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Post by pulling69 on Thu 21 May 2020 - 19:40

You can pry my steaks/burgers/pork chops/ribs/grilled chicken/brats/etc out of my cold, dead hands.
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Post by steveschneider on Thu 21 May 2020 - 19:41

CORNER BLITZ wrote:True, but regular people still require protein and at greater amounts as they age. That does not come as easily through products compared to real food and then even less easily through vegan "foods"

And to your point people would say "I'm not an athlete so I don't need/want to add a (very expensive) vegan protein shake to my diet".... but that will be the opposite of the case for most.

I don’t know much about diet but what I saw in an interview with the guy that wrote about blue zones one common thread was they all ate a lot of beans. Would that do the trick?
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 20:25

steveschneider wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:True, but regular people still require protein and at greater amounts as they age. That does not come as easily through products compared to real food and then even less easily through vegan "foods"

And to your point people would say "I'm not an athlete so I don't need/want to add a (very expensive) vegan protein shake to my diet".... but that will be the opposite of the case for most.

I don’t know much about diet but what I saw in an interview with the guy that wrote about blue zones one common thread was they all ate a lot of beans. Would that do the trick?

There's nothing necessarily wrong with going on a vegan diet, it's just harder to get all the nutrients you actually need (which I would personally classify as less healthy but fuck if I care what someone wants to eat)

But yeah, beans can work. Best sources for protein in most vegan lists will be beans, tofu, lentils, chickpeas, and vegan protein shakes. Probably also want/need to supplement (or make sure to eat plenty of "fortified" aka already supplemented foods) with vitamin B12, Vitamin D (although I think most probably need that especially us still in Michigan), iodine, iron, and calcium
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Post by InTenSity on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:10

The whole food industry is built off the backs of the poor. If you want change you need to pressure retailers, even those that 'ethically' source food will only do so if they make a profit, the laborers aren't getting more $$ because the price of something is higher or lower, their still getting paid shit.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:14

Another thing on the protein in beans/plant options. 

The film uses lentils to says how easy it is to get protein and that 18g is close to steak having 24ish g of protein. Which, yes, they are close in total but it's 1 cooked cup of lenitls vs 3oz of steak...when is the last time anyone ate 3 oz of steak? Their first two bites?

Looked up beans for you. Per 100g you've got 5g fat, 22g carbs, 6g protein. A NY Strip/100g has 2.7g fat, 0g carbs, and 23g protein. So you would have to eat over 4lbs of beans in a day to come close to a decent number on protein
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:21

steveschneider wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:True, but regular people still require protein and at greater amounts as they age. That does not come as easily through products compared to real food and then even less easily through vegan "foods"

And to your point people would say "I'm not an athlete so I don't need/want to add a (very expensive) vegan protein shake to my diet".... but that will be the opposite of the case for most.

I don’t know much about diet but what I saw in an interview with the guy that wrote about blue zones one common thread was they all ate a lot of beans. Would that do the trick?


Beans are a good source of protein, especially for vegans.  But you gotta eat a shitload of beans (calories) to equal a chicken breast.

One of my favorite parts of Game Changers is the strongman saying 'he got as strong as an ox eating like an ox'. He's right, but it is easier to just eat the ox.


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Post by Turtleneck on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:26

Make your pick, Nordic. Stop screwing around in this thread.
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Post by aualum06 on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:31

Turtleneck wrote:Make your pick, Nordic. Stop screwing around in this thread.

He did turtleneck
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:31

What's your favorite veggie T-neck?
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Post by Turtleneck on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:32

aualum06 wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:Make your pick, Nordic. Stop screwing around in this thread.

He did turtleneck

It's his turn again. Round 3.
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Post by Turtleneck on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:33

Nordic wrote:What's your favorite veggie T-neck?

I like carrots a lot. I don't peel them though. Lots of flavor that way.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:36

Nordic wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I don’t know much about diet but what I saw in an interview with the guy that wrote about blue zones one common thread was they all ate a lot of beans. Would that do the trick?


Beans are a good source of protein, especially for vegans.  But you gotta eat a shitload of beans (calories) to equal a chicken breast.

One of my favorite parts of Game Changers is the strongman saying 'he got as strong as an ox eating like an ox'. He's right, but it is easier to just eat the ox.

Also no one had ever heard of that guy and all the top strongmen eat meat...so yes possible, but not optimal
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:39

Turtleneck wrote:
Nordic wrote:What's your favorite veggie T-neck?

I like carrots a lot. I don't peel them though. Lots of flavor that way.


