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Post by CORNER BLITZ on 2020-03-17, 14:50

Heat, why do your images never work on mobile? Others don't work either, but can usually click in the empty space where I assume they inserted a pic and it will take me to the image - yours don't do that?

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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-17, 14:58

CORNER BLITZ wrote:Heat, why do your images never work on mobile? Others don't work either, but can usually click in the empty space where I assume they inserted a pic and it will take me to the image - yours don't do that?


The images I'm posting are on the interwebs. The ones you can click to see were 1st uploaded to servimg.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-17, 16:59

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Nordic wrote:I'm curious as to how ya'll would of handled this situation.


You tell me Heat

No govt. handouts (that includes tax breaks). Period. Loans? Sure. The Fed just cut rates to zero. Have at it.

Fair enough.
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Post by InTenSity on 2020-03-17, 17:45

Heat Miser wrote:This is also a great example of why you don't give a trillion & a half dollars to corporations and rich people. Keep what little powder you have dry because you never know when or where the next trillion dollar crisis will come from.
Won't taxes have to be increased in the next 4 years or so, just to start paying for all of this shit? Or do we cut military spending?
Then again if 2 million people on Social Security die, that free's up a lot of $$.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-17, 18:36

InTenSity wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:This is also a great example of why you don't give a trillion & a half dollars to corporations and rich people. Keep what little powder you have dry because you never know when or where the next trillion dollar crisis will come from.
Won't taxes have to be increased in the next 4 years or so, just to start paying for all of this shit? Or do we cut military spending?
Then again if 2 million people on Social Security die, that free's up a lot of $$.

Social Security is a separate bucket. Has nothing to do with the federal budget, despite what certain people would have you believe. We're lucky if we can get a freeze on military spending. That leaves taxes. Gotta roll back that dumb shit from 2 years ago & then some.
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Post by Jake from State Farm on 2020-03-17, 18:38

I want my $1000 now dammit.
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-17, 19:53

Heat Miser wrote:
InTenSity wrote:
Won't taxes have to be increased in the next 4 years or so, just to start paying for all of this shit? Or do we cut military spending?
Then again if 2 million people on Social Security die, that free's up a lot of $$.

Social Security is a separate bucket. Has nothing to do with the federal budget, despite what certain people would have you believe. We're lucky if we can get a freeze on military spending. That leaves taxes. Gotta roll back that dumb shit from 2 years ago & then some.

SS is part of the Federal budget, it shouldn't be, but it is. Federal budget accounting would get a private business thrown in jail, but here's a breakdown from a year ago.

Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?

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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-17, 20:03

I.B. Fine wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
InTenSity wrote:
Won't taxes have to be increased in the next 4 years or so, just to start paying for all of this shit? Or do we cut military spending?
Then again if 2 million people on Social Security die, that free's up a lot of $$.

Social Security is a separate bucket. Has nothing to do with the federal budget, despite what certain people would have you believe. We're lucky if we can get a freeze on military spending. That leaves taxes. Gotta roll back that dumb shit from 2 years ago & then some.

SS is part of the Federal budget, it shouldn't be, but it is. Federal budget accounting would get a private business thrown in jail, but here's a breakdown from a year ago.

Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?


It may be part of the "budget", but it's a separate "bucket" funded solely by SS payroll deductions. The rest of the federal budget is not co-mingled with SS money.
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-17, 20:24

Heat Miser wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

SS is part of the Federal budget, it shouldn't be, but it is. Federal budget accounting would get a private business thrown in jail, but here's a breakdown from a year ago.

Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?


It may be part of the "budget", but it's a separate "bucket" funded solely by SS payroll deductions. The rest of the federal budget is not co-mingled with SS money.
The 'Trust Fund' is full of IOU's. Congress has raided the surplus for years.
So far, SS tax money has covered the expense, but not for much longer, that's called an 'unfunded mandate'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Trust_Fund wrote:The Social Security Administration collects payroll taxes and uses the money collected to pay Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance benefits by way of trust funds. When the program runs a surplus, the excess funds increase the value of the Trust Fund. At the end of 2014, the Trust Fund contained (or alternatively, was owed) $2.79 trillion, up $25 billion from 2013.[4] The Trust Fund is required by law to be invested in non-marketable securities issued and guaranteed by the "full faith and credit" of the federal government. These securities earn a market rate of interest.[5]

Excess funds are used by the government for non-Social Security purposes, creating the obligations to the Social Security Administration and thus program recipients. However, Congress could cut these obligations by altering the law. Trust Fund obligations are considered "intra-governmental" debt, a component of the "public" or "national" debt. As of June 2015, the intragovernmental debt was $5.1 trillion of the $18.2 trillion national debt.[6]

