Craft beer

tGreenWay wrote:Founders is in a world of hurt with that depo being released. That Ryan guy sounds like a douche.

that exchange of "what does a black person look like" was mind-boggling. I started laughing halfway through it because it struck me as such an incredulous (and total dick-ish) thing to argue about given the circumstances.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I generally steer clear of craft beer.. 'cause, I'm a man who wear jeans, boots and t-shirts and I prefer my beer to taste like beer..

anyhoo.. who knows what the actual truth is, this doesn't sound too good for Founder's Brewing.

Evans, a former manager who worked at Founders' Detroit and Grand Rapids locations, alleged “a racist internal corporate culture.”

Some white coworkers exhibited multiple examples of “blatant” racism. Among other issues, they repeatedly used the “N word” around him, and management allegedly named a printer it used the “white guy printer” while labeling the printer for lower-tier employees the “black guy printer.”  

Detroit Metro Times Linky Linky

That’s a shame. I’ve purchased a lot of their products in the past and really enjoyed their latest Solid Gold Lager. Too many other good brands on the shelf to spend my money on a company that supports this kind of culture. I always like to support Michigan breweries but next time I’ll make mine Bells.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I generally steer clear of craft beer.. 'cause, I'm a man who wear jeans, boots and t-shirts and I prefer my beer to taste like beer..

anyhoo..  who knows what the actual truth is, this doesn't sound too good for Founder's Brewing.



Detroit Metro Times Linky Linky

That’s a shame. I’ve purchased a lot of their products in the past and really enjoyed their latest Solid Gold Lager. Too many other good brands on the shelf to spend my money on a company that supports this kind of culture. I always like to support Michigan breweries but next time I’ll make mine Bells.

I usually enjoy swinging into Founder's when in GR before a show at The Intersection. Decent beers on the rare occasion where I might want something more craft beer-ish.

but, yeah.. this isn't good. I'm all for hearing their side of the story, etc. but, at the very least, the patronizing, juvenile exchange in that deposition just oozes white male privilege makes them look really, really bad.

That one guy represents founders? Or the few employees that are allegedly referenced?

Seems like y’all would have some issue with the similar generalizations regarding the MSU admin and MSU as a whole the past few years. But here it’s cool?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:That one guy represents founders? Or the few employees that are allegedly referenced?

Seems like y’all would have some issue with the similar generalizations regarding the MSU admin and MSU as a whole the past few years. But here it’s cool?

dude, if you're gonna go on a fishing expedition, you might want to be a little bit more less obvious about it.

Trying to understand how this is different from that scenario but message board posters gonna message board. Letting a few individuals ruin an org for ya seems to be shortsighted.

Let me know if you’d like to have a discussion.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Trying to understand how this is different from that scenario but message board posters gonna message board. Letting a few individuals ruin an org for ya seems to be shortsighted.

Let me know if you’d like to have a discussion.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:That one guy represents founders? Or the few employees that are allegedly referenced?

Seems like y’all would have some issue with the similar generalizations regarding the MSU admin and MSU as a whole the past few years. But here it’s cool?

Papa John's had it's own problems and they seem to be on the right track. I never buy their pies because in NYC I had access to superior pizzas but I'm glad Shaq came in gained a leadership role in the company and is working to fix this issue.

Regarding Founders, I agree probably more info needs to come out but from what we've seen and can verify so far it's not good. Also, here's a statement from Founders counsel -

https://foundersbrewing.com/latest-news/2019/statement-regarding-metro-times-article/

I find it odd that the company hasn't also issued any statements about how it's a place of inclusion and diversity. Seems like their MO is to just go on the defensive. In the meantime I'm going to take a pause from Founders and enjoy other brews. If they can provide assurance that they are a diverse work space and do not tolerate bigotry I'll gladly crack another one open. Cheers!

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Trying to understand how this is different from that scenario but message board posters gonna message board. Letting a few individuals ruin an org for ya seems to be shortsighted.

