Haz Iz lost it?

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-18, 21:15

Obviously yes. Who should take over nxt?

by **DWags** 2016-12-18, 21:34

Guy with glases

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-18, 21:37

Can we hire Bayhime?

by **GRR Spartan** 2016-12-18, 21:47

I think you have lost it.

Time to grow up an realize Izzo's roster at the end of May looks a helluva lot different than it does now.

The losses of grad transfer Carter and senior Schilling meant two less 4/5's, switching 6'5" Arhens to a 3/4, putting at least an extra 5-8 minutes on former walkon Goin's back and expecting a lot more minutes from freshman Ward. Former walkon Van Dyk is getting regular minutes. Now 6'7" Bridges 2/3/4/5 is out with an ankle injury that will last who knows how long.

Izzo is left to trying to make chicken salad with what's turning into chickenshit line ups.

A great freshman class was supposed help. Winston is looking better and could be starting ahead of low or no scoring Tum Tum soon. Ward is playing beyond his years but the season is young. Bridges is hurt and Langford looks like he can't get into or doesn't understand Izzo's offense.

Izzo will be here until he wants to leave and I expect that will be no more than 5 seasons when he is 67.

by **DWags** 2016-12-18, 21:47

Let's try for Kreshefxzchysfkyski

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-18, 21:58

GRR Spartan wrote:I think you have lost it.

Time to grow up an realize Izzo's roster at the end of May looks a helluva lot different than it does now.

The losses of grad transfer Carter and senior Schilling meant two less 4/5's, switching 6'5" Arhens to a 3/4, putting at least an extra 5-8 minutes on former walkon Goin's back and expecting a lot more minutes from freshman Ward. Former walkon Van Dyk is getting regular minutes. Now 6'7" Bridges 2/3/4/5 is out with an ankle injury that will last who knows how long.

Izzo is left to trying to make chicken salad with what's turning into chickenshit line ups.

A great freshman class was supposed help. Winston is looking better and could be starting ahead of low or no scoring Tum Tum soon. Ward is playing beyond his years but the season is young. Bridges is hurt and Langford looks like he can't get into or doesn't understand Izzo's offense.

Izzo will be here until he wants to leave and I expect that will be no more than 5 seasons when he is 67.

So that's a no on Bayhime?

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-18, 21:58

DWags wrote:Let's try for Kreshefxzchysfkyski

Rat face would be cool too.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2016-12-18, 21:59

GRR Spartan wrote:I think you have lost it.

Time to grow up an realize Izzo's roster at the end of May looks a helluva lot different than it does now.

The losses of grad transfer Carter and senior Schilling meant two less 4/5's, switching 6'5" Arhens to a 3/4, putting at least an extra 5-8 minutes on former walkon Goin's back and expecting a lot more minutes from freshman Ward. Former walkon Van Dyk is getting regular minutes. Now 6'7" Bridges 2/3/4/5 is out with an ankle injury that will last who knows how long.

Izzo is left to trying to make chicken salad with what's turning into chickenshit line ups.

A great freshman class was supposed help. Winston is looking better and could be starting ahead of low or no scoring Tum Tum soon. Ward is playing beyond his years but the season is young. Bridges is hurt and Langford looks like he can't get into or doesn't understand Izzo's offense.

Izzo will be here until he wants to leave and I expect that will be no more than 5 seasons when he is 67.

If I were a mod of this board I would move this post.

by Herbie Green 2016-12-18, 21:59

I am having trouble calling Carter a loss since we never had him. And I questioned at the time why we were taking a transfer with a blown out knee.

by **DWags** 2016-12-18, 22:02

Here's a name I'm just spitballin

Dick Vitale!!

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-18, 22:03

DWags wrote:Here's a name I'm just spitballin

Dick Vitale!!

Vietell coached Detroit. Why not?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-12-18, 22:10

has lost what? his damn mind? probably after having to deal with this dog shit team. NIT 2016, other teams pursuing that.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-18, 22:36

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:has lost what? his damn mind? probably after having to deal with this dog shit team. NIT 2016, other teams pursuing that.

This team will be lucky to make the en eye tee.

by **Death Roe** 2016-12-18, 23:15

GRR Spartan wrote:I think you have lost it.

