Re: Elon Musk and Twitter

by NumbersDude 2022-04-26, 09:25

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:
Whats more funny than the idiots worshipping the mango jesus? Are the karens obsessing still about the orange man long after he lost the election.

Like Republicans?
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/25/division-trump-dominate-michigan-gop-doubts-surface-over-2022/7431575001/

Yes.

by **GRR Spartan** 2022-04-26, 09:49

I am not wound up about Musk buying Twitter. It’s value has been its rising stock prices, not its spectacular earnings.

Not that many years ago Twitter shut down Vine before TikTok took off. They could have controlled the market instead of seeing Vine as a competitor.

Musk is an idea guy who is diversifying. I think it’s because he sees competitors from multiple car companies hitting his flagships market share.

He could be a 21st Century Will Durant if he makes some wrong decisions.

by Bredo Morstoel 2022-04-26, 10:01

NumbersDude wrote:
Rick Saunders wrote:

I don't know the guardrails that should be on twitter. I know that twitter, owned by Musk or not, has every right to allow (or not) any speech protected by the first amendment. That's the point of the first amendment. The guardrail pointed out by Galloway is not on twitter but rather on Musk and his ilk: "With our guardrails in place, someone who committed blatant securities fraud, repeatedly, would be prohibited from serving on the board of any publicly traded firm, much less allowed to acquire one." (to grab only one quote from Galloway).

I am probably more laissez faire than you think I am. I think that if people want to use twitter or other such platforms they are free to do so within the rules set by these private entities as I am using this one now. On the other hand I don't personally choose to normally use platforms that specifically feed me fuel to keep thinking and reading the same thing. Do you set cookie preferences to avoid tracking etc. where possible? Problem is the technology is WAY ahead of our means as a society of dealing with it and the social media giants are obviously predatory. We have warnings on cigarette packages for a reason and limits on legal age of use.

If twitter wants to be the "newsy" social media platform then we should see it as such and have societal expectations for its behavior in that category. The problem there is that such behavior is often not expected by other "newsy" sources (the one's Bob doesn't read) any longer either.

Quite obviously as an American I am fully against state run news media. That is different than believing it may be appropriate to have some control of philosophy in a classically liberal society where it's own health is dependent on factual information (the potential irony as it pertains to the printer/philosopher in my avatar is not lost on me.)

Nonetheless, as you and I have sometimes differing opinions on issues of import, our biggest difference is that it appears to me you believe "they are all corrupt", or there's nothing that can be done about it etc whereas I believe it is our duty as citizens to have high expectations of our elected officials and our legal system and vote and act accordingly. The government is us. Do we as a society wish to solve problems or do we wish to throw up our hands and say "oh well, how can I make things the best for me?" The transformation of our society into a hero worshipping oligarchy is a problem in my opinion. It is at least good that we are talking about it.

The government is not “us”. Thats the problem. It got so bad- the people turn to Washington DC outsiders in hopes of change. Hence the rise of the Orangeman.
Power corrupts. But why do we vote for the same people if we want change?
Term limits for all members of congress. IRS should audit every member of congress yearly. Every law should sunset every 10 years so lawmakers have to review its relevancy.

The government is not us. The government is the two party system. We don't have choice. We get stuck picking between bad and worse from the old men whose turn it happens to be to take a crack at being in the glamor position.

While your idea of reviewing laws and auditing government officials has some merit, in the end, I fear it would just turn in to a shadow government controlling the front line puppets.

Government is what needs to find its guardrails. Get smaller, stop intruding on people's lives, and give us more than two shitty choices every two to four years at the ballot. The media is also at fault for promoting this model.

by NumbersDude 2022-04-26, 10:03

GRR Spartan wrote:I am not wound up about Musk buying Twitter. It’s value has been its rising stock prices, not its spectacular earnings.

Not that many years ago Twitter shut down Vine before TikTok took off. They could have controlled the market instead of seeing Vine as a competitor.

Musk is an idea guy who is diversifying. I think it’s because he sees competitors from multiple car companies hitting his flagships market share.

He could be a 21st Century Will Durant if he makes some wrong decisions.

Durant won an NBA title with the Warriors.

by **GRR Spartan** 2022-04-26, 13:06

Village must be missing one

by NumbersDude 2022-04-26, 13:39

GRR Spartan wrote:Village must be missing one

Where is Trapper Gus?

by Rick Saunders 2022-04-26, 14:54

Bredo Morstoel wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:

The government is not “us”. Thats the problem. It got so bad- the people turn to Washington DC outsiders in hopes of change. Hence the rise of the Orangeman.
Power corrupts. But why do we vote for the same people if we want change?
Term limits for all members of congress. IRS should audit every member of congress yearly. Every law should sunset every 10 years so lawmakers have to review its relevancy.

