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Post by kingstonlake on Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:49 pm

Hopefully its an encouraging sign for November. If Dem's are coming out like this to defeat a Dem/socialist in a primary, I'd assume they will come out it equal strength to defeat Trump.

Hopefully.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:43 pm

What bet?

About exit polls?

Oh. Yeah. Exit polls. They’re shit. That article you linked is based off of the numbers that produced this is a result in Massachusetts

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Post by steveschneider on Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:52 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:What bet?

About exit polls?

Oh. Yeah. Exit polls. They’re shit. That article you linked is based off of the numbers that produced this is a result in Massachusetts

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Nice Tweet, and do you not see the time stamp on that poll? Do you not see it's an early exit poll?

Also, if you carefully read that article you'd see this quote from Bernie himself -


At a news conference Wednesday in Vermont, Sanders acknowledged the difficulty of convincing young voters to show up and vote.


"Have we been as successful as I would hope in bringing in young people in? And the answer is 'no'," he said.

"We’re making some progress but historically everybody knows that young people do not vote in the kind of numbers that older people vote," he said. "I think that will change in the general election. But to be honest with you, we have not done as well in bringing young people into the process. It is not easy.""

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Fucking Steve is right again!!!
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:58 pm

Early..... early exit poll?

What do you think an exit poll is steve? I’m serious. Tell me.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:59 pm

There is, by definition, only one time to conduct an exit poll. Here’s a hint brain genius, it’s right there in the name.
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Post by steveschneider on Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:09 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:There is, by definition, only one time to conduct an exit poll. Here’s a hint brain genius, it’s right there in the name.

You are looking at the wrong ones.
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Post by steveschneider on Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:23 pm

Also, you have nothing to say about Bernie’s statement. I’m going to take his word for it.
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Post by NigelUno on Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:26 am

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Rocinante wrote:I mean take any polling with a grain of salt, but exit polls are not known to be way off, Travis.  Can you explain your skepticism with the conventional wisdom on this one?   It looks like young people didn’t vote in the numbers they could have.  Again, not sure it would have made a difference because the moderates coalesced behind Biden. It’s hard to know at this point if it was a fear of Sanders or a genuine enthusiasm for Biden, but it’s probably somewhere in the middle. Biden, other than during his victory speeches, has been really weak.  In debates and on the campaign trail.  He better clean it up.  

Well for one no one has used any actual numbers nor cited anything from the 2016 primary showing it lower. Just general platitudes about “could have been” which yeah of course there are more young people that didn’t vote there always are.

Second, exit polling data is at best a guess. Especially in a primary. I’ve already said it but it’s jumping the gun for no real reason. Steve said it correctly for once when he said to be right instead of first. If you want to talk about it in a few weeks then fine.

Third, if young people actually did vote less than in the 2016 primary, that’s a huge fucking problem that would need to be dealt with in some kind of panicky massive way. I’d prefer people hold off until they actually know.

The Bernie Sanders Youth Revolution Was Nowhere to Be Found on Super Tuesday

Bernie Sanders and the youth vote: Stats and history suggest he may doom the Democrats

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses
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Post by kingstonlake on Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:48 am

Bernie Sanders newest anti establishment, non centerist ad......Millennials, where the fuck were you last night?   - Page 2 1494614055

Warning: Lots of centerist grabbing

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Post by steveschneider on Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:00 am

NigelUno wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Well for one no one has used any actual numbers nor cited anything from the 2016 primary showing it lower. Just general platitudes about “could have been” which yeah of course there are more young people that didn’t vote there always are.

Second, exit polling data is at best a guess. Especially in a primary. I’ve already said it but it’s jumping the gun for no real reason. Steve said it correctly for once when he said to be right instead of first. If you want to talk about it in a few weeks then fine.

Third, if young people actually did vote less than in the 2016 primary, that’s a huge fucking problem that would need to be dealt with in some kind of panicky massive way. I’d prefer people hold off until they actually know.

