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Post by Rocinante 2018-08-27, 12:52

The media is reporting it like it's a done deal, but from what I can tell, there's some preliminary "understanding" on the table between the US and Mexico, but no engagement from the US to Canada and Congress probably has to approve the pull out from NAFTA. So... congratulations on getting what looks like a conversation with 1/3 of the parties?

#winning??
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Post by Rocinante 2018-08-27, 13:03

Check out this Toronto Star reporter livetweeting the Trump "press conference".

So weird.  

Some funny stuff in there, too.

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Post by GRR Spartan 2018-08-27, 14:04

More diversion.
Its classic Trump. Big deal wityh nothing settled.
How are Trump's preliminary North Korean denuclearization deal going?
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-27, 16:35

We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.
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Post by tGreenWay 2018-08-27, 17:23

Dr. Strangelove wrote:We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.

Gosh, I hope Canada doesn’t declare war on us. Can’t trust those pesky canucks.
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Post by Rocinante 2018-08-27, 17:40

Dr. Strangelove wrote:We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.

Congress passed a law to enact NAFTA. The president can’t unilaterally declare it terminated.
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Post by Heat Miser 2018-08-27, 18:48

Dr. Strangelove wrote:We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.

Yeah, "we" really fucked them. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-27, 18:59

So Trump spread some bullshit lies to get his dummy base all riled up? This makes it what... the 1000th time that has happened?  Sleep
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Post by kingstonlake 2018-08-27, 19:14

This article pretty much undresses Trump's nothing burger (sorry goose Razz )

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/politics/trump-nafta-deal/index.html

Trump even gave the bilateral agreement a name: the "US-Mexico Trade Agreement," which he said would replace
the trilateral free trade deal.

But none of that is happening.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-27, 19:23

Rocinante wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.

Congress passed a law to enact NAFTA. The president can’t unilaterally declare it terminated.

Actually he can. Congress ratfied the nafta treaty and there is a 6 month out triggered by a presidential letter
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-27, 19:25

Heat Miser wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.

Yeah, "we" really fucked them. Rolling Eyes

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They werent at the table. This thing took months to negiotate and we're telling the Canucks you got 5 days to get on board.
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Post by GRR Spartan 2018-08-27, 20:06

Where are US businesses going to buy their non-tariff aluminum? Going to wait for the KY facilities to get online in 24 months?

Does the US have alternative production facilities to take the place of Canadian auto production?

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Post by Heat Miser 2018-08-27, 20:29

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:We really fucked over the Canucks but good. Trudeau thought he could get the Mexicans to tag team with them against us. He made a major miscalculation.

Trump still hasn't sent the nafta termination letter which starts the 6 month clock to treaty termination.

Yeah, "we" really fucked them. Rolling Eyes

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They werent at the table. This thing took months to negiotate and we're telling the Canucks you got 5 days to get on board.

Is that what Hannitty told you?
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-27, 20:47

Heat Miser wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

They werent at the table. This thing took months to negiotate and we're telling the Canucks you got 5 days to get on board.

Is that what Hannitty told you?

Toronto Sun and Star actually
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Post by Rocinante 2018-08-27, 21:06

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

Congress passed a law to enact NAFTA. The president can’t unilaterally declare it terminated.

Actually he can. Congress ratfied the nafta treaty and there is a 6 month out triggered by a presidential letter

No he can’t. The treaty is a framework. There are multiple laws that were passed to allow the framework to fit within the law. Those laws cannot just be tossed out without congressional cooperation.
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Post by Rocinante 2018-08-27, 21:10

Look, I think that offshoring jobs has been shitty for the American middle class as much as the next guy, but trump is doing what trump does: blowing his load before he’s actually accomplished anything. And another place where you’re wrong is on the fact that administration officials have been negotiating with Canada all along. They were not part of this “agreement” to have some more agreements, but they have been at the table. Once again people who refuse to see the douchebag for the trees mistake stupid bellowing bravado for strength.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-27, 22:12

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Is that what Hannitty told you?

Toronto Sun and Star actually

Really? Because this is what Daniel Dale is saying... from the Toronto Star. There's more non-fake bullshit that I can post for you. But it mostly amounts to Dale saying Trump is detached from reality, as are you it seems.