The government is not us. The government is the two party system. We don't have choice. We get stuck picking between bad and worse from the old men whose turn it happens to be to take a crack at being in the glamor position.

While your idea of reviewing laws and auditing government officials has some merit, in the end, I fear it would just turn in to a shadow government controlling the front line puppets.

Government is what needs to find its guardrails. Get smaller, stop intruding on people's lives, and give us more than two shitty choices every two to four years at the ballot. The media is also at fault for promoting this model.

The government is us. We vote for the same people because we want the other district to change their representation but ours is good. I could be convinced, 26, on term limits and on limitations (you earlier proposed divestiture) or audits of congressional members. I'd have to think more about the 10 yr sunset proposal. I tend to think that makes too much unnecessary work but agree that congress currently does not do the necessary work in many cases and needs to actively work according to their constitutional charge. But to have any of these things and others we have to be willing to vote for people who will do these things. It used to be that we got along just fine not agreeing with everything our legislators or the president supported. We don't have that now and I think Bredo is correct that our media (including or especially algorithm based social media) plays a part in that. What we currently have is a system where the president or presidential candidate dictates nearly everything to the party and the other party just opposes it.

I am not here to rail on republicans or Trump but in this case they are exemplary. The republican party is trying to make every election national. In my county we literally have school board candidates and county commissioners who run on the idea that the presidential election was stolen and you can't get elected if you don't. Teacher pay or special education are not the primary issues in the school board election (yes, quite obviously, now "CRT" {the quotes are earned} gets heavy play too. I trust there are similar examples on the democratic side. The point here is that if we will not elect people who veer from this nonsense or with whom we might disagree on one point or another but agree with on the big issues for which they have purview then we get what we have. The government is us.

Symptomatic of the same thing was the election of Trump. You might recall that Trump was not winning majorities or in many cases even near majorities in the republican primaries of 2016. Most republican voters at the beginning and the other candidates literally were beside themselves with alarm at the prospect of Trump as the republican nominee. They were right. But he outlasted the other candidates and republicans hopped on the bandwagon. In the end, he wasn't elected for who he was but for the fact that he wasn't Hillary Clinton. Trapper here has argued that Biden won because he wasn't Donald Trump. As long as we keep voting based on what we oppose or who we revile and not what we are for or who we think will do an actual good job, we'll get what we have. The government is us.

We are probably stuck in the near term with a two party system Bredo, because we do not have a parliamentary government. That's lucky for you because while the USA was once the most liberal government on earth it is now much more conservative than most of the rest of the 1st world. It moves more slowly than many other governments for a variety of reasons. But we do have choice. You can't convince me that the candidates are all the same. (see graphic below) I do wish they were a bit more different and that we held them to higher standards. This is one reason why I strongly support ranked choice voting at least for party primaries and also for final elections. I don't know if we would have had Biden under those circumstances but I know we would not have had Trump. He would never have made it out of his own party's primaries. But we don't support these things and vote for one person because they are not as shitty as the other one. If we don't flip the question and find a way to vote for people we truly support and have high expectations for then that's out fault as citizens. The government is us.

So who are these people?

by **kingstonlake** 2022-04-26, 15:10

GRR Spartan wrote:Village must be missing one

by NumbersDude 2022-04-26, 15:44

Rick Saunders wrote:
Bredo Morstoel wrote:

The government is not us. The government is the two party system. We don't have choice. We get stuck picking between bad and worse from the old men whose turn it happens to be to take a crack at being in the glamor position.

While your idea of reviewing laws and auditing government officials has some merit, in the end, I fear it would just turn in to a shadow government controlling the front line puppets.

Government is what needs to find its guardrails. Get smaller, stop intruding on people's lives, and give us more than two shitty choices every two to four years at the ballot. The media is also at fault for promoting this model.

The government is us. We vote for the same people because we want the other district to change their representation but ours is good. I could be convinced, 26, on term limits and on limitations (you earlier proposed divestiture) or audits of congressional members. I'd have to think more about the 10 yr sunset proposal. I tend to think that makes too much unnecessary work but agree that congress currently does not do the necessary work in many cases and needs to actively work according to their constitutional charge. But to have any of these things and others we have to be willing to vote for people who will do these things. It used to be that we got along just fine not agreeing with everything our legislators or the president supported. We don't have that now and I think Bredo is correct that our media (including or especially algorithm based social media) plays a part in that. What we currently have is a system where the president or presidential candidate dictates nearly everything to the party and the other party just opposes it.