I don't peel Kiwi - just raw dog those bad boys
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Post by tGreenWay on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:40

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Rocinante wrote:“ The amount of additional food and supplements needed to cover nutritional deficiencies from cutting out animal foods would be astronomical and missed by many, especially those lower on the economic totem pole”

I don’t think this is necessarily true. I think you’re right, vilifying meat consumption is stupid, unnecessary, and unproductive, but in the us, we have a food production system that undervalues nutrition and subsidizes meat production. It could be changed slowly. People won’t riot if the cost of meat slowly creeps up if there’s a national strategy to push alternative proteins at the same time. It’s culture and policy. Like everything. Oh geez you mean government's necessary Roc? You’re a socialist!

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Vegetable production also highly subsidized and leads greatly to undermining nutrition through alternative foods somewhat similar to "big meat" subsidizing #thatswhatshesaid

Not a huge Layne Norton fan, but previous and next videos are decent and he does know his shit. Previous was just debunking some "studies" from the film and this one goes further into the film dude roasting some guy that was against the film in a 3+ hour Rogan podcast.





Main part to that and why I said the meat is murder for humans/animals/earth agenda will require supplementation to not create a larger health crisis is around 28:55 of the video or written below from his website https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-debate-james-wilks-vs-chris-kresser-on-the-joe-rogan-experience/


James states that they are basically in agreement on protein intakes for athletes. Anywhere from 1.0-2.2g/kg body weight or 2.3-3.1g/kg LBM for those in a caloric deficit. He says that he’s shown people can get that eating vegan foods. No James, you demonstrated you could get 18g of protein from a cup of cooked lentils or a peanut butter sandwich. Let’s take an athlete who is 80 kg and they target 1.6g protein/kg BW. That is a total of 128g protein. To get that from say peanut butter sandwiches, you’d need to eat about 7 peanut butter sandwiches to get it. That comes with about ~2900 calories. Doable? Sure. But this omits the fact that peanut butter is a poor scoring protein on the PDCAAS (protein digestibility corrected amino acid score) at 0.7. Wheat Protein from bread is even worse at 0.25

This means that both of these are low quality proteins that do not have the same metabolic impact as higher quality proteins even at the same intake. For example, in my research, we demonstrated that whey and egg white protein were superior to the same amount of wheat protein even when calories and protein were equated. However, if total protein got high enough, it made up the difference but to get protein high enough it had to be 30% of total calories, which is a very high protein diet. [29] That would be 150g on a 2000 calorie diet, juxtapose that with the above example of someone getting only 128g of protein eating peanut butter sandwiches but with a whopping 2900 calories. So yes, vegans can get enough protein from vegan protein sources, but they will need more TOTAL protein to get the same benefits as animal protein due to the lower essential amino acid content and digestibility.

Keep in mind that the studies examining optimal protein intake were NOT in vegans, they were in omnivores, a fact James neglects to mention and Chris fails to bring up. So while 1.6g/kg bodyweight protein intake may be optimal for omnivores, it is likely that vegans will require more than that. Based on our data and a little bit of opinion, probably about 10-40% more based on the differences in leucine contents of plant vs. animal sources of protein. That would take our athlete consuming 128g protein up to ~150g protein or possibly way more per day



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Post by tGreenWay on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:42

Rocinante wrote:CB:
I guess I’m taking about regular people, not athletes. American bodies are certainly over caloried on the whole which is obvious if anyone just looks at us.

And I’m no vegetarian, I’m just stating that if properly coordinated, we could reduce the perceived need of the amount of meat in our diets.


Speak for yourself, chunk.
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 21:51

Turtleneck wrote:
Nordic wrote:What's your favorite veggie T-neck?

I like carrots a lot. I don't peel them though. Lots of flavor that way.


Fuck pealing. Good fiber. I eat the skin on potatoes and husks from peanuts.
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Post by Cameron on Thu 21 May 2020 - 22:12

Nordic wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

I like carrots a lot. I don't peel them though. Lots of flavor that way.


Fuck pealing. Good fiber. I eat the skin on potatoes and husks from peanuts.

Hell, I like to eat just the skin. With cheddar, bacon, and sour cream. Oh, and a little sriracha.
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 22:16

Cameron wrote:
Nordic wrote:


Fuck pealing. Good fiber. I eat the skin on potatoes and husks from peanuts.

Hell, I like to eat just the skin. With cheddar, bacon, and sour cream. Oh, and a little sriracha.

