Can we talk about the athleticism of Thorne?

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:Auburn beats Bama
Bama beats Georgia

Chaos

We’d be 6-6 with Thorne and Smith would have 15 practices with this squad.

7-5

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

I think it is fair to ask for more than this stat line:

5/16, 91 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs.

Jesus. I can’t do this.  Aren’t we all cool with each other here?  WTF is your point. You add the Hail Mary pass at half Int and leave out his rushing yards.  

Tuttle, if you’re trying to joke around and that post is sarcasm  cool. Haha.  I just fucking can’t with this shit anymore.   Maybe cause I’m pissed Michigan won today, but I’m fucking exhausted with this shit. So cool. Thorne sucks.   Let’s be happy he only threw for whatever you say he did.   All good.

Even if we take the two interceptions away and add the rushing yards, his completion percentage was still 31%. That is a rough day at work. Overall, his completion percentage for the season was higher than the two previous years at MSU. I don't think he is that great, and was less impressed as the season went on, but I would rather not argue about a QB who does not play for MSU.

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Even if we take the two interceptions away and add the rushing yards, his completion percentage was still 31%. That is a rough day at work. Overall, his completion percentage for the season was higher than the two previous years at MSU. I don't think he is that great, and was less impressed as the season went on, but I would rather not argue about a QB who does not play for MSU.

Whatever. I’m done.  All good.  There is no real football talk on this particular board.  My bad. Carry on.

Bro I love you. Everything is fine. Breathe. Um will lose in their bowl game, as they always do. They are going to have to play who, Keon or Washington or oregon? They aren’t going to win those games.

You two play nice. I can’t take two Thanksgivings, two Christmases, and I sure as hell can’t take two Cinco de Mayos.

We missed Coleman more than Thorne. And we missed competent coaching more than Coleman.

Thorne made some athletic runs that put Auburn in a spot to win. I’ll give him that. Nobody would be pointing out his stats if they won. But they didn’t.
Brutal way to lose.

Heat Miser wrote:We missed Coleman more than Thorne. And we missed competent coaching more than Coleman.

Well we can't miss what we haven't had for a few years now.

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Even if we take the two interceptions away and add the rushing yards, his completion percentage was still 31%. That is a rough day at work. Overall, his completion percentage for the season was higher than the two previous years at MSU. I don't think he is that great, and was less impressed as the season went on, but I would rather not argue about a QB who does not play for MSU.

Whatever. I’m done. All good. There is no real football talk on this particular board. My bad. Carry on.

Saying he sucks was intentional hyperbole. He definitely does not suck, but he is not exactly above average. I said above his completion percentage is up this year (on far fewer attempts). Where I would disagree would be on the games MSU wins if he is still the QB. Yes, experience matters, and Thorne has good mechanics and can throw a nice ball. Yet, I don't think Thorne makes up for the 34 point difference to Washington, the 22 points to Maryland, 49 to UM, 35 to OSU, or 42 to PSU. I will give you Rutgers, but I cannot say with confidence that he gets us two wins or a split with Minnestoa and Iowa. The latter two were both road games and MSU lost each by 10 or more points. MSU was bad all over and only one of this season's eight losses was within 10 points.

Would I have rather had Thorne this year? Yes. No doubt. I suppose the upside is the experience Houser got, but it's not to MSU's benefit if he is not on the roster next season. However, I think we are really talking about the difference between 4 and 5 wins.

Turtleneck wrote:

DWags wrote:


Whatever. I’m done.  All good.  There is no real football talk on this particular board.  My bad. Carry on.

Saying he sucks was intentional hyperbole. He definitely does not suck, but he is not exactly above average. I said above his completion percentage is up this year (on far fewer attempts). Where I would disagree would be on the games MSU wins if he is still the QB. Yes, experience matters, and Thorne has good mechanics and can throw a nice ball. Yet, I don't think Thorne makes up for the 34 point difference to Washington, the 22 points to Maryland, 49 to UM, 35 to OSU, or 42 to PSU. I will give you Rutgers, but I cannot say with confidence that he gets us two wins or a split with Minnestoa and Iowa. The latter two were both road games and MSU lost each by 10 or more points. MSU was bad all over and only one of this season's eight losses was within 10 points.

