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Post by TravelinMan 2024-06-06, 09:33

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Cameron wrote:

Did you read the article you linked? You don't have any inkling of who is telling the truth? Is your truth perception as deficient as your sarcasm perception?

Unlike you I can put aside my partisanship and read the evidence presented.

The Columbia Administration says that the journal didn't follow standard protocol, which appears to be true, the journals editors don't deny that.

Instead the journals editors say they followed a different protocol that is sometimes used for certain articles.

As to if that protocol was justified in this case is unknown, and a protocol where no critics of an article are allowed to read or comment on an article is strange for a law review.

However, without getting into the details we, the outsiders, can only see a report of conflicting reports, and thus, seriously Cam, we haven't got a fucking clue as to who it telling the truth.

Our own feeling may cause us to lend more credibility to one side or the other, but that is due to us, not due to what is being reported.

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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-06-06, 09:50

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Unlike you I can put aside my partisanship and read the evidence presented.

The Columbia Administration says that the journal didn't follow standard protocol, which appears to be true, the journals editors don't deny that.

Instead the journals editors say they followed a different protocol that is sometimes used for certain articles.

As to if that protocol was justified in this case is unknown, and a protocol where no critics of an article are allowed to read or comment on an article is strange for a law review.

However, without getting into the details we, the outsiders, can only see a report of conflicting reports, and thus, seriously Cam, we haven't got a fucking clue as to who it telling the truth.

Our own feeling may cause us to lend more credibility to one side or the other, but that is due to us, not due to what is being reported.

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As so.eone like you, who cannot control their partinsanship should.
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Post by Cameron 2024-06-14, 13:41

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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-06-14, 13:48

Cameron wrote:[tw]1801661794357829692[/tw]

Always follow the money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/trump-promises-tax-cuts-at-business-roundtable-with-ceos-including-apple-s-tim-cook-and-jp-morgan-s-jamie-dimon/ar-BB1obrE1

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tax-cuts-ceos-tim-cook-jamie-dimon-wall-street-2024-6

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/trump-tries-to-woo-billionaire-ceos-with-promise-of-another-round-of-tax-cuts-report/ar-BB1obz2r
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Post by Cameron 2024-06-15, 11:45

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You guys ever stop to think that maybe we're the bad guys? Not that China and Russia and Iran are the good guys, they are also pretty clearly bad guys. But maybe, at least when it comes to international geopolitics, perhaps there are no "good guys." Not an encouraging thought...
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Post by Cameron 2024-06-15, 11:50

To be clear, this is not the first time in my life that I'm contemplating the USA being in the wrong. I came of age during the Iraq War, the concept is not novel to me. But you grow up learning about WWI and WWII and think we are at least sometimes the good guys. But when was that last actually true? Was it WWII? Seems like just about any actual good we do nowadays is merely incidental to self-servingly protecting our own interests.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-06-15, 14:49

Cameron wrote:[tw]1801995634188177488[/tw]

You guys ever stop to think that maybe we're the bad guys? Not that China and Russia and Iran are the good guys, they are also pretty clearly bad guys. But maybe, at least when it comes to international geopolitics, perhaps there are no "good guys." Not an encouraging thought...

You're just now figuring this out? It depends on the situation and the eye of the beholder. The beholder is generally us though which is true of all great powers. No wonder you're always so mad, you haven't figured the world out yet and grown numb to most of it.

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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-06-15, 17:18

Cameron wrote:To be clear, this is not the first time in my life that I'm contemplating the USA being in the wrong. I came of age during the Iraq War, the concept is not novel to me. But you grow up learning about WWI and WWII and think we are at least sometimes the good guys. But when was that last actually true? Was it WWII? Seems like just about any actual good we do nowadays is merely incidental to self-servingly protecting our own interests.

Much of the good the United States does is in the day to day policing of the globe, starting with the US Navy defending the sea lanes.

Right now we have two fleet carriers doing their best to reduce the attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea.  We also patrol along the coast of Africa to reduce piracy there.  Without the US Navy commercial shipping on the "high seas" whould be much more risky.

On land just having a US military presence reduces everyone's risks.  No one really wants to take the US military on "man to man" so to speak.  Yes our outposts are attacked and when they are the attackers get it 10 times worse in return.

We screw up from time to time, though hopefully less than we have in the past.  Sadam attacking Kuwait was a mistake by the US in not making it clear to him he shouldn't do that.  As he said afterwards, if I had known the US cared I wouldn't have done that.

