Class warfare

TravelinMan wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Zurn doesn’t even live in the US.

He works for Putin.  He’s got job security so long as he keeps up he “regular American” persona on The Swill and other message boards.  If he doesn’t he falls off a 5th floor balcony, shot while walking on a St Petersburg  bridge or just hacked to death in his apartment.

Everything Zurn posts is right out of the Putin approved Doppelgänger script.

Yep, Putin's highest priority is having someone posing on tSwill hoping Grramps reads it and changes his mind.

Between 2014 and 2018, the 25 wealthiest Americans collectively earned $401bn, but paid just $13.6bn – about 3.4% of that – in taxes, according to a bombshell ProPublica investigation into the finances of the wealthiest Americans released on Wednesday.

Trapper Gus wrote:And now the reason I came to this thread, today...

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/18/trump-gop-scotus-musk-shame

The 99% has lost any influence we may have had with the wealthy, so a political revolution is the only option.

Vote only for Democratic candidates.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:And now the reason I came to this thread, today...

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/18/trump-gop-scotus-musk-shame

The 99% has lost any influence we may have had with the wealthy, so a political revolution is the only option.

Vote only for Democratic candidates.

Given all the January 6 outrage, you really think calling for the Poors to attempt political revolution is a good look?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Given all the January 6 outrage, you really think calling for the Poors to attempt political revolution is a good look?

It sort of figures that you don't know the difference between an armed rebellion, like the one we had in 1861 & 2021 and a political revolution like the one we had in the 1770's, 1860's with the 13th & 14th, 1930's with the New Deal, 1960's with the Civil Rights Act / Voting Rights Act / Medicare / Medicaid Acts, 1980's with the Reagan Revolution & now in the 2020s with the Bidenomics Revolution.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It sort of figures that you don't know the difference between an armed rebellion, like the one we had in 1861 & 2021 and a political revolution like the one we had in the 1770's, 1860's with the 13th & 14th, 1930's with the New Deal, 1960's with the Civil Rights Act / Voting Rights Act / Medicare / Medicaid Acts, 1980's with the Reagan Revolution & now in the 2020s with the Bidenomics Revolution.

Please stop

TravelinMan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Please stop

TBF, he didn't say it was a good revolution.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

TBF, he didn't say it was a good revolution.

By the economic numbers it is, though. Only fly in the honey is inflation, and if we keep at antitrust the way it used to be, and fix the laxity of laws regarding stock manipulation and corporate compensation we can have a new golden age for the workers in this country

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

By the economic numbers it is, though.  Only fly in the honey is inflation, and if we keep at antitrust the way it used to be, and fix the laxity of laws regarding stock manipulation and corporate compensation we can have a new golden age for the workers in this country

I know you believe that.  The question will be, does the rest of the voting public?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I know you believe that.  The question will be, does the rest of the voting public?

Oh the polls say no, but we will just need to wait until November, and then till January, to see who wins.

It sucks, for me, to see Joe who has been outstanding on the details of governing to be struggling against a corporate press with all its anti-Biden propaganda.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Oh the polls say no, but we will just need to wait until November, and then till January, to see who wins.

It sucks, for me, to see Joe who has been outstanding on the details of governing to be struggling against a corporate press with all its anti-Biden propaganda.

Goddammit, I can't help myself!  Sigh...

OK, why do you think that a "corporate press" which has traditionally been accused of being left wing liberal institutions, would have an anti-Biden agenda?   Corporate greed?  Clicks?  LOLZ?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Oh stop being a baby. I just find it personally offensive when you compare Biden’s economic plans to the civil rights act is all. That’s silly nonsense.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Oh stop being a baby. I just find it personally offensive when you compare Biden’s economic plans to the civil rights act is all. That’s silly nonsense.

Sigh - in the tone of voice you are using I suppose it is...

However, it also is a revolution in politics, the end of the Reagan neoliberal coddling of the wealthy "job creators" and a revolution to focusing on the working middle class in federal economic policy.

The actions Biden has taken are recognized as a revolution in thought & policy.

As to Biden's civil rights bonafide's, he has appointed more minorities and women to Federal Judgeships as all the other Presidents combined.  that may not seem like much; however it will have a long-term effect of rulings in federal courtrooms.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Sigh - in the tone of voice you are using I suppose it is...