According to the Social Security Trustees, who oversee the program and report on its financial condition, program costs are expected to exceed non-interest income from 2010 onward. However, due to interest (earned at a 3.6% rate in 2014) the program will run an overall surplus that adds to the fund through the end of 2019. Under current law, the securities in the Trust Fund represent a legal obligation the government must honor when program revenues are no longer sufficient to fully fund benefit payments. However, when the Trust Fund is used to cover program deficits in a given year, the Trust Fund balance is reduced. By 2034, the Trust Fund is expected to be exhausted. Thereafter, payroll taxes are projected to only cover approximately 79% of program obligations.[7]
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-18, 10:06

I.B. Fine wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

SS is part of the Federal budget, it shouldn't be, but it is. Federal budget accounting would get a private business thrown in jail, but here's a breakdown from a year ago.

Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?


It may be part of the "budget", but it's a separate "bucket" funded solely by SS payroll deductions. The rest of the federal budget is not co-mingled with SS money.
The 'Trust Fund' is full of IOU's. Congress has raided the surplus for years.
So far, SS tax money has covered the expense, but not for much longer, that's called an 'unfunded mandate'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Trust_Fund wrote:The Social Security Administration collects payroll taxes and uses the money collected to pay Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance benefits by way of trust funds. When the program runs a surplus, the excess funds increase the value of the Trust Fund. At the end of 2014, the Trust Fund contained (or alternatively, was owed) $2.79 trillion, up $25 billion from 2013.[4] The Trust Fund is required by law to be invested in non-marketable securities issued and guaranteed by the "full faith and credit" of the federal government. These securities earn a market rate of interest.[5]

Excess funds are used by the government for non-Social Security purposes, creating the obligations to the Social Security Administration and thus program recipients. However, Congress could cut these obligations by altering the law. Trust Fund obligations are considered "intra-governmental" debt, a component of the "public" or "national" debt. As of June 2015, the intragovernmental debt was $5.1 trillion of the $18.2 trillion national debt.[6]

According to the Social Security Trustees, who oversee the program and report on its financial condition, program costs are expected to exceed non-interest income from 2010 onward. However, due to interest (earned at a 3.6% rate in 2014) the program will run an overall surplus that adds to the fund through the end of 2019. Under current law, the securities in the Trust Fund represent a legal obligation the government must honor when program revenues are no longer sufficient to fully fund benefit payments. However, when the Trust Fund is used to cover program deficits in a given year, the Trust Fund balance is reduced. By 2034, the Trust Fund is expected to be exhausted. Thereafter, payroll taxes are projected to only cover approximately 79% of program obligations.[7]

Unless & until this changes, everything I said is true. SS is a completely separate bucket. Yes, SS loans out its surplus to other parts of govt., but loan (with interest of course) is the key word. After all, the US govt. is considered the safest investment in the world. SS is about #99 on the top 10 list of investors the US govt. would default on.
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Post by I.B. Fine on 2020-03-18, 10:59

Heat Miser wrote:
Unless & until this changes, everything I said is true. SS is a completely separate bucket. Yes, SS loans out its surplus to other parts of govt., but loan (with interest of course) is the key word. After all, the US govt. is considered the safest investment in the world. SS is about #99 on the top 10 list of investors the US govt. would default on.
I admire your confidence that the bunch of pinhead politicians in DC wouldn't hesitate to screw over their constituents....
When the poop hits the ventilator, they'll be paying out SS with worthless money and a smile on their face.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-18, 11:05

I.B. Fine wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
Unless & until this changes, everything I said is true. SS is a completely separate bucket. Yes, SS loans out its surplus to other parts of govt., but loan (with interest of course) is the key word. After all, the US govt. is considered the safest investment in the world. SS is about #99 on the top 10 list of investors the US govt. would default on.
I admire your confidence that the bunch of pinhead politicians in DC wouldn't hesitate to screw over their constituents....
When the poop hits the ventilator, they'll be paying out SS with worthless money and a smile on their face.

When "the poop hits the ventilator", the US govt. will default on every foreign country that holds US debt before it defaults on SS. Don't worry, your SS money is safe.

Slashing benefits and/or raising taxes is always in play of course, but that's a different conversation that has nothing to do with raiding/defaulting on the trust fund.
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Post by DWags on 2020-03-18, 11:34

Heat Miser wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
I admire your confidence that the bunch of pinhead politicians in DC wouldn't hesitate to screw over their constituents....
When the poop hits the ventilator, they'll be paying out SS with worthless money and a smile on their face.