W's wars of choice were both screwup, due to hubris.  There wasn't real justification for Afghanistan, a police action would have worked and the Talban was begging to turn BinLaudin over before the US attacked.  Iraq was W wanting to win in 2004, just like what Netanyahu is doing now.

Israel attacking Palestinians to get Hamas is a mixed bag.  We are in a low level war with China. Russia & Iran and Hamas is Iran's agent, so we are in on weakening them, but the collateral damage is terrible, mostly due to Hamas, but partly due to Israel being willing to inflict it.  I don't know if there is a US plan that makes sense but if there is its somewhat hard to see.

And that is a snapshot of the military stuff.

The US is also the banker of last resort, something no other country has the gravitas and trust to be.  Without the Federal Reserve Bank bailing out the global financial system in 2008 there would have been a global depression with all the pain that would have caused.  The Great Recession was bad, it could have been magnitudes worse, and it was the United States which lead the rest of the global banks and pretty much single handedly stopped it.

I guess I'm saying that the United States is doing a shitload of stuff every day that keeps the globe going with some semblance of order, and most of it has been ongoing for so long most of us don't notice it at all.

I will conclude by providing the cheesy link of a tribute to what the United States does from a different time we were stuggling as we are now by an editorial writer from Canada...

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-07-23, 13:29

I don’t think that anything he said here is all that bad, at least not worse than anything he would step up to a microphone and say out loud today anyway…

[tw]1815787695894917159[/tw]


Stuff like this is going to become more and more common though as people that grew up in the internet age get more involved and into higher roles in government. 

Like, not that I’ll ever run for anything, but I don’t know what I might have put on the internet in 2003 when I was 19. Probably nothing that bad but taken out of context 30 years later? Who knows what could be dug up. 

In fact I think it might be a problem specific to people that are 30-50 now. People that were active on the internet in the late 90s early aughts that might not have been fully aware of the lasting power of shit you put on the internet. I think people younger than that have grown up knowing that anything they say can and will be dug up, but people slightly older than them might not have been fully aware and probably said stupid shit that can be tied back if you look hard enough.
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Post by Cameron 2024-07-23, 13:33

If I ever try to run for public office, my swill posting history will be my biggest liability.

Disqualifying, some might say.
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Post by kingstonlake 2024-07-23, 13:47

Cameron wrote:If I ever try to run for public office, my swill posting history will be my biggest liability.

Disqualifying, some might say.

You’re not even close to pussy grabbing status. Up your game.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-07-23, 14:21

kingstonlake wrote:
Cameron wrote:If I ever try to run for public office, my swill posting history will be my biggest liability.

Disqualifying, some might say.

You’re not even close to pussy grabbing status. Up your game.

That only works if your an R.

A lib gets buried if they say a woman was born with a uterus... and Cam would have to run as a "squad" level progressive with a magat's sense of purpose. So I'm positive Cam has said something "politically incorrect" on a daily basis in here.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-07-23, 14:26

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t think that anything he said here is all that bad, at least not worse than anything he would step up to a microphone and say out loud today anyway…

[tw]1815787695894917159[/tw]


Stuff like this is going to become more and more common though as people that grew up in the internet age get more involved and into higher roles in government. 

Like, not that I’ll ever run for anything, but I don’t know what I might have put on the internet in 2003 when I was 19. Probably nothing that bad but taken out of context 30 years later? Who knows what could be dug up. 

In fact I think it might be a problem specific to people that are 30-50 now. People that were active on the internet in the late 90s early aughts that might not have been fully aware of the lasting power of shit you put on the internet. I think people younger than that have grown up knowing that anything they say can and will be dug up, but people slightly older than them might not have been fully aware and probably said stupid shit that can be tied back if you look hard enough.

What if someone had some old Aol instant messenger chat logs from me from 1999-2004? Makes me shudder to think about. I found some on an old hard drive recently and were kind of a fun read. Mostly dumb crap though
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-07-23, 14:34

Trevor deleted tOld, Old Board right?

Yes, thing were typed back in the day I might not want to come to light.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-07-23, 14:36

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t think that anything he said here is all that bad, at least not worse than anything he would step up to a microphone and say out loud today anyway…

[tw]1815787695894917159[/tw]


Stuff like this is going to become more and more common though as people that grew up in the internet age get more involved and into higher roles in government. 

Like, not that I’ll ever run for anything, but I don’t know what I might have put on the internet in 2003 when I was 19. Probably nothing that bad but taken out of context 30 years later? Who knows what could be dug up. 