Would I have rather had Thorne this year? Yes. No doubt. I suppose the upside is the experience Houser got, but it's not to MSU's benefit if he is not on the roster next season. However, I think we are really talking about the difference between 4 and 5 wins.

Don’t discount that if you sub out houser for Thorne there’s no guarantee that we win the games we won still. Last season Thorne plus two nfl wide receivers lost to Indiana with a bowl game on the line. Do we still best Indiana if we still have Thorne with much worse weapons around him and nothing to play for? I dunno.

It’s all butterfly effect and just fodder for discussion because there is no knowing for sure of course.

I am not going to take any wins off the board. I am just hesitant to add any. But going back to an earlier point, if we are going to argue about a QB, it should be one that plays for MSU or Rodney Peete v. Andre Ware.

Funny I tuned in for the last drive, fumble and interception. It was the only play I’ve seen of Thorne at Auburn and wish I could have seen some of his better moments.

Funny I tuned in for the last drive, fumble and interception. It was the only play I’ve seen of Thorne at Auburn and wish I could have seen some of his better moments.

NigelUno wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:On the other hand we’d be starting out 0-0 next year just the same but with a quarterback that hasn’t seen a live defense since high school 3 years ago.

There's no guarantee any of the QBs stick around.

Or that we don't grab a QB from the portal.

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Looking forward to discussing over the next 12 months how things might've been different if only Hauser had stayed.

Heat Miser wrote:Looking forward to discussing over the next 12 months how things might've been different if only Hauser had stayed.

My guess is he's behind Leavitt on the depth chart and/or we're bringing in a portal QB.

Good Luck to him.

And he could end up staying. Who really knows at this point.

Smith can't even keep west coast kids on the roster! Well, back to scrapping the program. I am surprised Urban Meyer's name was never mentioned. I wonder if MSU should pursue Urban Meyer now that Smith has failed.

Everyone agrees on all of that bruv. The conversation boils down to whether you think Thorne has “it”.  

I think you’re taking the word “known quantity” for granted and thinking everyone agrees on what that means with regard to Thorne. Some think they know him because of 2021. Others think they know him because of 2022. Which do you think is more indicative of who he is? That’s up for interpretation

DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:Looking forward to discussing over the next 12 months how things might've been different if only Hauser had stayed.

Here is the only reason why I was shaking my head about cavalier attitudes regarding this position last year. We’ve all experienced it by being fans and some of us have as coaches: It’s a lot fucking easier getting worse at that position than it is getting better. I didn’t understand why this pos staff didn’t do everything they could to keep a known quantity at that position. It just blew my mind. Every other position, while difficult, is still easier to coach kids up to be better at. Quarterback is so difficult to coach up. Your guy has to be a guy who has “it”. Not during practice but games. Dantonio caught lightning in a bottle twice. Because I’ll go to my grave telling you the two best pure talented qb’s I’ve seen at MSU in the last two decades were Ryan Van Dyke and Maxwell. They couldn’t transfer that to games. I love the fact that our guy was a quarterback. He knows how hard it is.

I still think there was something going on behind the scenes (with NIL) when Coleman and Thorne ditched out.

Just seemed like Coleman wanted more, and Thorne was like...what about me? And then they both left. I could be wrong.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Everyone agrees on all of that bruv. The conversation boils down to whether you think Thorne has “it”.  

I think you’re taking the word “known quantity” for granted and thinking everyone agrees on what that means with regard to Thorne. Some think they know him because of 2021. Others think they know him because of 2022. Which do you think is more indicative of who he is? That’s up for interpretation

At 2023, what did the staff know about each qb as far as big games vs first stringers?  It was always a simple question.  It was alarming that it appeared from the outside they fucked around with a known “commodity “ (voice to text)    Maybe they didn’t and did everything they could to keep him.  I didn’t understand what I was reading and hearing last Spring.  That position is so hard.  And it will always be the toughest to coach. That’s why there is no such thing as a QB whisperer. Harbaugh knows that too.  So does Saban and Dabo

Well they didn’t. But you put it perfectly. A QB can look great in practice but you don’t know if they have “it”.

Presume you’re starting from a position that Thorne doesn’t have “it”. But you don’t know about houser or levitt. You’d want to find out and them in the game. There’s no sense in throwing good money after bad if you’ve already established that Thorne ain’t it. You gotta find out what the other dudes can do now.