[size=43]Basically, what keeps happening is that Trump says things about making two separate two-country deals with Canada and with Mexico, then his administration just keeps working on the three-country NAFTA. His rhetoric has often had almost no connection to the actual negotiations.[/size]
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-27, 22:33

Again, Trump makes shit up, puts a dramatic spin on it, all the while in reality something completely different is taking place. And the dummies swallow the bullshit every. Single. Time. It's not even worth arguing about any more. They all live in an alternate universe.
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Post by Guest 2018-08-28, 00:13

Strangely farm commodity futures and the general market disagree with the wizards of the Bin.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2018-08-28, 06:27

LooseGoose wrote:Strangely farm commodity futures and the general market disagree with the wizards of the Bin.
guessing you read that in the mainstream media?
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-28, 08:03

LooseGoose wrote:Strangely farm commodity futures and the general market disagree with the wizards of the Bin.

Goose level observation.

"The DJIA went up today, Trump is a genius!" Never stop being you Goose. This NAFTA renegotiation announcement is the weirdest thing... 502811600
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2018-08-28, 08:13

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Strangely farm commodity futures and the general market disagree with the wizards of the Bin.

Goose level observation.

"The DJIA went up today, Trump is a genius!" Never stop being you Goose. This NAFTA renegotiation announcement is the weirdest thing... 502811600
do it up, Goose!! This NAFTA renegotiation announcement is the weirdest thing... 969504605
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-28, 08:55

Rocinante wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

Actually he can. Congress ratfied the nafta treaty and there is a 6 month out triggered by a presidential letter

No he can’t. The treaty is a framework. There are multiple laws that were passed to allow the framework to fit within the law. Those laws cannot just be tossed out without congressional cooperation.

He can leave nafta with a 6 month out. Some provisions will still be in force. Good read here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1F000B
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-28, 09:20

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

No he can’t. The treaty is a framework. There are multiple laws that were passed to allow the framework to fit within the law. Those laws cannot just be tossed out without congressional cooperation.

He can leave nafta with a 6 month out. Some provisions will still be in force. Good read here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1F000B

So in other words he hasn't done a thing other than talk a bunch of nonsense and you think he's fucking over the Canadians... how again?

Specifics with links would be nice for once.

Spoiler alert: There are no specifics. This dumbfuck of a president never deals with specifics. His brain doesn't work that way. He uses superlatives and generalizations to make it sound like whatever he is doing is "the greatest thing ever." And then the useful idiots fills in the holes of whatever the fuck they're talking about with whatever it is they think they need to be winning at, in the moment.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2018-08-28, 09:30

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

He can leave nafta with a 6 month out. Some provisions will still be in force. Good read here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1F000B

So in other words he hasn't done a thing other than talk a bunch of nonsense and you think he's fucking over the Canadians... how again?

Specifics with links would be nice for once.

Spoiler alert: There are no specifics. This dumbfuck of a president never deals with specifics. His brain doesn't work that way. He uses superlatives and generalizations to make it sound like whatever he is doing is "the greatest thing ever." And then the useful idiots fills in the holes of whatever the fuck they're talking about with whatever it is they think they need to be winning at, in the moment.
I suspect the racist, bigoted sexual predator just got taken for a ride, a la The Supreme Leader of North Korea. This NAFTA renegotiation announcement is the weirdest thing... 502811600
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-28, 09:49

How hard is it to understand that if you're not at the table your interests are not representated. And giving them to Friday to sign is a well and through fucking. I get it you hate Trump and have to run down everything he does but sometimes you should come up for air and see things as they are.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2018-08-28, 09:55

Dr. Strangelove wrote:How hard is it to understand that if you're not at the table your interests are not representated. And giving them to Friday to sign is a well and through fucking. I get it you hate Trump and have to run down everything he does but sometimes you should come up for air and see things as they are.
I have a good handle on how things are. I don't need the media or supporters of a racist, bigoted sexual predator to explain them to me.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-28, 10:21

Dr. Strangelove wrote:How hard is it to understand that if you're not at the table your interests are not representated. And giving them to Friday to sign is a well and through fucking. I get it you hate Trump and have to run down everything he does but sometimes you should come up for air and see things as they are.

So you have no specifics you can point to. Thanks for your input. Also, why are you so geeked about fucking Canada over? Because Trump told you they're the enemy now? How easy is it to fill your brain with nonsense?
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Post by Rocinante 2018-08-28, 10:29

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

No he can’t. The treaty is a framework. There are multiple laws that were passed to allow the framework to fit within the law. Those laws cannot just be tossed out without congressional cooperation.