Let me know if you’d like to have a discussion.

tGreenWay wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

That’s a shame. I’ve purchased a lot of their products in the past and really enjoyed their latest Solid Gold Lager. Too many other good brands on the shelf to spend my money on a company that supports this kind of culture. I always like to support Michigan breweries but next time I’ll make mine Bells.

Won’t matter in a couple of months anyway, Steve. Next year, Founder’s stops being a Michigan company and becomes an internationally owned company.

In Bev?

thankful to have a fridge full of Old Style and some Stroh's.. and bottle of Jack over in my wife's more upscale Scotch cabinet.

Got a 12 pack of Pilsner Urquell in the fridge. Going to pop one open here soon.

Founders CBS is back in stores. 12 ounce bottles instead of growlers.

You mean 750ML bomber bottles? We have them in VA....

PS Fuck Founders

The first bourbon barrel aged stout became available today for the 2019 season

Bought a 12 pack of Strohs yesterday.

The 2020 release is in stores

I am shockingly far-removed from the "3 hopslams on a weeknight" club. Whoops

was at Stober's the other day (what else is new) and apparently PBR is making some sort of coffee-infused beer.

I suspect it's their way of mocking threads like this.

Different tastes deserves to be mocked. Like what i like! Is it really that hard?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Different tastes deserves to be mocked. Like what i like! Is it really that hard?

exactly.

no word yet on what preferring a blueberry fence-post flyfishing doppel bock says about me.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Different tastes deserves to be mocked. Like what i like! Is it really that hard?

exactly.

Went to the store yesterday meaning to pick up Kalamazoo Stout.  Store was out so I picked this up to try.  Good, but too sweet for me.  Very heavy maple flavor.  Looked it up at BA and it scored a 90.

I can't wait to drink a beer (or 10) again.

Trying a milkshake stout... Rochester brewery?

Pretty good.

Lunch from Maine Beer is pretty damn good:

Cadillac Mountain Stout from Bar Harbor Brewing is the best stout I've had. Wish I could get it here.

Double two hearted is very tasty. Caught me by surprise. 11% A/V.

InTenSity wrote:Double two hearted is very tasty. Caught me by surprise. 11% A/V.

Stopped at the store today and saw that for the first time. Sorta wanted to try it but wasn't in the mood for something that heavy. Got a 12 of regular Two Hearted. Maybe next time.

InTenSity wrote:Double two hearted is very tasty. Caught me by surprise. 11% A/V.

is it super bitter?
11% intrigues me.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

InTenSity wrote:Double two hearted is very tasty. Caught me by surprise. 11% A/V.

is it super bitter?
11% intrigues me.

I generally find the higher the ABV, the sweeter the beer is. For example, Bell's Expedition Stout is 10.5% and too sweet for me. Know people that pour it over vanilla ice cream to serve as dessert.

Have grown to dislike most barrel-aged beers (Founders Backwoods Bastard, KBS, CBS, etc) finding them also too sweet. Don't like porters. About the only high octane beer I like anymore is Hopslam, probably because the hops balance the sweet.

Will try Double Two Hearted eventually.

Was driving by a local beer store for a couple weeks and they were closed. Went by again and there's a sign out front saying "Thanks for 15 years".

Store has been there going back at least to when I was in high school (probably far longer) under other owners. Use to have a small deli and also made pizza years back. It's in an odd location that is mostly residential with a large church and high school not far down the road. Building is very close to the main road. Pretty dumpy with poor parking...kinda added to its charm.

Doubt the current owner can sell the business, as is, and is likely just going to try to sell the property. Narrow, but deep piece of land. No idea who would want it or how it could be repurposed where it sits.

A sales rep that calls on me gave me a 3 month subscription to The Original Craft Beer Club. Each month, I get 12 bottles. 3 each of 4 different beers. So free beer every month for 3 months and a lot of beers that I wouldn't otherwise try. I'm not a big enough connoisseur to know what the best craft breweries are outside of a few.

Got first shipment yesterday.

2 from Dick's in Washinton, an IPA and an Irish Red.
2 from River Horse in NJ, an Oatmeal Milk Stout and a Chocolate Porter.

I much prefer dark beers, so am happy that half of the first batch are a stout and porter.