I am not here to rail on republicans or Trump but in this case they are exemplary. The republican party is trying to make every election national. In my county we literally have school board candidates and county commissioners who run on the idea that the presidential election was stolen and you can't get elected if you don't. Teacher pay or special education are not the primary issues in the school board election (yes, quite obviously, now "CRT" {the quotes are earned} gets heavy play too. I trust there are similar examples on the democratic side. The point here is that if we will not elect people who veer from this nonsense or with whom we might disagree on one point or another but agree with on the big issues for which they have purview then we get what we have. The government is us.

Symptomatic of the same thing was the election of Trump. You might recall that Trump was not winning majorities or in many cases even near majorities in the republican primaries of 2016. Most republican voters at the beginning and the other candidates literally were beside themselves with alarm at the prospect of Trump as the republican nominee. They were right. But he outlasted the other candidates and republicans hopped on the bandwagon. In the end, he wasn't elected for who he was but for the fact that he wasn't Hillary Clinton. Trapper here has argued that Biden won because he wasn't Donald Trump. As long as we keep voting based on what we oppose or who we revile and not what we are for or who we think will do an actual good job, we'll get what we have. The government is us.

We are probably stuck in the near term with a two party system Bredo, because we do not have a parliamentary government. That's lucky for you because while the USA was once the most liberal government on earth it is now much more conservative than most of the rest of the 1st world. It moves more slowly than many other governments for a variety of reasons. But we do have choice. You can't convince me that the candidates are all the same. (see graphic below) I do wish they were a bit more different and that we held them to higher standards. This is one reason why I strongly support ranked choice voting at least for party primaries and also for final elections. I don't know if we would have had Biden under those circumstances but I know we would not have had Trump. He would never have made it out of his own party's primaries. But we don't support these things and vote for one person because they are not as shitty as the other one. If we don't flip the question and find a way to vote for people we truly support and have high expectations for then that's out fault as citizens. The government is us.

So who are these people?

They are not “us”. Members of congress, presidential candidates, cabinet members, diplomats, bureaucrats are all the privileged class. From cocaine mitch to AOC, they don’t serve the people- they rule over the people.
Hilldog and the orangeman were social friends. Bill Clinton, and the pussygrabber hung out with Epstein.
They ( Ds and Rs) want us to hate each other and perpetuate the constant outrage. One side calling the other racist and the other side calling people pedofiles.
All to fuel the clicks and the media add revenue to sell fucking pillows. Each side blames the other of stolen elections, and insurrections.
Americans are being driven further and further apart along the failed 2 system political parties.
Take the power away from Washington DC. Term limits, outside audits, ban members of congress from trading stock and audit their families finances.
Piles of shit like Duncan Hunter should never receive a pardon.

by Rick Saunders 2022-04-26, 15:58

NumbersDude wrote:
They are not “us”. Members of congress, presidential candidates, cabinet members, diplomats, bureaucrats are all the privileged class. From cocaine mitch to AOC, they don’t serve the people- they rule over the people.
Hilldog and the orangeman were social friends. Bill Clinton, and the pussygrabber hung out with Epstein.
They ( Ds and Rs) want us to hate each other and perpetuate the constant outrage. One side calling the other racist and the other side calling people pedofiles.
All to fuel the clicks and the media add revenue to sell fucking pillows. Each side blames the other of stolen elections, and insurrections.
Americans are being driven further and further apart along the failed 2 system political parties.
Take the power away from Washington DC. Term limits, outside audits, ban members of congress from trading stock and audit their families finances.
Piles of shit like Duncan Hunter should never receive a pardon.

NumbersDude wrote:

Take the power away from Washington DC. Term limits, outside audits, ban members of congress from trading stock and audit their families finances.