Time to grow up an realize Izzo's roster at the end of May looks a helluva lot different than it does now.

The losses of grad transfer Carter and senior Schilling meant two less 4/5's, switching 6'5" Arhens to a 3/4, putting at least an extra 5-8 minutes on former walkon Goin's back and expecting a lot more minutes from freshman Ward. Former walkon Van Dyk is getting regular minutes. Now 6'7" Bridges 2/3/4/5 is out with an ankle injury that will last who knows how long.

Izzo is left to trying to make chicken salad with what's turning into chickenshit line ups.

A great freshman class was supposed help. Winston is looking better and could be starting ahead of low or no scoring Tum Tum soon. Ward is playing beyond his years but the season is young. Bridges is hurt and Langford looks like he can't get into or doesn't understand Izzo's offense.

Izzo will be here until he wants to leave and I expect that will be no more than 5 seasons when he is 67.

by **Cameron** 2016-12-18, 23:24

Probably not the place to ask this, but fuck it.

If Tom Crean were to become available and Izzo were to state publicly something along the lines of "I'm retiring in two years," how would you guys feel about Crean taking over after Izzo?

Actually, that's an absurd hypothetical, this board is the perfect place for that...

by **Death Roe** 2016-12-18, 23:28

Cameron wrote:Probably not the place to ask this, but fuck it.

If Tom Crean were to become available and Izzo were to state publicly something along the lines of "I'm retiring in two years," how would you guys feel about Crean taking over after Izzo?

Actually, that's an absurd hypothetical, this board is the perfect place for that...

Really wanted Brad Stevens, but dude doesn't have to spend his off time recruiting and is doing a good job in Boston. I don't think he's possible anymore unless he flames out.

I'd be OKAY with Crean, but he's majorly underachieved at Indiana. Has he ever made it past the Sweet 16 there? Even with that stud-loaded #1 team he bottomed out pretty early in the NCAAs.

Crean just feels too much like a safety valve hire. I'd rather take the risk and promote from within with Fife, or hire someone completely out of the MSU family tree.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-12-18, 23:30

Hypothetical yes but crean would not leave IU for MSU.

by **Cameron** 2016-12-18, 23:33

I personally would not want Crean. I just hate his face. I also feel like he gets better recruits at IU than he would get at MSU, and he still can't win anything significant with them. I don't know enough about our assistants to know if I'd want any of them to be the next HC. Having said that, I would worry a little about an outside hire because I'm not sure how much we would open the checkbook, and I worry that settling for not our #1 choice and having that guy also not have any connection to the program could just set the whole thing off the rails.

by **Death Roe** 2016-12-18, 23:38

I trust Izzo enough to let him make the call. He's deserved it just as much as Jud did.

by **Cameron** 2016-12-18, 23:44

Death Roe wrote:I trust Izzo enough to let him make the call. He's deserved it just as much as Jud did.

More.

by Herbie Green 2016-12-19, 13:03

I wouldn't trade Izzo for Crean even if that was possible. I can't stand Crean and I don't think Izzo has really lost it yet like Dantonio has.

Now Dantonio for Duzzi or some others would make me think

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-19, 13:51

Herbie Green wrote:I wouldn't trade Izzo for Crean even if that was possible. I can't stand Crean and I don't think Izzo has really lost it yet like Dantonio has.

Now Dantonio for Duzzi or some others would make me think

So can I mark you down in the keep Izzo camp?

by Herbie Green 2016-12-19, 14:08

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:I wouldn't trade Izzo for Crean even if that was possible. I can't stand Crean and I don't think Izzo has really lost it yet like Dantonio has.

Now Dantonio for Duzzi or some others would make me think

So can I mark you down in the keep Izzo camp?

Yes, I am also in the keep Dantonio camp. But if Fleck or Duzzi were hired today, would MSU football win more games in the next five years than Dantonio? I think that is a good possibility. I don't think any coach could win more games than Izzo at MSU, at least not without cheating. I suppose Coach K and maybe a couple of others that are never going to come here could legitimately bring in a couple more 5 stars.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-19, 14:09

Herbie Green wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

So can I mark you down in the keep Izzo camp?