In fact I think it might be a problem specific to people that are 30-50 now. People that were active on the internet in the late 90s early aughts that might not have been fully aware of the lasting power of shit you put on the internet. I think people younger than that have grown up knowing that anything they say can and will be dug up, but people slightly older than them might not have been fully aware and probably said stupid shit that can be tied back if you look hard enough.

What if someone had some old Aol instant messenger chat logs from me from 1999-2004? Makes me shudder to think about.  I found some on an old hard drive recently and were kind of a fun read.  Mostly dumb crap though
A few years ago a friend of mine texted me and said “did you know our live journals still exist?” I figured out what my log in was and I didn’t even go for the trip down memory lane, I just hit delete as quickly as possible. I didn’t even really use the thing much, mostly it was a pre social media social media… but I didn’t even want to know what was on it
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-07-23, 14:45

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

What if someone had some old Aol instant messenger chat logs from me from 1999-2004? Makes me shudder to think about.  I found some on an old hard drive recently and were kind of a fun read.  Mostly dumb crap though
A few years ago a friend of mine texted me and said “did you know our live journals still exist?” I figured out what my log in was and I didn’t even go for the trip down memory lane, I just hit delete as quickly as possible. I didn’t even really use the thing much, mostly it was a pre social media social media… but I didn’t even want to know what was on it
Crap, I had one too, but I think I only made one entry and im sure it was incoherent insanity.

I also once made a geocities web page dedicated to hating on the R&b artist DeAngelo complete with Microsoft paint depictions of Cory Taylor from slipknot abusing him in various ways. DeAngelo was terrible though, he made a super annoying song/video where he just rotated naked on a platform that I got sick of seeing on the box/mtv. But why did I make a web page for my hate? I don't know. Dumb kid
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Post by kingstonlake 2024-07-23, 15:14

Alpena county board of commissioners just voted to remove all members of the library board over their refusal to move books they deemed inappropriate.

Welcome to Christo facist America.
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Post by Cameron 2024-09-26, 11:06

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I just can't get over how conservative this motherfucker is...
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-09-26, 11:32

I don’t know if everyone really conceptualizes how fuckin expensive child care is. It’s absolutely insane. I’m lucky, it’s generally not a problem. But when the kids are in school I’ll save between 1600-2000 a month. I don’t know how other people are able to handle it 

Then we got that creep Vance out there wanting to force people to have kids. How? Most people can’t afford this shit. I barely can, and I do reasonably well. But I have to make other sacrifices to make it happen.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2024-09-26, 11:38

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t know if everyone really conceptualizes how fuckin expensive child care is. It’s absolutely insane. I’m lucky, it’s generally not a problem. But when the kids are in school I’ll save between 1600-2000 a month. I don’t know how other people are able to handle it 

Then we got that creep Vance out there wanting to force people to have kids. How? Most people can’t afford this shit. I barely can, and I do reasonably well. But I have to make other sacrifices to make it happen.
republicans/libertarians are sick people.

My wife stayed home with our daughter for, I believe, 4 years. It was hard on her, as being a stay at home parent is exhausting.

I don't remember our primary reason for making that decision. I think it was partially financial (though we were lucky enough that we could get by on one income.. very fortunate for that) but I think she really wanted to be home with the kid, too.

but, yeah, I have some younger colleagues, friends, etc., where one parent has decided to just stay home because child care expenses is basically their paycheck.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-09-26, 11:43

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t know if everyone really conceptualizes how fuckin expensive child care is. It’s absolutely insane. I’m lucky, it’s generally not a problem. But when the kids are in school I’ll save between 1600-2000 a month. I don’t know how other people are able to handle it 

Then we got that creep Vance out there wanting to force people to have kids. How? Most people can’t afford this shit. I barely can, and I do reasonably well. But I have to make other sacrifices to make it happen.

Having two kids in day care was extremely difficult, that was like 25k/year and we generally only did 4 days a week. Luckily I only had a year of that and finally in school, it's like getting a big raise.  Unfortunately some house stuff comes up now and it's going to all get spent before we even realize the savings.  Such is life though.
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Post by gomersbro 2024-09-26, 14:33

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t know if everyone really conceptualizes how fuckin expensive child care is. It’s absolutely insane. I’m lucky, it’s generally not a problem. But when the kids are in school I’ll save between 1600-2000 a month. I don’t know how other people are able to handle it 

Then we got that creep Vance out there wanting to force people to have kids. How? Most people can’t afford this shit. I barely can, and I do reasonably well. But I have to make other sacrifices to make it happen.