That would go good with a steak.
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Post by Cameron on Thu 21 May 2020 - 22:17

Nordic wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Hell, I like to eat just the skin. With cheddar, bacon, and sour cream. Oh, and a little sriracha.

That would go good with a steak.
Can confirm.
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 22:41

tGreenWay wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Vegetable production also highly subsidized and leads greatly to undermining nutrition through alternative foods somewhat similar to "big meat" subsidizing #thatswhatshesaid

Not a huge Layne Norton fan, but previous and next videos are decent and he does know his shit. Previous was just debunking some "studies" from the film and this one goes further into the film dude roasting some guy that was against the film in a 3+ hour Rogan podcast.





Main part to that and why I said the meat is murder for humans/animals/earth agenda will require supplementation to not create a larger health crisis is around 28:55 of the video or written below from his website https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-debate-james-wilks-vs-chris-kresser-on-the-joe-rogan-experience/





I’m old enough to remember when Big Tomato convinced the Reagan Administration to count catsup/ketchup as a vegetable.


CB, have you listened to the James Wilkes/Chris Kresser podcast referenced in your video? It is something else. Imagine Nigel arguing Nigel on a podcast. 

A lot of the shit in Game Changers is spin. The gladiator stuff, protein intake/synthesis, anecdotal athlete success stories, etc.

The cigarette/meat industry marketing parallels were interesting. And overall it made me more conscious of eating more vegatables. I don't think you can argue with eating more vegatables. 

IMO meat, fruit, dairy, vegatables, grains, carbs, fat, and protein each has its place. Along with supplements.
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Post by steveschneider on Thu 21 May 2020 - 23:04

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I don’t know much about diet but what I saw in an interview with the guy that wrote about blue zones one common thread was they all ate a lot of beans. Would that do the trick?

There's nothing necessarily wrong with going on a vegan diet, it's just harder to get all the nutrients you actually need (which I would personally classify as less healthy but fuck if I care what someone wants to eat)

But yeah, beans can work. Best sources for protein in most vegan lists will be beans, tofu, lentils, chickpeas, and vegan protein shakes. Probably also want/need to supplement (or make sure to eat plenty of "fortified" aka already supplemented foods) with vitamin B12, Vitamin D (although I think most probably need that especially us still in Michigan), iodine, iron, and calcium

I’m fascinated. I’m not a vegan, would routine dairy intake give me enough protein? If not do you have a link to a recipe for these protein shakes.
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 23:18

Diary is not in a vegan diet, but diary is a great source of protein. 

Protein shake: Greek yogurt, fruit & milk/water There are vegan protein powders you can swap for the yogurt if you want to go vegan.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 23:23

Nordic wrote:
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I’m old enough to remember when Big Tomato convinced the Reagan Administration to count catsup/ketchup as a vegetable.


CB, have you listened to the James Wilkes/Chris Kresser podcast referenced in your video? It is something else. Imagine Nigel arguing Nigel on a podcast. 

A lot of the shit in Game Changers is spin. The gladiator stuff, protein intake/synthesis, anecdotal athlete success stories, etc.

The cigarette/meat industry marketing parallels were interesting. And overall it made me more conscious of eating more vegatables. I don't think you can argue with eating more vegatables. 

IMO any diet that says you shouldn't eat certain types of whole food (meat, fruit, dairy, vegatables, grains, etc.) or macros (carbs, fat, protein) is bullshit. Each has a place.

Not the entire thing - caught one of the clips where the vegan dude was railing into the other guy who was just too quiet and timid to say anything back vs the vegan guy that came in guns blazing and prepped for a fight


I've watched all the "docs" though: What the wheat, forks over knives, vegucated, cowspiracy, fat sick & nearly dead, foodmatters...probably some others I'm forgetting. 
They're all pretty much the same and have a lot of the same people in them. I liked Fat Sick & Nearly dead best - he did a 2nd one but it wasn't as good. Game Changers obviously the best looking with James Cameron working on it (and blaming BIG MEAT while he owns a vegan protein company).

I could see a carnivore diet in extreme circumstances as it's the ultimate elimination diet, but that would be extreme and far too difficult to adhere to without some serious problem. Could get behind people saying no to grains as well since you can get all you need from meat, dairy, fruit, veggies, nuts, seeds and we got a pretty decent fat problem building with bulking up being grains best trait - popcorn could be an exception there
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Post by Nordic on Thu 21 May 2020 - 23:26

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Nordic wrote:


CB, have you listened to the James Wilkes/Chris Kresser podcast referenced in your video? It is something else. Imagine Nigel arguing Nigel on a podcast. 

