Introducing Project 2025

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Project 2025 is a playbook to enact policies. You may not like the policies - I certainly don't like some of them - but that's what it is. Some of ya'll say it like it's a mythical boogeyman out to destroy the universe.

I don't think you know what is in the 2025 Project, but one of the things in it is to eliminate all but white male Christians from voting, which is how it will maintain the power of the Billionaires. Totally changing the structures of the government is far more than a "policy" change to most people who don't have their head is a dark place.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Zurn wrote:Not saying I agree with all of it or even most of it, but if the Depts of Commerce and Education were shut down today, how long before anyone would notice? What do they even do anyway?

I see your point with education since most of our education system is run at the local level. I suspect larger projects and funding would come to a halt but schools would still keep running.

Dept of commerce though? Do you even know what they do? Admittedly I am not fully up on what they do but commerce folks historically have been very powerful. That one seems like a reach

The original Department of Education was created in 1867 to collect information on schools and teaching that would help the States establish effective school systems. While the agency's name and location within the Executive Branch have changed over the past 130 years, this early emphasis on getting information on what works in education to teachers and education policymakers continues down to the present day.

The passage of the Second Morrill Act in 1890 gave the then-named Office of Education responsibility for administering support for the original system of land-grant colleges and universities. Vocational education became the next major area of Federal aid to schools, with the 1917 Smith-Hughes Act and the 1946 George-Barden Act focusing on agricultural, industrial, and home economics training for high school students.

World War II led to a significant expansion of Federal support for education. The Lanham Act in 1941 and the Impact Aid laws of 1950 eased the burden on communities affected by the presence of military and other Federal installations by making payments to school districts. And in 1944, the "GI Bill" authorized postsecondary education assistance that would ultimately send nearly 8 million World War II veterans to college.

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

I see your point with education since most of our education system is run at the local level. I suspect larger projects and funding would come to a halt but schools would still keep running.

Dept of commerce though? Do you even know what they do? Admittedly I am not fully up on what they do but commerce folks historically have been very powerful. That one seems like a reach

The original Department of Education was created in 1867 to collect information on schools and teaching that would help the States establish effective school systems. While the agency's name and location within the Executive Branch have changed over the past 130 years, this early emphasis on getting information on what works in education to teachers and education policymakers continues down to the present day.

The passage of the Second Morrill Act in 1890 gave the then-named Office of Education responsibility for administering support for the original system of land-grant colleges and universities. Vocational education became the next major area of Federal aid to schools, with the 1917 Smith-Hughes Act and the 1946 George-Barden Act focusing on agricultural, industrial, and home economics training for high school students.

World War II led to a significant expansion of Federal support for education. The Lanham Act in 1941 and the Impact Aid laws of 1950 eased the burden on communities affected by the presence of military and other Federal installations by making payments to school districts. And in 1944, the "GI Bill" authorized postsecondary education assistance that would ultimately send nearly 8 million World War II veterans to college.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I don't think you know what is in the 2025 Project, but one of the things in it is to eliminate all but white male Christians from voting, which is how it will maintain the power of the Billionaires. Totally changing the structures of the government is far more than a "policy" change to most people who don't have their head is a dark place.

Because non-white non-males can't be wealthy?

Fear mongering. That's all the Democrats seem to have these days. I sure hope Uncle Joe can talk actual policy and not just keep repeating "January 6" and "felon" on Thursday.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

So the Department of Education hasn't done anything of note since WW2?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So the Department of Education hasn't done anything of note since WW2?

They provide between 8% to 11% of the funding for your local schools. Without that your property taxes would have to be raised to cover that.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

They provide between 8% to 11% of the funding for your local schools. Without that your property taxes would have to be raised to cover that.

I’d prefer to codify a woman’s right to choose and hopefully have 8-11% less kids to educate.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I’d prefer to codify a woman’s right to choose and hopefully have 8-11% less kids to educate.

You're getting part of that even with a woman not being able to choose:

Infant mortality increased by 12.9% from 2021 to 2022 in Texas after Texas' near-total ban on abortion was enacted, according to a new study published today in JAMA Pediatrics. A total of 2243 Texas infants, or children under 1 year, died in 2022 compared to 1985 Texas infant deaths in 2021

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

You're getting part of that even with a woman not being able to choose:

Infant mortality increased by 12.9% from 2021 to 2022 in Texas after Texas' near-total ban on abortion was enacted, according to a new study published today in JAMA Pediatrics. A total of 2243 Texas infants, or children under 1 year, died in 2022 compared to 1985 Texas infant deaths in 2021

"pro-life".