He can leave nafta with a 6 month out. Some provisions will still be in force. Good read here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1F000B

The six month out it not "hard" it's a "may" not a "shall". He will need congressional support.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-28, 10:38

[tw]1034420604374577152[/tw]

Here's some actual, searchable content that shows that Canada isn't getting "fucked over." Feel free to spin this however you see fit.

Canada may find it harder to sign up to US-Mexico understandings on key US demands beyond tighter rules of origin for
autos, but the new pressure for Canada to get on board quickly hands it more sway in the talks. Discussions could well
extend beyond the end of this week and miss the US Congress’ procedural deadline for signature of a revised NAFTA deal under
the current Mexican administration.

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Also, they don't seem too worried about hitting the deadline of Friday.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-28, 10:42

I'm all for cutting the best deal possible for the USA and if that means it's at the Canadians expense so be it. Trudeau miscalculated that by not coming to the table he would be able to preserve the milk subsidies and no sunset clause. Also they were interested in auto content regs.

There is a lot of details to be filled in but it looks like it will be a better deal for us.

Peruse the Globe and Mail (Canada's wsj) it's filled with the pressure is now on Canada.
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Post by GRR Spartan 2018-08-28, 10:46

Any word on Trump ending the tariffs on Chinese steel and Chinese made auto components that are supplied by companies like Lucern?

From the link:
Trump's tariffs on Chinese goods, including autos and parts, under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, are separate from the Commerce Department investigation of whether cars and parts made elsewhere are a threat to national defense and therefor eligible for new tariffs under Section 232.

So what good does renegotiated of NAFTA (and renamed so the US is first mentioned) do if Canada isn't on board, and even if they are if Tier 1 and Tier 2 supplers like Lucern are driven out of business or take a financial beating because of Trump's tariff war with China?


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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-08-28, 10:46

Dr. Strangelove wrote:I'm all for cutting the best deal possible for the USA and if that means it's at the Canadians expense so be it. Trudeau miscalculated that by not coming to the table he would be able to preserve the milk subsidies and no sunset clause. Also they were interested in auto content regs.

There is a lot of details to be filled in but it looks like it will be a better deal for us.

Peruse the Globe and Mail (Canada's wsj) it's filled with the pressure is now on Canada.

The "go search for it" comment. Lazy. It's your argument, you search for it and link it here. All I've heard from you in nonsensical Trump talking points.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-08-31, 15:51

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-canada-rush-to-hash-out-nafta-compromise-1535724907

Looks like the can is kicked down the road until Sept 30. Trump sending 90 day notice of trade agreement to Congress as required. But text doesn't have to be published until 60 days before signing. So I'd say our Canadian friends will be busy
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Post by Heat Miser 2018-08-31, 16:06

Dr. Strangelove wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-canada-rush-to-hash-out-nafta-compromise-1535724907

Looks like the can is kicked down the road until Sept 30. Trump sending 90 day notice of trade agreement to Congress as required. But text doesn't have to be published until 60 days before signing. So I'd say our Canadian friends will be busy

Except Orange Bumblefuck had to go an open his BS hole. What a fucking idiot.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-09-30, 22:15

Canucks on board

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/business/economy/us-and-canada-closing-in-on-a-new-nafta-deal-as-deadline-looms/2018/09/30/2ef72018-c50b-11e8-b1ed-1d2d65b86d0c_story.html
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2018-10-01, 07:39

nice to see that Justin Trudeau - the Leader of the Free World (along with Merkel) - are looking out for folks.
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Trump did something within his job description? Holy shit. Only took nearly two years. It's KFC time baby!
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Watch Out Pylon! wrote:This NAFTA renegotiation announcement is the weirdest thing... Image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeopledotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F08%2Fcinnamon-hitler-0-600

Trump did something within his job description? Holy shit. Only took nearly two years. It's KFC time baby!
imagine how bad he smells.

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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2018-10-01, 09:36

From what I'm reading the entire "change" to NAFTA consists of a few minor tweaks... but a MAJOR issue the white house demanded was to rename the existing agreement. So, in "wins", style over substance.

Good thing blue collar main street americans can get behind these changes to MAGA. Rolling Eyes
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