A lot of the shit in Game Changers is spin. The gladiator stuff, protein intake/synthesis, anecdotal athlete success stories, etc.

The cigarette/meat industry marketing parallels were interesting. And overall it made me more conscious of eating more vegatables. I don't think you can argue with eating more vegatables. 

IMO any diet that says you shouldn't eat certain types of whole food (meat, fruit, dairy, vegatables, grains, etc.) or macros (carbs, fat, protein) is bullshit. Each has a place.

Not the entire thing - caught one of the clips where the vegan dude was railing into the other guy who was just too quiet and timid to say anything back vs the vegan guy that came in guns blazing and prepped for a fight


I've watched all the "docs" though: What the wheat, forks over knives, vegucated, cowspiracy, fat sick & nearly dead, foodmatters...probably some others I'm forgetting. 
They're all pretty much the same and have a lot of the same people in them. I liked Fat Sick & Nearly dead best - he did a 2nd one but it wasn't as good. Game Changers obviously the best looking with James Cameron working on it (and blaming BIG MEAT while he owns a vegan protein company).

I could see a carnivore diet in extreme circumstances as it's the ultimate elimination diet, but that would be extreme and far too difficult to adhere to without some serious problem. Could get behind people saying no to grains as well since you can get all you need from meat, dairy, fruit, veggies, nuts, seeds and we got a pretty decent fat problem building with bulking up being grains best trait - popcorn could be an exception there

Yeah pretty much. He went full bully/talk-over-you mode.

Everything in moderation.Whole grains are good for fiber.

As I eat a bowl full of vegan goldfish crackers.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 23:40

steveschneider wrote:
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There's nothing necessarily wrong with going on a vegan diet, it's just harder to get all the nutrients you actually need (which I would personally classify as less healthy but fuck if I care what someone wants to eat)

But yeah, beans can work. Best sources for protein in most vegan lists will be beans, tofu, lentils, chickpeas, and vegan protein shakes. Probably also want/need to supplement (or make sure to eat plenty of "fortified" aka already supplemented foods) with vitamin B12, Vitamin D (although I think most probably need that especially us still in Michigan), iodine, iron, and calcium

I’m fascinated. I’m not a vegan, would routine dairy intake give me enough protein? If not do you have a link to a recipe for these protein shakes.


As nordic said milk isn't vegan as vegan is zero animal/animal products. Vegetarians have multiple different types, for lack of a better word, and may include animal products such as eggs/milk

A vegan protein shake would usually be something like soy/almond (or some other nut) milk and a scoop of vegan protein powder (usually pea protein from what I've seen in aisles). That would be a completely basic shake. If you wanted to do more it's really limitless to add whatever flavors you like. 

Feel like most popular mixes I see would be something along the lines of liquid (if vegan soy milk) + protein powder + banana + PB2


-Could not tell you what is a good vegan protein powder, even then you may have a different taste and may like a different one than me anyways
-I'd probably pick some juicy nut milk over soy - but pick whatever looks good with a peek at the nutrition label to make sure they're not loading it with sugar to make it palatable 
-PB2,  most stores have this but here's an amazon link to see what it is if you've never heard of it before
https://www.amazon.com/PB2-Powdered-Peanut-Butter-6-5/dp/B002GJ9JWS


I'm not a huge add on pb guy. If I'm making one it's usually a basic shake since its fast and easy and still tastes good. My favorite is scoop of cookies and cream protein + 8oz whole milk (occasionally splurge for fairlife) + 3/4 cup frozen blueberries + 1 banana + couple spanks of cinnamon. Tastes amazing. If I want to gain weight I'd add some pre-blended oats. Original recipe was with graham cracker protein, but only muscle milk made that and I just don't like the way muscle milk tastes on its own so cookies and creme works well (still add the cinnamon to the basic shake to kick it up a bit)
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Thu 21 May 2020 - 23:51

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Not the entire thing - caught one of the clips where the vegan dude was railing into the other guy who was just too quiet and timid to say anything back vs the vegan guy that came in guns blazing and prepped for a fight


I've watched all the "docs" though: What the wheat, forks over knives, vegucated, cowspiracy, fat sick & nearly dead, foodmatters...probably some others I'm forgetting. 
They're all pretty much the same and have a lot of the same people in them. I liked Fat Sick & Nearly dead best - he did a 2nd one but it wasn't as good. Game Changers obviously the best looking with James Cameron working on it (and blaming BIG MEAT while he owns a vegan protein company).