I'll meet you halfway. Expect more from your "governors" not less, that's the half where we disagree. Those things you mentioned and I highlighted are laws. It will take legislators who would enact such laws in order for that to occur. We don't elect those people. We elect people you don't like and those people are strongly supported in their own districts (probably gerrymandered).

by NumbersDude 2022-04-26, 16:18

Rick Saunders wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:
They are not “us”. Members of congress, presidential candidates, cabinet members, diplomats, bureaucrats are all the privileged class. From cocaine mitch to AOC, they don’t serve the people- they rule over the people.
Hilldog and the orangeman were social friends. Bill Clinton, and the pussygrabber hung out with Epstein.
They ( Ds and Rs) want us to hate each other and perpetuate the constant outrage. One side calling the other racist and the other side calling people pedofiles.
All to fuel the clicks and the media add revenue to sell fucking pillows. Each side blames the other of stolen elections, and insurrections.
Americans are being driven further and further apart along the failed 2 system political parties.
Take the power away from Washington DC. Term limits, outside audits, ban members of congress from trading stock and audit their families finances.
Piles of shit like Duncan Hunter should never receive a pardon.

NumbersDude wrote:

Take the power away from Washington DC. Term limits, outside audits, ban members of congress from trading stock and audit their families finances.

I'll meet you halfway. Expect more from your "governors" not less, that's the half where we disagree. Those things you mentioned and I highlighted are laws. It will take legislators who would enact such laws in order for that to occur. We don't elect those people. We elect people you don't like and those people are strongly supported in their own districts (probably gerrymandered).

Congressmen and Senators should eliminate their offices in Washington DC. They can all conduct their sessions remotely. They should all be in their home state in the communities they are elected to serve everyday.
They should be in DC no more than 30 days a year.

by **kingstonlake** 2022-04-27, 05:57

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by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 07:43

Bredo Morstoel wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Low informstion poster, and I already posted a link about Tesla's racial issues and the lawsuits they have aready lost or are in the process of losing.

You've claimed Elon is a racist. I'd like to learn more. If that makes me a "low information poster" then... well, for the second time in a week, fuck off.

And no, I'm not angry, just disappointed.

My goodness you have issues.

As for Musk's racism just look at the law suits he has lost on that issue in his plants.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 07:45

NumbersDude wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Village must be missing one

Where is Trapper Gus?

Waiting in Business History 421 - The History of the US Automotive Industry

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 08:02

Ap News wrote:LONDON (AP) — A hands-off approach to moderating content at Elon Musk’s Twitter could clash with ambitious new laws in Europe meant to protect users from disinformation, hate speech and other harmful material.

Musk, who describes himself as a “free speech absolutist,” pledged to buy Twitter for $44 billion this week, with European Union officials and digital campaigners quick to say that any focus on free speech to the detriment of online safety would not fly after the 27-nation bloc solidified its status as a global leader in the effort to rein in the power of tech giants.

“If his approach will be ‘just stop moderating it,’ he will likely find himself in a lot of legal trouble in the EU,” said Jan Penfrat, senior policy adviser at digital rights group EDRi.

Not So fast, Mr. Musk, the EU Says

by RQA 2022-04-27, 08:51

Trapper Gus wrote:
Ap News wrote:LONDON (AP) — A hands-off approach to moderating content at Elon Musk’s Twitter could clash with ambitious new laws in Europe meant to protect users from disinformation, hate speech and other harmful material.

Musk, who describes himself as a “free speech absolutist,” pledged to buy Twitter for $44 billion this week, with European Union officials and digital campaigners quick to say that any focus on free speech to the detriment of online safety would not fly after the 27-nation bloc solidified its status as a global leader in the effort to rein in the power of tech giants.

“If his approach will be ‘just stop moderating it,’ he will likely find himself in a lot of legal trouble in the EU,” said Jan Penfrat, senior policy adviser at digital rights group EDRi.

Not So fast, Mr. Musk, the EU Says

And here we have Trapper wanting the EU to be in charge of American business.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 09:43

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Not So fast, Mr. Musk, the EU Says

And here we have Trapper wanting the EU to be in charge of American business.

Just linking a report so those of you investing in Musk know where this is going, Dude.

Your gaslighting is both stupid & tirersome.

by NumbersDude 2022-04-27, 09:56

Trapper Gus wrote:
RQA wrote:

And here we have Trapper wanting the EU to be in charge of American business.

Just linking a report so those of you investing in Musk know where this is going, Dude.

Your gaslighting is both stupid & tirersome.

“Gas”lighting? Come on man. Call it LED lighting. Get with the modern green times.

by Bredo Morstoel 2022-04-27, 09:58

NumbersDude wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Just linking a report so those of you investing in Musk know where this is going, Dude.

Your gaslighting is both stupid & tirersome.

“Gas”lighting? Come on man. Call it LED lighting. Get with the modern green times.

