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Post by steveschneider 2020-04-27, 13:13

Rocinante wrote:1.Larry Bird
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kevin Mc-Kale
4. John Stockton
5. Kenny Sailors

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Post by steveschneider 2020-04-27, 13:18

Jordan benefits from the sneakers. He had the best branding and people loved it. The dunk contest vs Domonique as well. Funny you look back at that dunk contest and it seems pedestrian by today’s standards.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2020-04-27, 13:19

Rocinante wrote:1.Larry Bird
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kevin Mc-Kale
4. John Stockton
5. Kenny Sailors

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Post by DWags 2020-04-27, 13:23

steveschneider wrote:As player:
1969–1975 Milwaukee Bucks
1975–1989 Los Angeles Lakers
As coach:
2000 Los Angeles Clippers (assistant)
2002 Oklahoma Storm
2005–2011 Los Angeles Lakers (assistant)
Career highlights and awards

6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986)
5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1985)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974, 1975, 1979–1981)
6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970, 1971, 1976–1978, 1984)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1970)
2× NBA scoring champion (1971, 1972)
NBA rebounding champion (1976)
4× NBA blocks leader (1975, 1976, 1979, 1980)
No. 33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
No. 33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
3× NCAA champion (1967–1969)
3× NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (1967–1969)
3× National college player of the year (1967–1969)
3× Consensus first-team All-American (1967–1969)
No. 33 retired by UCLA Bruins
3× First-team Parade All-American (1963–1965)
2× Mr. Basketball USA (1964, 1965)
Presidential Medal of Freedom (2016)

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USBL champion (2002)

As assistant coach:

2× NBA champion (2009, 2010)

Career NBA statistics
Points 38,387 (24.6 ppg)
Rebounds 17,440 (11.2 rpg)
Assists 5,660 (3.6 apg)

You know, I always wondered what happened to him after he left the bucks. Thanks.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2020-04-27, 13:31

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aualum06 wrote:

Yeah Paul can't even suck Isaiah's cock let alone be in the same atmosphere as a ball player

Whatever you say, fella.

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So you're saying that Isaiah played in a far better era with better players than Chris Paul played in.  Can't argue with that.
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Post by Cameron 2020-04-27, 13:37

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Whatever you say, fella.

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So you're saying that Isaiah played in a far better era with better players than Chris Paul played in.  Can't argue with that.

Yeah, I don't think that's quite what I was saying.

The league and the players in it are better now. The shooting and shot selection/distribution is MUCH better, defenses are better and more sophisticated, and the game is more enjoyable to watch.
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Post by kingstonlake 2020-04-27, 13:39

Robert J Sakimano wrote:definitely the GOAT as far as I'm concerned.. you don't have to like it.

1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Bird

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Post by aualum06 2020-04-27, 13:47

steveschneider wrote:Jordan benefits from the sneakers. He had the best branding and people loved it. The dunk contest vs Domonique as well. Funny you look back at that dunk contest and it seems pedestrian by today’s standards.


Yeah he's really the first guy that was a marketed superstar. Isn't he a coke guy too?
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Post by steveschneider 2020-04-27, 14:02

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steveschneider wrote:Jordan benefits from the sneakers. He had the best branding and people loved it. The dunk contest vs Domonique as well. Funny you look back at that dunk contest and it seems pedestrian by today’s standards.


Yeah he's really the first guy that was a marketed superstar. Isn't he a coke guy too?

Hanes, Gatorade, McDonalds, Nike and I think there was a Coke commercial. His friggin shoes are still a BFD, there would be lines in the morning in NYC full of kids waiting to buy them in the last ten years or so. Also, UofM sold out and took on his branding. If they were really a Michigan school and not just a stopping ground for east coast transplants they'd never take on that logo.
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Post by DWags 2020-04-27, 14:21

steveschneider wrote:Jordan benefits from the sneakers. He had the best branding and people loved it. The dunk contest vs Domonique as well. Funny you look back at that dunk contest and it seems pedestrian by today’s standards.

I think it was a perfect storm of Nike blowing up Mars Blackmon and Jordan all starting to peak at the same time. “Gotta be the shoes” and “Bo knows” had to be pushed on us in or near the same time. 88,90,91. Maybe I’m not remembering right.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2020-04-27, 15:48

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So you're saying that Isaiah played in a far better era with better players than Chris Paul played in.  Can't argue with that.

Yeah, I don't think that's quite what I was saying.

The league and the players in it are better now. The shooting and shot selection/distribution is MUCH better, defenses are better and more sophisticated, and the game is more enjoyable to watch.

Well, you show two guys who's stats are pretty similar on the link. But you copy and paste the part of it that shows that one got more individual honors, which of course, are relative to who else is in the league at the time they're playing. So Paul's stats wouldn't have gotten him most of those honors in the 80s.