I could see a carnivore diet in extreme circumstances as it's the ultimate elimination diet, but that would be extreme and far too difficult to adhere to without some serious problem. Could get behind people saying no to grains as well since you can get all you need from meat, dairy, fruit, veggies, nuts, seeds and we got a pretty decent fat problem building with bulking up being grains best trait - popcorn could be an exception there

Yeah pretty much. He went full bully/talk-over-you mode.

Everything in moderation.Whole grains are good for fiber.

As I eat a bowl full of vegan goldfish crackers.

Can get plenty of fiber from other sources

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/high-fiber-foods/art-20050948


A sandwich with two slices of whole wheat bread will have less fiber than 1 medium apple. Even looking at that list...I can't be convinced that a muffin is healthy. It's kind of similar to the vegan protein thing for me where it's not that great but something needs to fill the space. Most lists of the best vegan protein sources will generally include a protein shake. The only time that's mentioned on a non vegan list would be as a togo or last minute/quick option - not as a mainstay/base food group


In addition to all the vegan films, I also watch the other side - granted there aren't as many "docs" going that way. The dude that ate McDonalds and lost weight/improved his health markers was a solid rebuttal to  SuperSize Me

This has a low carb bias (speech from a low carb conference) and asks the question of how much fiber is needed


I have some buddies at Kellogg's and I like to send them stuff like that...John Harvey Kellogg was one crazy dude to put it lightly
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Post by Cameron on Fri 22 May 2020 - 0:02

I tend to agree with the notion that one ought to stick to the edges of the grocery store, meaning mostly refrigerated shit (shoutout DWags); fruits, veggies, nuts, meat, some dairy. This is a largely uneducated opinion.
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on Fri 22 May 2020 - 0:14

Cameron wrote:I tend to agree with the notion that one ought to stick to the edges of the grocery store, meaning mostly refrigerated shit (shoutout DWags); fruits, veggies, nuts, meat, some dairy. This is a largely uneducated opinion.

educated AF
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Fri 22 May 2020 - 6:10

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Post by The Pantry on Fri 22 May 2020 - 6:19

No one gives a shit about your numbers or politics, Bob.
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Post by The Pantry on Fri 22 May 2020 - 6:35

InTenSity wrote:The whole food industry is built off the backs of the poor. If you want change you need to pressure retailers, even those that 'ethically' source food will only do so if they make a profit, the laborers aren't getting more $$ because the price of something is higher or lower, their still getting paid shit.
Please correct me if wrong.  Isn't your job a middleman between the poor and retail produce?
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Fri 22 May 2020 - 7:36

I care about your numbers Bob. You won’t keep that healthy youthful blobby glow if you don’t watch them
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Fri 22 May 2020 - 7:45

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I care about your numbers Bob. You won’t keep that healthy youthful blobby glow if you don’t watch them
once I'm released from the Mio RediCare (provided they don't airlift me to Johns Hopkins), I'm gonna swing by the Oscoda Rib Shack and pick up a deep-fried pork hock with a Dorito's dry rub....

ever had one? It's worth the trip.
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Post by Nordic on Fri 22 May 2020 - 10:18

Cameron wrote:I tend to agree with the notion that one ought to stick to the edges of the grocery store, meaning mostly refrigerated shit (shoutout DWags); fruits, veggies, nuts, meat, some dairy. This is a largely uneducated opinion.

That is the easiest and best approach
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Post by Nordic on Fri 22 May 2020 - 11:04

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Nordic wrote:

Yeah pretty much. He went full bully/talk-over-you mode.

Everything in moderation.Whole grains are good for fiber.

As I eat a bowl full of vegan goldfish crackers.

Can get plenty of fiber from other sources

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/high-fiber-foods/art-20050948


A sandwich with two slices of whole wheat bread will have less fiber than 1 medium apple. Even looking at that list...I can't be convinced that a muffin is healthy. It's kind of similar to the vegan protein thing for me where it's not that great but something needs to fill the space. Most lists of the best vegan protein sources will generally include a protein shake. The only time that's mentioned on a non vegan list would be as a togo or last minute/quick option - not as a mainstay/base food group


In addition to all the vegan films, I also watch the other side - granted there aren't as many "docs" going that way. The dude that ate McDonalds and lost weight/improved his health markers was a solid rebuttal to  SuperSize Me

This has a low carb bias (speech from a low carb conference) and asks the question of how much fiber is needed


I have some buddies at Kellogg's and I like to send them stuff like that...John Harvey Kellogg was one crazy dude to put it lightly

You definitely can. I don't eat a ton of grains, but I will eat whole grain bread (toast or a peanut butter samich), flaxseed, oatmeal, etc. Whole grains have a place, just like fruits and vegetables. The breads I get typically have 5-6g of brotein and 4-6g of fiber per slice 120-140 cal slice. Comparable fiber to a piece of fruit. Cals are a bit higher, but not bad and it has protein.

