The 2020 Presidential campaign.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Steve it’s usually mostly white people who say things like “he has to pick a black woman so that it drives African Americans to the polls” as if African Americans are some monolith that only get motivated by race. (Let’s not talk about who thinks African Americans are a monolith on second thought)

It’s either early stage pundit disease where they don’t realize what they are saying is a little, eh, iffy on the broad generalizations because their favorite pundits said it and they are just parroting or it’s just a little bit of racism. I think it’s probably the former.

It's black people saying that he has to pick a black woman, as much or more than white people, Travis. 100 black leaders/celebrities penned an article saying that. They said (or maybe it was a separate comment by a black leader) that if he doesn't, it will be 2016 all over again. I've seen many other black leaders saying similar things.

Also, there was record turnout among blacks for Obama. And then blacks did not turnout well at all for Hillary, and even a little bit better turnout would have flipped the election (hence the "2016 all over again" comment). Sorry, I know you don't want to talk about 2016, but blame the 100 black leaders that brought it up. The fact is that data shows black people are more likely to turn out and vote for black candidates. This isn't some supposition of a monolith, it is actually a factual representation of what has happened over and over again.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:I guess there’s a couple angles. Nominate a phone charger as your VP because people are so sick of Trump they’d vote for you anyway. Or pick someone who you think brings in the most potential voters to your cause of beating Trump. Seems like this election is unlike any others. Job 1 seems to be defeating trump and less about an a idealistic movement for the party.

That sounds phenomenally like every other election of all time. Like, if I were tasked with coming up with a phrase to make it sound like this election isn’t in anyway different than past ones, I think that’s what I’d say.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

That sounds phenomenally like every other election of all time. Like, if I were tasked with coming up with a phrase to make it sound like this election isn’t in anyway different than past ones, I think that’s what I’d say.

Yes, that is often said to try to bring a party together, no question. But this time, that goal goes well beyond just members of the Democratic party. Hell, a current Republican and former presidential candidate of the party is speaking at the Democratic National Convention. Other well-known Republicans/Republican-leans are against Trump. While not as many as I would like, I don't remember anything close to this before, from either side. Were there even any high profile "Reagan Democrats"? Even if there were, I don't believe it was anti-Carter or anti-Mondale. So yeah, this anti-Trump movement is pretty rare.

Cameron wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:


It's black people saying that he has to pick a black woman, as much or more than white people, Travis.  100 black leaders/celebrities penned an article saying that.  They said (or maybe it was a separate comment by a black leader) that if he doesn't, it will be 2016 all over again.  I've seen many other black leaders saying similar things.

Also, there was record turnout among blacks for Obama.  And then blacks did not turnout well at all for Hillary, and even a little bit better turnout would have flipped the election (hence the "2016 all over again" comment).  Sorry, I know you don't want to talk about 2016, but blame the 100 black leaders that brought it up.  The fact is that data shows black people are more likely to turn out and vote for black candidates.  This isn't some supposition of a monolith, it is actually a factual representation of what has happened over and over again.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you cited one questionable example and then say it happens over and over again. Can you point to an example other than uniquely terrible Hillary?

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

That sounds phenomenally like every other election of all time. Like, if I were tasked with coming up with a phrase to make it sound like this election isn’t in anyway different than past ones, I think that’s what I’d say.

Yes, that is often said to try to bring a party together, no question. But this time, that goal goes well beyond just members of the Democratic party. Hell, a current Republican and former presidential candidate of the party is speaking at the Democratic National Convention. Other well-known Republicans/Republican-leans are against Trump. While not as many as I would like, I don't remember anything close to this before, from either side. Were there even any high profile "Reagan Democrats"? Even if there were, I don't believe it was anti-Carter or anti-Mondale. So yeah, this anti-Trump movement is pretty rare.

steveschneider wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:


It's black people saying that he has to pick a black woman, as much or more than white people, Travis. 100 black leaders/celebrities penned an article saying that. They said (or maybe it was a separate comment by a black leader) that if he doesn't, it will be 2016 all over again. I've seen many other black leaders saying similar things.

Also, there was record turnout among blacks for Obama. And then blacks did not turnout well at all for Hillary, and even a little bit better turnout would have flipped the election (hence the "2016 all over again" comment). Sorry, I know you don't want to talk about 2016, but blame the 100 black leaders that brought it up. The fact is that data shows black people are more likely to turn out and vote for black candidates. This isn't some supposition of a monolith, it is actually a factual representation of what has happened over and over again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-vp-black-democrats-are-torn-between-harris-warren-n1232312

I’ve seen a lot of polling evidence and takes from prominent voices in the African American community they’d prefer Warren. Even Obama early on praised her and it looked like it was going to be Warren for a hot minute.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-vp-black-democrats-are-torn-between-harris-warren-n1232312

I’ve seen a lot of polling evidence and takes from prominent voices in the African American community they’d prefer Warren. Even Obama early on praised her and it looked like it was going to be Warren for a hot minute.

Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that leading voices are saying the opposite.  In other words, it isn't a cut and dry issue.

But as much as we don't want to say that blacks are a monolith, or that Biden can take their vote for granted, are they really going to not show up, thus allowing an overt racist to win, just because the non-racist, friend, and former subordinate of a black president, picked a non-racist white woman?  I can see it not inspiring them, but shouldn't anti-Trump be enough to inspire them.  And look, before someone chimes in with the typical "look at the middle aged white dude telling blacks how to feel", give it a rest. I know I'm saying this as a white guy, and I have zero authority on the matter, and I'm not SAYING how they should feel, I'm ASKING, with the hope of understanding the feelings of a culture that I can't truly understand.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:


Yes, that is often said to try to bring a party together, no question. But this time, that goal goes well beyond just members of the Democratic party. Hell, a current Republican and former presidential candidate of the party is speaking at the Democratic National Convention. Other well-known Republicans/Republican-leans are against Trump. While not as many as I would like, I don't remember anything close to this before, from either side. Were there even any high profile "Reagan Democrats"? Even if there were, I don't believe it was anti-Carter or anti-Mondale. So yeah, this anti-Trump movement is pretty rare.

It’s probably my fault that I didn’t write an essay, but I think you missed what I was saying Miami. That’s on me though.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I just hope that she's likeable and smiles a lot.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I just hope that she's likeable and smiles a lot.

I just get a kick out of people arguing all day on message boards under the guise of some sort of serious tone with real world consequences in the balance.

it's one of the more charming attributes.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I just get a kick out of people arguing all day on message boards under the guise of some sort of serious tone with real world consequences in the balance.

it's one of the more charming attributes.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:


I just get a kick out of people arguing all day on message boards under the guise of some sort of serious tone with real world consequences in the balance.

it's one of the more charming attributes.

So your instinct when you see people having a sincere conversation is to incessantly insert yourself and be a deliberately obnoxious jackass in order to ruin it for everyone? Is that pretty much the long and short if it?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:
So your instinct when you see people having a sincere conversation is to incessantly insert yourself and be a deliberately obnoxious jackass in order to ruin it for everyone? Is that pretty much the long and short if it?

I think the people in question can choose whether or not I ruin it for them.

I certainly wouldn't (and don't) allow the various idiots at tSwill influence my opinion of the place. I just ignore them.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

It’s probably my fault that I didn’t write an essay, but I think you missed what I was saying Miami. That’s on me though.

Who'd have thought that just making a vague sarcastic quip might not get across your point.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I think the people in question can choose whether or not I ruin it for them.

I certainly wouldn't (and don't) allow the various idiots at tSwill influence my opinion of the place. I just ignore them.

So incessantly insert yourself like a deliberately obnoxious jackass and let the chips fall where they may, then? That's much better. It's not sociopathic to have no regard for other people at all, no sir.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:
So incessantly insert yourself like a deliberately obnoxious jackass and let the chips fall where they may, then? That's much better. It's not sociopathic to have no regard for other people at all, no sir.

I'm sorry that my opinions upset you, dude. I really am.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so.. we're hours away from the mainstream media and the GOP tearing apart Biden's VP nominee.

My top 5 list of the women who I hope will be likeable and smile a lot:

1. Kamala - she's black and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
2. Rice- she's black and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
3. Whitmer - she's white, saved lives in Michigan and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
4. Harris - she's white, extraordinarily smart and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
5. Duckworth - an American hero, the living embodiment of a patriot and scares the hell out of insecure white men.

Sexist Attacks Are Wrong. Someone Tell Sarah Palin.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I'm sorry that my opinions upset you, dude. I really am.

It's not your opinions, which are unfailingly facile and predictable, it is your personality that rankles.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so.. we're hours away from the mainstream media and the GOP tearing apart Biden's VP nominee.

My top 5 list of the women who I hope will be likeable and smile a lot:

1. Kamala - she's black and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
2. Rice- she's black and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
3. Whitmer - she's white, saved lives in Michigan and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
4. Harris - she's white, extraordinarily smart and scares the hell out of insecure white men.
5. Duckworth - an American hero, the living embodiment of a patriot and scares the hell out of insecure white men.

Shocker, Bob fixated on the word unlikable because his wife told him that theirs is a Kamala-for-VP household.

steveschneider wrote:This is BS.

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1293253520200593408?s=21

steveschneider wrote:Bob once Biden makes his announcement wait for Trump to do something crazy and the media will fawn over it.

kingstonlake wrote:Any guesses as to what Trump says to try and steal the moment?

Executive order banning Progressive Insurance Corp?

steveschneider wrote:It's going to be K Harris.

Biden VP pick Harris promoted group that put up bail for alleged violent criminals

Kamala Harris an underwhelming pick for vice president