When "the poop hits the ventilator", the US govt. will default on every foreign country that holds US debt before it defaults on SS. Don't worry, your SS money is safe.

Slashing benefits and/or raising taxes is always in play of course, but that's a different conversation that has nothing to do with raiding/defaulting on the trust fund.


Yeah, I can see them moving eligibility requirements but it’s going to be there if we can make it to the requirements. Five years from now, no way can you start drawing at 62. He’ll, I’m guessing when we come out of this “early draw” will be 67.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-18, 11:39

DWags wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
I admire your confidence that the bunch of pinhead politicians in DC wouldn't hesitate to screw over their constituents....
When the poop hits the ventilator, they'll be paying out SS with worthless money and a smile on their face.

When "the poop hits the ventilator", the US govt. will default on every foreign country that holds US debt before it defaults on SS. Don't worry, your SS money is safe.

Slashing benefits and/or raising taxes is always in play of course, but that's a different conversation that has nothing to do with raiding/defaulting on the trust fund.


Yeah, I can see them moving eligibility requirements but it’s going to be there if we can make it to the requirements. Five years from now, no way can you start drawing at 62. He’ll, I’m guessing when we come out of this “early draw” will be 67.

Actually, removing the cap on payroll deductions (rich people) buys another 30+ years of solvency. Problem solved.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on 2020-03-18, 11:51

So about those stocks/investments

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Post by DWags on 2020-03-18, 11:51

Heat Miser wrote:
DWags wrote:


Yeah, I can see them moving eligibility requirements but it’s going to be there if we can make it to the requirements. Five years from now, no way can you start drawing at 62. He’ll, I’m guessing when we come out of this “early draw” will be 67.

Actually, removing the cap on payroll deductions (rich people) buys another 30+ years of solvency. Problem solved.

But that’s too easy.

By the way, I’m not panicking till you panic.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-18, 13:26

Dow under 20k. ~33% drop in less than a month. All gains during the current administration wiped out.

Dow 10k is not unrealistic IMHO. I'd put the "bottom" over/under at 15k. It will be 10 years before we approach 30k again.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-19, 09:44

Regarding what stocks to buy, my take is still bottom to go but the answer should be easy once we reach the turn. So many stocks are cheap and better discounts are coming.

Disney is cheap, McDonalds is dropping. Square space looks good. Will watch AAPL. Also, never a bad idea to just buy a fund that follows the S&P as it climbs back up.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-19, 09:46

steveschneider wrote:Regarding what stocks to buy, my take is still bottom to go but the answer should be easy once we reach the turn. So many stocks are cheap and better discounts are coming.

Disney is cheap, McDonalds is dropping. Square space looks good.  Will watch AAPL. Also, never a bad idea to just buy a fund that follows the S&P as it climbs back up.

For the casual investor, I'd go with the last option. I'd also add Roku to your list.


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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-19, 09:47

Netflix?
Costco?
Amazon?
Microsoft?
Medical Supply Companies?

Investing in companies with good Tech is always a good idea. Probably even more so now. Medical companies could be the new military companies. Even after his is over, there is sure to be a stockpiling.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-19, 09:51

Wall Street is updating its recession predictions. They're extremely bleak

"The key outlook issue now is gauging the depth and the duration of the 2020 recession."
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-19, 09:53

Heat Miser wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Regarding what stocks to buy, my take is still bottom to go but the answer should be easy once we reach the turn. So many stocks are cheap and better discounts are coming.

Disney is cheap, McDonalds is dropping. Square space looks good.  Will watch AAPL. Also, never a bad idea to just buy a fund that follows the S&P as it climbs back up.

For the casual investor, I'd go with the last option. I'd also add Roku to your list.

roku and twlo are probably the first purchases I’ll make on the turn. Been watching them everyday.
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Post by Dendrobates on 2020-03-19, 10:49

First time ever buying stocks (we are just so ignorant about it, and no idea where to start. Add in very limited extra income). But we bought some Disney stock.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on 2020-03-19, 11:15

Nordic wrote:Netflix?
Costco?
Amazon?
Microsoft?
Medical Supply Companies?

Investing in companies with good Tech is always a good idea. Probably even more so now. Medical companies could be the new military companies. Even after his is over, there is sure to be a stockpiling.


Teladoc Health Inc (TDOC) has been one keeping me from completely bottoming out - bought last year and is a medical skype type company allowing teleconference doctor visits

Coke/AT&T have been solid - not necessarily during the crash obviously but constant dividends have been nice


Right now I am thinking the bulk of post-crash (still coming) money will go towards Amazon/Walmart - just think their spread and supply chain capabilities are going to bring them back up faster
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Post by Dendrobates on 2020-03-19, 11:26

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Nordic wrote:Netflix?
Costco?
Amazon?
Microsoft?
Medical Supply Companies?