You got to be careful with some "whole wheat/" breads. The more processed the worse the less nutritional value. If your bread doesn't have chunks, it's bullshit. The whole wheat bread my kids eat only has 2gs of fiber and 2gs of protein... and it takes incredibly bland IMO. But I gotta pick my battles with the kids, for the most part the eat good.

I've done just about every diet, mostly the low-carb stuff. I used to eliminate bread and feared carbs.  Not any more. You just have to pick the right stuff. In general I set my daily protein and calorie needs and let the carbs and fat fall where they fall. Whole grains, fruits, potatoes... bring it. Any diet can work, if you stick to it. That is ultimately the key. I find that diets that eliminate certain foods or macros are destined to fail and don't provide the full array of nutrition your body/brain need. Not everybody, some can and need to do it for health reasons. But for most people they are not sustainable. I loosely follow the below, but add meat and dairy for protein. I take advantage of what each food group offers. And I add supplements. I take no chances with deficiencies.

Height: 6' 3-11/16"
Weight: 225(ish)
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Bench: Enough
Mile Time: 8m 33s

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Fri 22 May 2020 - 11:20

speaking of mile time, Nordic, there were some Bros at the East Lansing HS track this morning.. with their dumbbells, etc - I guess with the gyms closed, they have to go somewhere.

To their credit, they were respectful and were cognizant of track etiquette. I've had a few less than positive experiences with a similar subculture at the track since gyms closed, so when they pulled up in their trucks and SUV's, I was understandably a bit concerned.

Shout out to them.

that's all.
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Post by Nordic on Fri 22 May 2020 - 11:42

FWIW, since this thread is about meat, I typically eat meat 5 days per week. Usually only for dinner. I fast during the day, so dinner is also my first meal so it makes it easier. Red meat once, the rest is chicken or pork. Salmon/fish once a week. One day per week, no meat. I will eat bacon ~ once a month for breakfast (obv not fasting that day).  I eat quite a bit of dairy; greek yogurt, eggs, cottage cheese, cheese, etc. And I annihilate peanuts and peanut butter on the regular. If there is one thing I would not be able to cut is peanut products.

Also, I get my meat from Butcher Box. Looks like they have suspended new signups due to the Covid. But I highly recommend it when they open up again. Their meat is really good.


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Post by Nordic on Fri 22 May 2020 - 11:45

Robert J Sakimano wrote:speaking of mile time, Nordic, there were some Bros at the East Lansing HS track this morning.. with their dumbbells, etc - I guess with the gyms closed, they have to go somewhere.

To their credit, they were respectful and were cognizant of track etiquette. I've had a few less than positive experiences with a similar subculture at the track since gyms closed, so when they pulled up in their trucks and SUV's, I was understandably a bit concerned.

Shout out to them.

that's all.

Just punch the biggest dude in the button. Let 'em the others know who's boss and they will leave you alone.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Fri 22 May 2020 - 11:48

Nordic wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:speaking of mile time, Nordic, there were some Bros at the East Lansing HS track this morning.. with their dumbbells, etc - I guess with the gyms closed, they have to go somewhere.

To their credit, they were respectful and were cognizant of track etiquette. I've had a few less than positive experiences with a similar subculture at the track since gyms closed, so when they pulled up in their trucks and SUV's, I was understandably a bit concerned.

Shout out to them.

that's all.

Just punch the biggest dude in the button. Let 'em know who's boss.
then I'll take off running... with the initial stun associated with my right hook, I'll get a good head start. At 50 years old, I've lost speed but I still have endurance.. I'd be on Burcham running east before they came to their senses.

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Post by InTenSity on Fri 22 May 2020 - 17:31

The Pantry wrote:
InTenSity wrote:The whole food industry is built off the backs of the poor. If you want change you need to pressure retailers, even those that 'ethically' source food will only do so if they make a profit, the laborers aren't getting more $$ because the price of something is higher or lower, their still getting paid shit.
Please correct me if wrong.  Isn't your job a middleman between the poor and retail produce?
You aren't wrong. There is nothing I can do to change anything. I could tell you what could add pressure to make changes, though.
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