Trapper learned a new word on his day off.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 10:01

Bredo Morstoel wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:

“Gas”lighting? Come on man. Call it LED lighting. Get with the modern green times.

Trapper learned a new word on his day off.

Gaslighting is what it is called, Dude, and now you are joining the gaslighting cohort. Please stop. It is stupid.

by **GRR Spartan** 2022-04-27, 10:01

The FrozenOne making a strong move taking over as The Swill’s #1 troll from RussianQuislingAgent.

by Bredo Morstoel 2022-04-27, 10:03

GRR Spartan wrote:The FrozenOne making a strong move taking over as The Swill’s #1 troll from RussianQuislingAgent.

And sadly, you'll never be anyone's number one.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2022-04-27, 10:08

how do the knuckle-scrapers resolve their sudden support for free speech ( Rolling Eyes

) with their savior's production of {gasp} electric cars?

by **NigelUno** 2022-04-27, 10:13

Bredo Morstoel wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:The FrozenOne making a strong move taking over as The Swill’s #1 troll from RussianQuislingAgent.

And sadly, you'll never be anyone's number one.

And sadly, you're reveling in being a rQa level troll. Goals, I guess.

by NumbersDude 2022-04-27, 10:22

Robert J Sakimano wrote:how do the knuckle-scrapers resolve their sudden support for free speech ( ) with their savior's production of {gasp} electric cars?

Well, not everyone falls for the 2 party system that forces you to embrace all of the partys talking points.

You have a choice boobie.
You can smoke weed and drive a bro dozer.
You can eat quinoa and kale and drink natty light.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 10:24

How can our libertarian posters be all in on Musk when everything he has done has been funded government?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/14/investing/elon-musk-wealth-taxpayer-support/index.html

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 10:28

NumbersDude wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:how do the knuckle-scrapers resolve their sudden support for free speech ( ) with their savior's production of {gasp} electric cars?

Well, not everyone falls for the 2 party system that forces you to embrace all of the partys talking points.

You have a choice boobie.
You can smoke weed and drive a bro dozer.
You can eat quinoa and kale and drink natty light.

Not seeing your point, politically.

This is a two party system, and at the current time they are both mostly monolythic, where elected members vote with their parties 90% plus of the votes.

by NumbersDude 2022-04-27, 10:35

Trapper Gus wrote:How can our libertarian posters be all in on Musk when everything he has done has been funded government?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/14/investing/elon-musk-wealth-taxpayer-support/index.html

At least there is a return on investment.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 10:47

NumbersDude wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:How can our libertarian posters be all in on Musk when everything he has done has been funded government?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/14/investing/elon-musk-wealth-taxpayer-support/index.html

At least there is a return on investment.

Between 2008 and the first half of 2019, sales of regulatory credits generated more than $2 billion that was crucial to the company's survival. And the increased car sales ever since have resulted in additional credits that Tesla sold for another $3 billion since June of 2019.

That looks like a game of liers poker to me. We would need to dive into the balance sheets to know, but it looks like the headline numbers are being supported by government subsidies.

So, philosophicly, how does a true libertarian support a government paid for business model like Musk's?

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-04-27, 13:06

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2022/4/27/2094362/-Elon-Musk-s-Twitter-deal-offers-so-many-strong-arguments-for-taxing-billionaires

Tesla’s stock dropped by more than $100 billion—kind of a problem for Musk since he put up Tesla shares as collateral for his Twitter purchase.

The specifics of the deal became public on Tuesday, including a $1 billion termination fee if either party pulls out. If the deal doesn’t close by Oct. 24, both sides can walk away, or, if there’s a regulatory delay, they can extend for six months. But while “It’s actually a pretty plain vanilla merger agreement,” according to an expert quoted in The New York Times, the drama surrounding it is decidedly not vanilla.

Even without the drop in Tesla’s stock, there was some reason for concern about the financial details of the purchase:

Musk is taking on $25 billion in debt financing to acquire Twitter, at an avg interest rate of between 4.5-5%. That means Twitter's going to have to pay $1.15-$1.3 billion a year in interest alone, which is more than it made before interest and taxes last year.

Financial people are saying the numbers don't really work, and at twitter Musk won't be able to reach into Uncle Sam's pockets to keep it afloat.

by PennSpartan 2022-05-10, 16:00

Yup, Musk will let Trump back on Twitter. Apparently Elon’s definition of free speech includes lying about election results and anything else you like. I suppose Putin can begin tweeting about Nazis in Ukraine, too.