The Bernie Sanders Youth Revolution Was Nowhere to Be Found on Super Tuesday

Bernie Sanders and the youth vote: Stats and history suggest he may doom the Democrats

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses

Also, pretty crazy how the polls had it right.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:54 am

I wonder how much of the socialist "youth revolt" thing are the russian bots?

Because, the best way to frighten old white republicans is to threaten them with something the youth likes.
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Post by NigelUno on Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:12 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I wonder how much of the socialist "youth revolt" thing are the russian bots?

Because, the best way to frighten old white republicans is to threaten them with something the youth likes.

The Yutes gotta vote though.
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Post by steveschneider on Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:49 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I wonder how much of the socialist "youth revolt" thing are the russian bots?

Because, the best way to frighten old white republicans is to threaten them with something the youth likes.

What youth?
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:20 am

steveschneider wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:I wonder how much of the socialist "youth revolt" thing are the russian bots?

Because, the best way to frighten old white republicans is to threaten them with something the youth likes.

What youth?

That's what Im sayin... there are no more "youth" then there ever where... but the russian Bernie bots are stirring that pot to freak out the olds.

Obviously they aren't voting if they ever where an actual thing. Frankly, I would guess in my ass backards berg more youth are pro trump then anything. They can relate to his simplistic and juvenile social media presence I suppose.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:54 am

Youth more trump? No.
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Post by kingstonlake on Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:07 am

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Youth more trump? No.

Voting youth, probably not. White under 18? You might be surprised.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:16 am

kingstonlake wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Youth more trump? No.

Voting youth, probably not. White under 18? You might be surprised.

I meant more in a general sense. Not I’m white, have had everything handed to me, and live in Farmington hills. Definitely trump.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:15 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
I meant more in a general sense. Not I’m white, have had everything handed to me, and live in Farmington hills. Definitely trump.

I'm in rural mid-michigan and trump out numbers all others... Of course the stupid fucking kids are oblivious to all pertinent facts, etc. But they think it's hillarious to chant "trump 2020" in public events, etc.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:20 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
I meant more in a general sense. Not I’m white, have had everything handed to me, and live in Farmington hills. Definitely trump.

I'm in rural mid-michigan and trump out numbers all others... Of course the stupid fucking kids are oblivious to all pertinent facts, etc. But they think it's hillarious to chant "trump 2020" in public events, etc.
Yuck.

I'm probably the most conservative person on my street, among my friends and among my colleagues. Millennials, where the fuck were you last night?   - Page 2 502811600
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:24 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
I meant more in a general sense. Not I’m white, have had everything handed to me, and live in Farmington hills. Definitely trump.

I'm in rural mid-michigan and trump out numbers all others... Of course the stupid fucking kids are oblivious to all pertinent facts, etc. But they think it's hillarious to chant "trump 2020" in public events, etc.

Makes sense.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe on Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:40 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Yuck.

I'm probably the most conservative person on my street, among my friends and among my colleagues. Millennials, where the fuck were you last night?   - Page 2 502811600

30 min. and a world away.

I need to hang in EL more.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:51 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:Yuck.

I'm probably the most conservative person on my street, among my friends and among my colleagues. Millennials, where the fuck were you last night?   - Page 2 502811600

30 min. and a world away.

I need to hang in EL more.
I know..

I'm a big fan of the south. I love the south. Grew up there, still go back to visit a lot (at least before both of my parents passed away) - so when I hear people up here mock southerners from a political standpoint, I always have razor-sharp commentary in return.

I tell them the only difference in the rural south and rural Michigan is the accent. I can go 15 minutes in any direction from East Lansing and be in a less-than-desirable place politically.


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Post by kingstonlake on Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:40 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
I meant more in a general sense. Not I’m white, have had everything handed to me, and live in Farmington hills. Definitely trump.

I'm in rural mid-michigan and trump out numbers all others... Of course the stupid fucking kids are oblivious to all pertinent facts, etc. But they think it's hillarious to chant "trump 2020" in public events, etc.

Pretty much this. And on Sundays.....
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