Honestly, though, comparing stats between two players of different eras is always going to be pointless for the very reason that they played in different eras when the styles and trends of play were different, and even when the rules were somewhat different.

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Post by steveschneider 2020-04-27, 15:54

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Yeah, I don't think that's quite what I was saying.

The league and the players in it are better now. The shooting and shot selection/distribution is MUCH better, defenses are better and more sophisticated, and the game is more enjoyable to watch.

Well, you show two guys who's stats are pretty similar on the link. But you copy and paste the part of it that shows that one got more individual honors, which of course, are relative to who else is in the league at the time they're playing. So Paul's stats wouldn't have gotten him most of those honors in the 80s.

Honestly, though, comparing stats between two players of different eras is always going to be pointless for the very reason that they played in different eras when the styles and trends of play were different, and even when the rules were somewhat different.


When Isaiah got injured in a playoff game he put up 25+ points on one leg. When CP3 got hurt he went into the tunnel.
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Post by aualum06 2020-04-27, 15:54

steveschneider wrote:
aualum06 wrote:


Yeah he's really the first guy that was a marketed superstar. Isn't he a coke guy too?

Hanes, Gatorade, McDonalds, Nike and I think there was a Coke commercial. His friggin shoes are still a BFD, there would be lines in the morning in NYC full of kids waiting to buy them in the last ten years or so. Also, UofM sold out and took on his branding. If they were really a Michigan school and not just a stopping ground for east coast transplants they'd never take on that logo.

Still remember the genius of the wingtips commercial
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Post by NigelUno 2020-04-27, 15:56

steveschneider wrote:
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Bro

Kareem, Lebron, Kobe, Jordan all belong in the discussion no? Multiple rings, top of the all time scoring list.

Magic > Kareem.
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Post by steveschneider 2020-04-27, 16:14

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Kareem, Lebron, Kobe, Jordan all belong in the discussion no? Multiple rings, top of the all time scoring list.

Magic > Kareem.

I'll just note I'm glad everyone is fighting about sports again.
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Post by Cameron 2020-04-27, 16:34

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Yeah, I don't think that's quite what I was saying.

The league and the players in it are better now. The shooting and shot selection/distribution is MUCH better,  defenses are better and more sophisticated, and the game is more enjoyable to watch.

Well, you show two guys who's stats are pretty similar on the link.  But you copy and paste the part of it that shows that one got more individual honors, which of course, are relative to who else is in the league at the time they're playing.  So Paul's stats wouldn't have gotten him most of those honors in the 80s.

Honestly, though, comparing stats between two players of different eras is always going to be pointless for the very reason that they played in different eras when the styles and trends of play were different, and even when the rules were somewhat different.


There's no end to the amount of subjective spin you can put on stats and awards. I mostly just posted that comparison in response to whoever said Isiah Thomas is a top 10 guy, because he's basically Chris Paul, and Chris Paul is not a top 10 guy.

For the record, I have no particular affinity for Chris Paul. I actually think he's kind of a bitch.
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Post by Senior Dickfist 2020-04-27, 16:36

OTPT: 10
Jordan: 6

Am I doing this right?
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Post by tGreenWay 2020-04-27, 16:38

Senior Dickfist wrote:OTPT: 10
Jordan: 6

Am I doing this right?


Looks good to me.
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Post by aualum06 2020-04-27, 16:41

Senior Dickfist wrote:OTPT: 10
Jordan: 6

Am I doing this right?


Where's the oatmeal
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Post by Turtleneck 2020-04-27, 16:43

I guess Steve got tired of being a good poster and decided to slide back to dumbest person to ever have access to the Internet.
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Post by Senior Dickfist 2020-04-27, 16:48

aualum06 wrote:
Senior Dickfist wrote:OTPT: 10
Jordan: 6

Am I doing this right?


Where's the oatmeal

Picture this...You're in the midst of an epic 1 on 1 between OTPT and Jordan. Jenison is absolutely rocking and you're having a blast watching a fellow Swiller beat up on Jordan. The issue? You're hungry. You look around for a vendor selling a hotdog or something. That's when you see Travis and his stupid fucking oats. He's selling bags of oats like they're an 1/8 of weed. That fucker.
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Post by Turtleneck 2020-04-27, 16:49

Travis sells delicious oats.
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Post by steveschneider 2020-04-27, 16:49

Turtleneck wrote:I guess Steve got tired of being a good poster and decided to slide back to dumbest person to ever have access to the Internet.

Jordan sucked at baseball.
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Post by DWags 2020-04-27, 17:17

Senior Dickfist wrote:OTPT: 10
Jordan: 6

Am I doing this right?


(please read in a British accent)

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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2020-04-27, 17:35

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:definitely the GOAT as far as I'm concerned.. you don't have to like it.

1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Bird

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Post by MiamiSpartan 2020-04-27, 17:50

So in addition to being a blue, is turtleneck also a bull?
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Post by DWags 2020-04-27, 17:51

MiamiSpartan wrote:So in addition to being a blue, is turtleneck also a bull?