Yes, I am also in the keep Dantonio camp. But if Fleck or Duzzi were hired today, would MSU football win more games in the next five years than Dantonio? I think that is a good possibility. I don't think any coach could win more games than Izzo at MSU, at least not without cheating. I suppose Coach K and maybe a couple of others that are never going to come here could legitimately bring in a couple more 5 stars.

Are you Mike Valenti? Serious question.

by **Blanch32** 2016-12-19, 14:22

DWags wrote:Guy with glases

he wasn't there today, so he's a candidate. howevee, his health is a concern

by **Blanch32** 2016-12-19, 14:26

GRR Spartan wrote:I think you have lost it.

Time to grow up an realize Izzo's roster at the end of May looks a helluva lot different than it does now.

The losses of grad transfer Carter and senior Schilling meant two less 4/5's, switching 6'5" Arhens to a 3/4, putting at least an extra 5-8 minutes on former walkon Goin's back and expecting a lot more minutes from freshman Ward. Former walkon Van Dyk is getting regular minutes. Now 6'7" Bridges 2/3/4/5 is out with an ankle injury that will last who knows how long.

Izzo is left to trying to make chicken salad with what's turning into chickenshit line ups.

A great freshman class was supposed help. Winston is looking better and could be starting ahead of low or no scoring Tum Tum soon. Ward is playing beyond his years but the season is young. Bridges is hurt and Langford looks like he can't get into or doesn't understand Izzo's offense.

Izzo will be here until he wants to leave and I expect that will be no more than 5 seasons when he is 67.

agree. our bball team is like our football team, no line play since we lost our centers.

good news is that we have izzo, and he knows how to make in season adjustments unlike dantonio. personally, i blame hollis since no way no how should we have scheduled that time this year. especially not after how they played us tough last year.

by **Blanch32** 2016-12-19, 14:27

Cameron wrote:Probably not the place to ask this, but fuck it.

If Tom Crean were to become available and Izzo were to state publicly something along the lines of "I'm retiring in two years," how would you guys feel about Crean taking over after Izzo?

Actually, that's an absurd hypothetical, this board is the perfect place for that...

meh. i hope we can do better, but we'll probably do worse....

by **Blanch32** 2016-12-19, 14:29

Death Roe wrote:
Cameron wrote:Probably not the place to ask this, but fuck it.

If Tom Crean were to become available and Izzo were to state publicly something along the lines of "I'm retiring in two years," how would you guys feel about Crean taking over after Izzo?

Actually, that's an absurd hypothetical, this board is the perfect place for that...

Really wanted Brad Stevens, but dude doesn't have to spend his off time recruiting and is doing a good job in Boston. I don't think he's possible anymore unless he flames out.

I'd be OKAY with Crean, but he's majorly underachieved at Indiana. Has he ever made it past the Sweet 16 there? Even with that stud-loaded #1 team he bottomed out pretty early in the NCAAs.

Crean just feels too much like a safety valve hire. I'd rather take the risk and promote from within with Fife, or hire someone completely out of the MSU family tree.

i definitely don't want to promote from within, vut i am 100% behind izzo making the call. he earned it, dantonio clearly has not.

by **Blanch32** 2016-12-19, 14:31

Herbie Green wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

So can I mark you down in the keep Izzo camp?

Yes, I am also in the keep Dantonio camp. But if Fleck or Duzzi were hired today, would MSU football win more games in the next five years than Dantonio? I think that is a good possibility. I don't think any coach could win more games than Izzo at MSU, at least not without cheating. I suppose Coach K and maybe a couple of others that are never going to come here could legitimately bring in a couple more 5 stars.

Exactly why izzo is HOF and dantonio is not

by **Cameron** 2016-12-19, 14:39

Herbie Green wrote:I wouldn't trade Izzo for Crean even if that was possible. I can't stand Crean and I don't think Izzo has really lost it yet like Dantonio has.

Now Dantonio for Duzzi or some others would make me think

My scenario wasn't a trade, because I don't think anyone would make that trade. I was just curious how Crean is regarded around here. Seems like most are lukewarm at best about his coaching ability, which is more or less what I was expecting.

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