Elon Musk said he would let former president Donald Trump return to Twitter

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/05/10/elon-musk-donald-trump-twitter/9719275002/

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2022-05-11, 06:39

PennSpartan wrote:

Yup, Musk will let Trump back on Twitter. Apparently Elon’s definition of free speech includes lying about election results and anything else you like. I suppose Putin can begin tweeting about Nazis in Ukraine, too.

Elon Musk said he would let former president Donald Trump return to Twitter

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/05/10/elon-musk-donald-trump-twitter/9719275002/

that's good news for decent Americans.

Remind folks of what we have to lose. If they had banned the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator last August, he would've won.

Instead, he kept spewing his disgusting, violent, racist, christian filth and decent Americans voted.

by **Motown Spartan** 2022-05-11, 07:19

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:

Yup, Musk will let Trump back on Twitter. Apparently Elon’s definition of free speech includes lying about election results and anything else you like. I suppose Putin can begin tweeting about Nazis in Ukraine, too.

Elon Musk said he would let former president Donald Trump return to Twitter

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/05/10/elon-musk-donald-trump-twitter/9719275002/
that's good news for decent Americans.

Remind folks of what we have to lose. If they had banned the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator last August, he would've won.

Instead, he kept spewing his disgusting, violent, racist, christian filth and decent Americans voted.

The Trumpster gubernatorial candidate that was accused of groping at least 8 women lost the primary in Nebraska yesterday. There is hope!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2022-05-11, 08:09

Motown Spartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: that's good news for decent Americans.

Remind folks of what we have to lose. If they had banned the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator last August, he would've won.

Instead, he kept spewing his disgusting, violent, racist, christian filth and decent Americans voted.

The Trumpster gubernatorial candidate that was accused of groping at least 8 women lost the primary in Nebraska yesterday. There is hope!

yep.

We have a piece of christian filth who lost the popular vote twice, lost the House, lost the Senate, got impeached twice, incited a violent insurrection and presided over the worst economy in modern history.

stop allowing the mainstream media to elevate this bizarre mythical status that they create for ratings.. give the putrid, bloated, racist sack of anti-America trash a microphone and put him on the campaign trail. Please.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-05-11, 08:13

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

The Trumpster gubernatorial candidate that was accused of groping at least 8 women lost the primary in Nebraska yesterday. There is hope!
yep.

We have a piece of christian filth who lost the popular vote twice, lost the House, lost the Senate, got impeached twice, incited a violent insurrection and presided over the worst economy in modern history.

stop allowing the mainstream media to elevate this bizarre mythical status that they create for ratings.. give the putrid, bloated, racist sack of anti-America trash a microphone and put him on the campaign trail. Please.

Don't know that I have ever seem Bob this worked up.

The problem is, Bob, that Trump connects with a large part of the US population. Politician's first priority is to get elected and if you are a Republician the safest move for that is to support Trump.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2022-05-11, 09:05

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yep.

We have a piece of christian filth who lost the popular vote twice, lost the House, lost the Senate, got impeached twice, incited a violent insurrection and presided over the worst economy in modern history.

stop allowing the mainstream media to elevate this bizarre mythical status that they create for ratings.. give the putrid, bloated, racist sack of anti-America trash a microphone and put him on the campaign trail. Please.

Don't know that I have ever seem Bob this worked up.

The problem is, Bob, that Trump connects with a large part of the US population. Politician's first priority is to get elected and if you are a Republician the safest move for that is to support Trump.

I get 'worked up', because he's the best thing that could happen to democrats.

hell, he lost to Joe Biden in a landslide.. Joe Biden!! Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 7 502811600

he lost the House and the Senate.. he turned Georgia blue. Georgia! Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 7 502811600

he single-handedly fucked everything up for the GOP.. and when you're as limp-spined as the Democrat party is, they need all the help they can get.

by **Motown Spartan** 2022-05-13, 07:52

Deal ain't done yet...

Motown Spartan is a genius

by PennSpartan 2022-07-08, 17:42

Musk giving up on Twitter buyout. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 7 502811600

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/elon-musk-says-hes-terminating-213221244.html

by **Motown Spartan** 2022-07-08, 17:46

Motown Spartan wrote:Deal ain't done yet...

Motown Spartan is a genius

Bump

by **Cameron** 2022-07-08, 18:33

I hope the pig fucker is forced to live up to his end and has to sell a bunch of his shit to do so.

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