreenWay on 2015-12-02, 15:00

CNN says there are 1-3 shooters. Early reports are always fluid. I wonder if it's a crazed lunatic or a coordinated act of terrorism.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:02

tGreenWay wrote:CNN says there are 1-3 shooters. Early reports are always fluid. I wonder if it's a crazed lunatic or a coordinated act of terrorism.
white guy: perpetrator is likely emotionally disturbed and kept to himself a lot.
non-white guy: terrorism or someone involved in #BlackLivesMatter

that's the general formula for the media narrative.

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Post by tGreenWay on 2015-12-02, 15:17

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:CNN says there are 1-3 shooters. Early reports are always fluid. I wonder if it's a crazed lunatic or a coordinated act of terrorism.
white guy: perpetrator is likely emotionally disturbed and kept to himself a lot.
non-white guy: terrorism or someone involved in #BlackLivesMatter

that's the general formula for the media narrative.


Pretty much.

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Post by steveschneider on 2015-12-02, 15:19

I'm seeing two white guys.

My early guess two right winger nuts.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:19

I think the NRA just found this year's Christmas card..



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Post by kingstonlake on 2015-12-02, 15:19

I'm sure this thread will be so much more different than the other gun threads
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Post by steveschneider on 2015-12-02, 15:20

Seeing reports of IEDs
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:20

steveschneider wrote:I'm seeing two white guys.

My early guess two right winger nuts.
who knows.. not that it matters all that much. Violence is violence.

It sounds like it was at a social services center which either housed or helped trained physically/mentally disabled. Early reports are always sketchy.
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Post by kingstonlake on 2015-12-02, 15:25

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think the NRA just found this year's Christmas card..




See. There's some original thought right there
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Post by steveschneider on 2015-12-02, 15:27

steveschneider wrote:I'm seeing two white guys.

My early guess two right winger nuts.

betting its one shooter. early reports of multiple shooters are almost always wrong.

http://www.onthemedia.org/story/breaking-news-consumers-handbook-pdf/

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Post by Dr. Strangelove on 2015-12-02, 15:29

It was a gun free zone. It's always helpful to advertise to shooters that they won't get shot back at until the cops show. Then again it's California and they make open carry and concealed carry extraordinarily difficult.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:31

clearly the answer is more guns..

The Washington Post: There Are Now More Guns Than People in the United States
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Post by StylesGShmooth on 2015-12-02, 15:34

Well obviously we need more guns.  We're never gonna get all these shootings to stop until we have more guns on the streets.
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Post by StylesGShmooth on 2015-12-02, 15:34

Damn it, Bob.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:37

StylesGShmooth wrote:Damn it, Bob.
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maybe "thoughts and prayers" would help?

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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 15:37

StylesGShmooth wrote:Well obviously we need more guns.  We're never gonna get all these shootings to stop until we have more guns on the streets.

Of course this and all of Bob's post ignore the actual fact that as the number of guns in the US has risen the number of murders using guns has fallen by half.

Facts like that don't make the vaginas quiver like "ooh the scary NRA"......

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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 15:39

CA has registration, tests, waiting periods, magazine limits, universal background checks, “assault weapons” ban.

ALL of the liberal talking points are already in force there...so the only thing left is confiscation. Good luck with that.

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Post by Vlad on 2015-12-02, 15:41

(Not really related to today's San Bernadino tragedy, which is still unfolding.)

I really do try to understand the perspective of gun nuts. It all boils down to:

1. they don't trust their government.
2. they don't trust law enforcement, which is part of the government.
3. they don't trust ordinary citizens (because ordinary citizens might have guns).
4. but they want the rest of us to trust them with their guns.

Sorry, I don't understand.

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Post by tGreenWay on 2015-12-02, 15:43

steveschneider wrote:I'm seeing two white guys.

My early guess two right winger nuts.

Those are cops. So, you're probably right.

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Post by tGreenWay on 2015-12-02, 15:43

I kid. I kid.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 15:43

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000

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Post by Rocinante on 2015-12-02, 15:44

This is really strange. It's not fitting the usual narrative of these events. 1-3 gunmen.  Bomb squad on scene, gunmen escaped prior to the police arriving.  Yet everybody's just milling around the scene as though nothing's going on.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 15:46

What is UP since the 1993 Peak is the 24 hour news cycle and the demand for programming to draw eyeballs.

Thus the "mass shooters" got wall to wall coverage. Spawning more mass shooters. Does anyone recall how the number of streakers plunged once they stopped showing them on television? Same thing, give them coverage and the nuts will seek the notoriety.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:46

Vlad wrote:(Not really related to today's San Bernadino tragedy, which is still unfolding.)