Investing in companies with good Tech is always a good idea. Probably even more so now. Medical companies could be the new military companies. Even after his is over, there is sure to be a stockpiling.


Teladoc Health Inc (TDOC) has been one keeping me from completely bottoming out - bought last year and is a medical skype type company allowing teleconference doctor visits

Coke/AT&T have been solid - not necessarily during the crash obviously but constant dividends have been nice


Right now I am thinking the bulk of post-crash (still coming) money will go towards Amazon/Walmart - just think their spread and supply chain capabilities are going to bring them back up faster

I wish I had some baller money for that. I wouldn’t be able to buy 1 share.


That’s also why we’ve stayed away from buying stocks. What little we could contribute would rarely make any dent.
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Post by steveschneider on 2020-03-19, 11:29

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Nordic wrote:Netflix?
Costco?
Amazon?
Microsoft?
Medical Supply Companies?

Investing in companies with good Tech is always a good idea. Probably even more so now. Medical companies could be the new military companies. Even after his is over, there is sure to be a stockpiling.


Teladoc Health Inc (TDOC) has been one keeping me from completely bottoming out - bought last year and is a medical skype type company allowing teleconference doctor visits

Coke/AT&T have been solid - not necessarily during the crash obviously but constant dividends have been nice


Right now I am thinking the bulk of post-crash (still coming) money will go towards Amazon/Walmart - just think their spread and supply chain capabilities are going to bring them back up faster

Yep, I've held T. The dividends are amazing. I also have used it to write covered calls out of the money so I keep a nice premium coming in.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-19, 12:48

Dendrobates wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Nordic wrote:Netflix?
Costco?
Amazon?
Microsoft?
Medical Supply Companies?

Investing in companies with good Tech is always a good idea. Probably even more so now. Medical companies could be the new military companies. Even after his is over, there is sure to be a stockpiling.

Teladoc Health Inc (TDOC) has been one keeping me from completely bottoming out - bought last year and is a medical skype type company allowing teleconference doctor visits

Coke/AT&T have been solid - not necessarily during the crash obviously but constant dividends have been nice

Right now I am thinking the bulk of post-crash (still coming) money will go towards Amazon/Walmart - just think their spread and supply chain capabilities are going to bring them back up faster

I wish I had some baller money for that. I wouldn’t be able to buy 1 share.

That’s also why we’ve stayed away from buying stocks. What little we could contribute would rarely make any dent.

Stick with index funds. You'll be fine.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-19, 13:19

Heat Miser wrote:
Dendrobates wrote:

I wish I had some baller money for that. I wouldn’t be able to buy 1 share.

That’s also why we’ve stayed away from buying stocks. What little we could contribute would rarely make any dent.

Stick with index funds. You'll be fine.

Booooorrrrinnnnnggg

I'm not going to fuck with my retirement stuff. I leave that up to my investment guy(s). But I'm getting itchy to play around a bit with some loose cash. Can't gambol right now, minus well play the market.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-19, 13:23

Dow up +124.5pts tOfficial: What stocks should we be looking to buy right now? thread - Page 2 4198636888
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-19, 13:50

let me know what people who wear khakis are into and I'll buy some of that.
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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-19, 13:51

Robert J Sakimano wrote:let me know what people who wear khakis are into and I'll buy some of that.

Michigan football futures. GL.
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Post by DWags on 2020-03-19, 14:04

Nordic wrote:Dow up +124.5pts tOfficial: What stocks should we be looking to buy right now? thread - Page 2 4198636888


cheers cheers cheers
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-19, 14:10

Nordic wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:let me know what people who wear khakis are into and I'll buy some of that.

Michigan football futures. GL.
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maybe I could also buy some shares of some Up North-related stuff.. golf clubs.. fudge.. button up shirts.
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Post by Heat Miser on 2020-03-19, 14:39

Robert J Sakimano wrote:let me know what people who wear khakis are into and I'll buy some of that.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2020-03-19, 14:41

Heat Miser wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:let me know what people who wear khakis are into and I'll buy some of that.

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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-19, 16:30

DWags wrote:
Nordic wrote:Dow up +124.5pts tOfficial: What stocks should we be looking to buy right now? thread - Page 2 4198636888


cheers cheers cheers

+188.27

The Bull run is on!
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2020-03-22, 00:25

Not a stock market guy. But it's Zoom on the nyse?
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Post by Nordic on 2020-03-22, 00:31

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Not a stock market guy. But it's Zoom on the nyse?

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