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

You're getting part of that even with a woman not being able to choose:

Infant mortality increased by 12.9% from 2021 to 2022 in Texas after Texas' near-total ban on abortion was enacted, according to a new study published today in JAMA Pediatrics. A total of 2243 Texas infants, or children under 1 year, died in 2022 compared to 1985 Texas infant deaths in 2021

"pro-life".

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
"pro-life".

Republicans are very willing to put a woman's life at risk in order to be able to cry over a dead baby.  If they are lucky they can kill off both the mother and the baby.  Pregnant women deaths are higher, too.

edit - just came across another condition that kills pregnant women that I'm sure those Christians will not care about allowing abortions for...

https://apnews.com/article/preeclampsia-pregnancy-tests-blood-pressure-ade07b74a1dde11dc5ebafa5c0ec8450

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: "pro-life".

I absolutely am not.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I absolutely am not.

I'm very away that you're not '"pro-life", hence my mocking tone via quotations.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I'm very away that you're not '"pro-life", hence my mocking tone via quotations.  

You mock people who support a woman's right to choose? Misogynist much?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
but, by all means, republicans/libertarians, close down the Dept. of Education. I know that an educated population is bad for your business. It's no secret why y'all want to get rid of them.

Trapper Gus wrote:

They (the Feds) provide between 8% to 11% of the funding for your local schools. Without that your property taxes would have to be raised to cover that.

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
but, by all means, republicans/libertarians, close down the Dept. of Education. I know that an educated population is bad for your business. It's no secret why y'all want to get rid of them.

Generally people had a higher regard for public education before there was a Fed Department of Education.  

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

They (the Feds) provide between 8% to 11% of the funding for your local schools. Without that your property taxes would have to be raised to cover that.

More economic illiteracy from one of the boards leading economic illiterates.

Gee, where does the Dept of Education get the money to contribute 8-11% of the local school budget?

kingstonlake wrote:

DWags wrote:

Thats exactly what they’re counting on.

I read the first post.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Republicans are very willing to put a woman's life at risk in order to be able to cry over a dead baby.  If they are lucky they can kill off both the mother and the baby.  Pregnant women deaths are higher, too.

edit - just came across another condition that kills pregnant women that I'm sure those Christians will not care about allowing abortions for...

https://apnews.com/article/preeclampsia-pregnancy-tests-blood-pressure-ade07b74a1dde11dc5ebafa5c0ec8450

I stopped trying to figure out republicans/libertarians years ago, but I find it odd that a zygote means more to them than a child in a classroom that is slaughtered by an assault rifle.

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
but, by all means, republicans/libertarians, close down the Dept. of Education. I know that an educated population is bad for your business. It's no secret why y'all want to get rid of them.

Generally people had a higher regard for public education before there was a Fed Department of Education.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I stopped trying to figure out republicans/libertarians years ago, but I find it odd that a zygote means more to them than a child in a classroom that is slaughtered by an assault rifle.

Also, a rainbow in a classroom is indoctrination, but the 10 Commandments aren’t.   Honestly, these people are absolutely insane.   It really is mental illness in my opinion.  

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:


Also, a rainbow in a classroom is indoctrination, but the 10 Commandments aren’t.   Honestly, these people are absolutely insane.   It really is mental illness in my opinion.  

yep.

I'll take it further and say that religion is a mental illness. Republicans/libertarians forcing their unique brand of hate on children is a tragic symptom and consequence.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yep.

I'll take it further and say that religion is a mental illness. Republlicans/libertarians  forcing their unique brand of hate on children is a tragic symptom and consequence.

They want to live in a world where people are not responsible for what is happening.  Instead "God" is.

Total abduction of human responsibility for how things are, and bivalued logical thinking.

In multivalued thinking, most of us, there are the situations of existence, could be "God" given, and there are actions we can take that "God" has nothing much to do with.  Even thier "bibles" have the "out" clauses for people to accept responsibility for what people can fix.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yep.

I'll take it further and say that religion is a mental illness. Republlicans/libertarians  forcing their unique brand of hate on children is a tragic symptom and consequence.

They want to live in a world where people are not responsible for what is happening.  Instead "God" is.

Total abduction of human responsibility for how things are, and bivalued logical thinking.

In multivalued thinking, most of us, there are the situations of existence, could be "God" given, and there are actions we can take that "God" has nothing much to do with.  Even thier "bibles" have the "out" clauses for people to accept responsibility for what people can fix.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

They want to live in a world where people are not responsible for what is happening.  Instead "God" is.

Total abduction of human responsibility for how things are, and bivalued logical thinking.

In multivalued thinking, most of us, there are the situations of existence, could be "God" given, and there are actions we can take that "God" has nothing much to do with.  Even thier "bibles" have the "out" clauses for people to accept responsibility for what people can fix.

“Abduction?”

Did you mean ab·di·ca·tion?