That’s all I’ve been saying

NigelUno wrote:
I still think there was something going on behind the scenes (with NIL) when Coleman and Thorne ditched out.

Just seemed like Coleman wanted more, and Thorne was like...what about me? And then they both left. I could be wrong.

My understanding is the reason Keon came here was Izzo. He wanted to play ball as that is where his heart lies. But he understands that the money for him will be in the NFL. When it was suggested to him to skip basketball and focus on football, that is when he re-evaluated where he wanted to be. I don't think FSU gave him an NIL deal that we couldn't reach.

Someone with an all world running back at his back in 21. 

It’s not like he stopped being a quarterback when he transferred. It’s knowable how he did this year. The results are not stellar. 

I guess I just don’t get the going to bat for this dude. You come off like I’m arguing that we’re better off without Keon. I’m not though, thorne’s a replacement level quarterback.

Thank God it worked out the way it did.

Letting Kim, Houser, and Leavitt play this year (instead of Thorne) will obviously help us in 2024.

NigelUno wrote:Thank God it worked out the way it did.

Letting Kim, Houser, and Leavitt play this year (instead of Thorne) will obviously help us in 2024.  

Can’t control transfers (remains to be see if they leave, but you knew that) but what certainly wouldn’t help 2024 is Thorne 

But you knew that too

Can this thread be merged into the Notable Deaths thread?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

NigelUno wrote:Thank God it worked out the way it did.

Letting Kim, Houser, and Leavitt play this year (instead of Thorne) will obviously help us in 2024.  

Can’t control transfers (remains to be see if they leave, but you knew that) but what certainly wouldn’t help 2024 is Thorne 

But you knew that too

Pretty sure Thorne has one year left.

DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:Looking forward to discussing over the next 12 months how things might've been different if only Hauser had stayed.

Here is the only reason why I was shaking my head about cavalier attitudes regarding this position last year. We’ve all experienced it by being fans and some of us have as coaches: It’s a lot fucking easier getting worse at that position than it is getting better. I didn’t understand why this pos staff didn’t do everything they could to keep a known quantity at that position. It just blew my mind. Every other position, while difficult, is still easier to coach kids up to be better at. Quarterback is so difficult to coach up. Your guy has to be a guy who has “it”. Not during practice but games. Dantonio caught lightning in a bottle twice. Because I’ll go to my grave telling you the two best pure talented qb’s I’ve seen at MSU in the last two decades were Ryan Van Dyke and Maxwell. They couldn’t transfer that to games. I love the fact that our guy was a quarterback. He knows how hard it is.

Man I guess I'm not the only one who thought this about both Van Dyke and Maxwell. Andrew had a cannon and Van Dyke had a lot of QB skills. I thought RVD had a bunch more talent than Bill Burke but Burke got the job done.

NigelUno wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Can’t control transfers (remains to be see if they leave, but you knew that) but what certainly wouldn’t help 2024 is Thorne 

But you knew that too

Pretty sure Thorne has one year left.  

Jesus they let these people play forever these days.

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:Thank God it worked out the way it did.

Letting Kim, Houser, and Leavitt play this year (instead of Thorne) will obviously help us in 2024.

I threw some extra snark in there.

gomersbro wrote:

NigelUno wrote:
I still think there was something going on behind the scenes (with NIL) when Coleman and Thorne ditched out.

Just seemed like Coleman wanted more, and Thorne was like...what about me?  And then they both left.  I could be wrong.

My understanding is the reason Keon came here was Izzo. He wanted to play ball as that is where his heart lies. But he understands that the money for him will be in the NFL. When it was suggested to him to skip basketball and focus on football, that is when he re-evaluated where he wanted to be. I don't think FSU gave him an NIL deal that we couldn't reach.

Coleman made it pretty clear in black & white that he only ever planned on going here for 2 years and then transferring back down South where he really wanted to play in the first place.  He didn't mince words on the subject. I'm sure there was an NIL battle for him down there but kid made it clear he didn't want to be here.  Called being here 'jail'.

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:Thank God it worked out the way it did.

Letting Kim, Houser, and Leavitt play this year (instead of Thorne) will obviously help us in 2024.  

NigelUno wrote:

DWags wrote:

I threw some extra snark in there.

I saw that but I figured I wouldn’t further upset dwags by pointing out that with Thorne we would have been 3-9. He really really thinks Thorne is good at quarterback for some reason.