I really do try to understand the perspective of gun nuts. It all boils down to:

1. they don't trust their government.
2. they don't trust law enforcement, which is part of the government.
3. they don't trust ordinary citizens (because ordinary citizens might have guns).
4. but they want the rest of us to trust them with their guns.

Sorry, I don't understand.
no - you actually understand it quite well.

They react to fear, paranoia and emotion.. and, often, bigotry and racism. And they have one big entity - the NRA - which manipulates these emotions quite well to their economic advantage.

look at it this way: if last week's Planned Parenhood murders and today's murders were committed by brown people with bombs, they'd demand action. Instead, they're committed by people with guns so, of course, they can't demand action because the NRA has conditioned their vacuous intellect to believe otherwise.
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Post by tGreenWay on 2015-12-02, 15:48

steveschneider wrote:Seeing reports of IEDs


Seeing reports of Somali pirates taking control of control room at San Berdu nuclear power plant.

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Post by StylesGShmooth on 2015-12-02, 15:54

Gun Violence dropped tremendously from its peak in the early 90s to 2000 due to the end of the crack epidemic.  Stayed more or less static as it had before the spike in the late 80s early 90s We're back on the rise, but yes we are much lower than the peak.  Lies, damn lies and statistics.

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Post by StylesGShmooth on 2015-12-02, 15:56

Look, I like my toys too but we can clearly see what we have now is not working, right?
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2015-12-02, 15:56

so far, Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee have tweeted out "thoughts and prayers".. Hillary tweeted "I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now"..

what the hell is wrong with her? Shouldn't she just stick to sending out "thoughts and prayers".....Rolling Eyes
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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 15:59

StylesGShmooth wrote:Gun Violence dropped tremendously from its peak in the early 90s to 2000 due to the end of the crack epidemic.  Stayed more or less static as it had before the spike in the late 80s early 90s We're back on the rise, but yes we are much lower than the peak.  Lies, damn lies and statistics.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/16/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-gun-homicides-are-down-49-percent-/

Was the crack epidemic going in 1970?

America's Faulty Perception of Crime Rates

Today, the national crime rate is about half of what it was at its height in 1991. Violent crime has fallen by 51 percent since 1991, and property crime by 43 percent. In 2013 the violent crime rate was the lowest since 1970. And this holds true for unreported crimes as well. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1993 the rate of violent crime has declined from 79.8 to 23.2 victimizations per 1,000 people. Americans who lived through the 1960s and 1970s remember the fear associated with a real surge in violent crime. In fact, the violent crime rate increased by 126 percent between 1960 and 1970, and by 64 percent between 1970 and 1980.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 16:00

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Vlad wrote:(Not really related to today's San Bernadino tragedy, which is still unfolding.)

I really do try to understand the perspective of gun nuts. It all boils down to:

1. they don't trust their government.
2. they don't trust law enforcement, which is part of the government.
3. they don't trust ordinary citizens (because ordinary citizens might have guns).
4. but they want the rest of us to trust them with their guns.

Sorry, I don't understand.
no - you actually understand it quite well.

They react to fear, paranoia and emotion.. and, often, bigotry and racism. And they have one big entity - the NRA - which manipulates these emotions quite well to their economic advantage.

look at it this way: if last week's Planned Parenhood murders and today's murders were committed by brown people with bombs, they'd demand action. Instead, they're committed by people with guns so, of course, they can't demand action because the NRA has conditioned their vacuous intellect to believe otherwise.

And another fact free emotional hot take from Bobby the man that believes every American that disagrees with him is under the mind control of the big bad NRA.....lol

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Post by StylesGShmooth on 2015-12-02, 16:01

What the hell does 1970 have to do with anything?
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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 16:02

StylesGShmooth wrote:Look, I like my toys too but we can clearly see what we have now is not working, right?

I agree. Let's ban anything people can use to kill others.


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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 16:03

StylesGShmooth wrote:What the hell does 1970 have to do with anything?


If you read what I posted you'd see that's when the crime rates took off - the 1960s and 1970s. But it fits the narrative better to use the crack theory.

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Post by Tim Wakefield on 2015-12-02, 16:04

Fuckin stop with the politics in these threads, holy shit. Takes a special kind of scumbag to see a mass shooting and instantly push a political agenda.

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Post by LooseGoose on 2015-12-02, 16:04

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so far, Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee have tweeted out "thoughts and prayers".. Hillary tweeted "I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now"..

what the hell is wrong with her? Shouldn't she just stick to sending out "thoughts and prayers".....Rolling Eyes

How the fuck isn't that just as vacuous? Tell us what you want to do Hills? She won't because she knows she loses if she does.

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