However, it also is a revolution in politics, the end of the Reagan neoliberal coddling of the wealthy "job creators" and a revolution to focusing on the working middle class in federal economic policy.

The actions Biden has taken are recognized as a revolution in thought & policy.

As to Biden's civil rights bonafide's, he has appointed more minorities and women to Federal Judgeships as all the other Presidents combined.  that may not seem like much; however it will have a long-term effect of rulings in federal courtrooms.

Saying things makes them true.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Saying things makes them true.

Almost every political revolution starts with people saying things.  

Biden is the first President since before the Reagan Administration to be saying that the wealthy need to be taxed to pay for programs to help the middle class.

Obama kept his promise to the Kenndy's and (with Biden's help BTW) managed to pass the ACA, which did include some taxes, but was mostly funded by shifting money from other programs. Obama also kept one of the Wall Street bankers as his Treasury Secretary (if I remember correctly), Mr. Rubin and Obama was still following Clinton's "third way" thinking. Biden has gone far beyond that with his "build the economy from the middle out" talk.

Other Democratic Presidents have raised taxes on the wealthy while also cutting programs for the middle class in deficit reductions, but ever since Reagan they haven't been focused on programs, such as the now expired Child Tax Credits, which Biden pushed through the Conservative Democratic Senators in the 117th Congress.  

Biden has talked the talk and walked the walk to the extent the Congress would allow, and it is questionable that any other potential Democratic candidate from 2020 could have done as much with the razor thin majorities in the House & Senate.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Almost every political revolution starts with people saying things.  

Biden is the first President since before the Reagan Administration to be saying that the wealthy need to be taxed to pay for programs to help the middle class.

Obama kept his promise to the Kenndy's and (with Biden's help BTW) managed to pass the ACA, which did include some taxes, but was mostly funded by shifting money from other programs. Obama also kept one of the Wall Street bankers as his Treasury Secretary (if I remember correctly), Mr. Rubin and Obama was still following Clinton's "third way" thinking. Biden has gone far beyond that with his "build the economy from the middle out" talk.

Other Democratic Presidents have raised taxes on the wealthy while also cutting programs for the middle class in deficit reductions, but ever since Reagan they haven't been focused on programs, such as the now expired Child Tax Credits, which Biden pushed through the Conservative Democratic Senators in the 117th Congress.  

Biden has talked the talk and walked the walk to the extent the Congress would allow, and it is questionable that any other potential Democratic candidate from 2020 could have done as much with the razor thin majorities in the House & Senate.

Being the tallest midget doesn't make you an NBA center.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Oh I read it and no you didn’t. lol Jesus Christ this fuckin guy

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Unfortunately, no, none of them are on your side, try and try as you might because our perfect Catholic hero (to belittle the guy that is more on your side is stupid, Travis. Needling me with that is even stupider as I readily admit Biden's, flaws, unlike you who blame Biden for not being a perfect Catholic hero, which if you think about it is really a suppressed wish that he was one. - TG) would never take a donation 6x the size of the one you mentioned 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/the-64-million-mystery-anonymous-donations-2024-presidential-campaign/

And good. Because despite you clowns I still will vote for Biden, but goddamn does the make believe land you live in get tiresome

Trapper Gus wrote:I readily admit Biden's, flaws

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:I readily admit Biden's, flaws

Cameron wrote:Bivalue, multivalue, no value, you're in there somewhere...

Cameron wrote:Oh yes, silly me, how could I not remember that Trapper thinks continuous multivalued logic best maps onto reality? My memory is surely faulty, he's been quite clear. And it's not like he posts 50,000 words of drivel a day on tBin, so it is totally manageable to commit all of his inane ramblings to memory.

Truly, yours is an unpoisoned brain.

Trapper Gus wrote:

It sort of figures that you don't know the difference between an armed rebellion, like the one we had in 1861 & 2021

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It sort of figures that you don't know the difference between an armed rebellion, like the one we had in 1861 & 2021

You think Jan 6 and the Civil War were equivalent events?

Trapper Gus wrote:

Only the ignorant think the War of Rebellion, (only the people who support the rebels call it the civil war) was only about military domination.

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Only the ignorant think the War of Rebellion, (only the people who support the rebels call it the civil war) was only about military domination.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

—Abraham Lincoln

Trapper Gus wrote:Only the ignorant think the War of Rebellion, (only the people who support the rebels call it the civil war) was only about military domination.