Maybe we have a bunch of blue bulls on this board. Matter of fact, I'd bet we're a community of blue bulls just walking around.
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Post by duffy munn 2020-04-27, 18:33

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duffy munn wrote:I will never understand how Isiah gets snubbed when people talk about the all-time greats. Was he an asshole? Maybe but pound for pound is a top 10 player ever. His performance on one leg in game 6 of the 88 finals was the best I've ever seen. the guy took down Magic and Jordan in their primes.

But for some reason nobody wants to talk about Zeke when they talk about Magic, Bird and MJ. Shit, we hear more about guys like Barkley. Leaving Thomas off the dream team was criminal. John Stockton? Give me a fucking break. When they met after the dream team was announced Isiah destroyed him.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/chris_paul_vs_isiah_thomas.htm

Dude no. I don't give a shit about those stats. ( for losers). If I need a point guard and the choice is Isiah or Paul, it's Zeke 100 times out of 100.
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2020-04-27, 18:35

Can someone give me a heads-up when they interview Matt Stegosaurus? That's the only episode I'm interested in.
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Post by Cameron 2020-04-27, 19:03

duffy munn wrote:
Cameron wrote:

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/chris_paul_vs_isiah_thomas.htm

Dude no. I don't give a shit about those stats. ( for losers). If I need a point guard and the choice is Isiah or Paul, it's Zeke 100 times out of 100.

I don't disagree, but neither is a top 10 guy.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2020-04-27, 19:13

DWags wrote:Matter of fact, I'd bet we're a community of blue balls just walking around.
fixed.
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Post by duffy munn 2020-04-27, 19:33

Cameron wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

Dude no. I don't give a shit about those stats. ( for losers). If I need a point guard and the choice is Isiah or Paul, it's Zeke 100 times out of 100.

I don't disagree, but neither is a top 10 guy.

IMO there is one point guard in NBA history I would take 100% over Isiah and his name is Magic. The other in the conversation is Steph Curry. And then OTPT.
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Post by Turtleneck 2020-04-28, 10:55

OTPT is totally overrated. Good shooter, but shitty handles and can’t get his own shot. His idea of defense is standing around waiting to play offense.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher 2020-04-28, 11:16

Didn't OTPT say that he played against Booker in a Gus Macker or something and held his own? Fuck Michael Jordan - Page 2 502811600

Also fwiw Devin Booker is criminally underrated in NBA 2K. He's an 86. Trae Young is a 90.
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Post by tGreenWay 2020-04-28, 11:27

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Didn't OTPT say that he played against Booker in a Gus Macker or something and held his own? Fuck Michael Jordan - Page 2 502811600

Also fwiw Devin Booker is criminally underrated in NBA 2K. He's an 86. Trae Young is a 90.


OTPT was referring to Corey Booker.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ 2020-04-28, 11:48

Turtleneck wrote:OTPT is totally overrated. Good shooter, but shitty handles and can’t get his own shot. His idea of defense is standing around waiting to play offense.

That's the best defense

My idea of offense is standing 5ft behind the 3pt line
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2020-04-28, 11:53

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Didn't OTPT say that he played against Booker in a Gus Macker or something and held his own? Fuck Michael Jordan - Page 2 502811600

Also fwiw Devin Booker is criminally underrated in NBA 2K. He's an 86. Trae Young is a 90.

Booker was in 8th grade or some shit while we were at least juniors in HS and we won that game. True story. Good memory wbh
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher 2020-04-28, 12:04

That makes some sense. Was he any good in 8th grade? Tall?

This is the definitive piece on the topic du jour. Spread it for the world to see.

https://www.nba.com/pistons/features/err-jordan-he-hated-pistons-needed-become-them-earn-validation-he-craved
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Post by Cameron 2020-04-28, 12:27

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:That makes some sense. Was he any good in 8th grade? Tall?

This is the definitive piece on the topic du jour. Spread it for the world to see.

https://www.nba.com/pistons/features/err-jordan-he-hated-pistons-needed-become-them-earn-validation-he-craved

Some decent points in there, but the overall premise is complete horseshit.

Everything he despised about the Pistons – which really boils down to their cutthroat competitiveness, a trait passed on to them by Larry Bird’s Boston Celtics

Michael Jordan hated the Pistons but needed to become them to beat them. No wonder he was so reluctant to let the world in on his secret.

"What he hated about them was they were competitive, so he had to become competitive to beat them." That's fucking asinine. Does anyone actually believe Jordan wasn't maniacally competitive his entire life?
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Post by DWags 2020-04-28, 12:34

Yeah you don’t get to orth Carolina, want the ball at the end of a National championship game and not be hyper competitive. He was told in his second year if he re injured his foot it could be his career yet he wanted to play.
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