$2k!!! Childcare doesn't have to be that expensive. Here in Germany we pay about $300 a month. Of course the most Kindergartens are run by the city so the government picks up the rest of the tab.
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-09-26, 14:55

gomersbro wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t know if everyone really conceptualizes how fuckin expensive child care is. It’s absolutely insane. I’m lucky, it’s generally not a problem. But when the kids are in school I’ll save between 1600-2000 a month. I don’t know how other people are able to handle it 

Then we got that creep Vance out there wanting to force people to have kids. How? Most people can’t afford this shit. I barely can, and I do reasonably well. But I have to make other sacrifices to make it happen.

$2k!!! Childcare doesn't have to be that expensive. Here in Germany we pay about $300 a month. Of course the most Kindergartens are run by the city so the government picks up the rest of the tab.

I know some Spartans that lived in Germany for a while, quite literally everything about having a child in Germany is wayyyyyyy better than here. Everything. I guess that's what you can do when you don't spend half your tax revenue on weapons
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-09-26, 15:19

gomersbro wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don’t know if everyone really conceptualizes how fuckin expensive child care is. It’s absolutely insane. I’m lucky, it’s generally not a problem. But when the kids are in school I’ll save between 1600-2000 a month. I don’t know how other people are able to handle it 

Then we got that creep Vance out there wanting to force people to have kids. How? Most people can’t afford this shit. I barely can, and I do reasonably well. But I have to make other sacrifices to make it happen.

$2k!!! Childcare doesn't have to be that expensive. Here in Germany we pay about $300 a month. Of course the most Kindergartens are run by the city so the government picks up the rest of the tab.
Welcome to our capitalistic hellscape please sign up for your 60/year Costco membership on your way in.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-09-26, 15:50

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$2k!!! Childcare doesn't have to be that expensive. Here in Germany we pay about $300 a month. Of course the most Kindergartens are run by the city so the government picks up the rest of the tab.

SOCIALIST HELLSCAPE!!!
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Post by gomersbro 2024-09-26, 15:56

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
gomersbro wrote:
$2k!!! Childcare doesn't have to be that expensive. Here in Germany we pay about $300 a month. Of course the most Kindergartens are run by the city so the government picks up the rest of the tab.

SOCIALIST HELLSCAPE!!!

I'm really looking forward to 13 years from now when she is going to college free of charge. Oh, and they will pay her bit to cover expenses.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-09-26, 16:07

gomersbro wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:

SOCIALIST HELLSCAPE!!!

I'm really looking forward to 13 years from now when she is going to college free of charge. Oh, and they will pay her bit to cover expenses.
Why you SOB....

I dropped at least 60k so far on 2 of my 3, and they have 3 more years (combined) to go.

The youngest one is luckily having a good time with her 529 she might be the MOST prepared... of course she's shooting for Stanford or Ivy league or similar which would blow the finances out of the water.

Yes Nordic/Euro Socialism would be the best. Just think if all these goober asshole trumpets who bitch and complain about their lot in life had a free chance to improve it at any point in their lifetime?
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2024-09-27, 15:25

At some point, politicians are going to have to address this.

Nvidia’s Huang Says Nuclear Power an Option to Feed Data Centers

How do you feel about giving energy from nuclear sources to power the data centers that are going to run all the artificial intelligence stuff that's going to kill us?
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Post by Rick Saunders 2024-09-30, 16:06

Floyd Robertson wrote:At some point, politicians are going to have to address this.

Nvidia’s Huang Says Nuclear Power an Option to Feed Data Centers

How do you feel about giving energy from nuclear sources to power the data centers that are going to run all the artificial intelligence stuff that's going to kill us?

I would ask AI to determine a way to safely dispose of the waste and then put a small modular molten salt reactor in every neighborhood until fusion gets figured out.

In the meantime TMI was decommissioned but still works and I find it hard to understand why an energy sucker that we already have shouldn't pay to bring it online and use it.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-10-01, 07:58

AI is not some super Intellagance that can create ideas we haven't thought of.

It is best thought of as a search engine which has broader search criteria so that it examines associations holistically the same way that we do with the knowledge we have.

This technology will sometimes, just like Albert Einstein did equating gravity & acceration to develop general relativity, propose a relationship that turns out to have a deeper meaning, but more often than not, based partly on its training data, it will propose utter drival.

Everything it proposes will still need to be tested with the same rigor as any other idea we come up with by other means.
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Post by kingstonlake 2024-10-04, 07:51

Is it odd the a local catholic priest has trump signs in his yard? Or is it the most duh thing ever?
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Post by DWags 2024-10-04, 07:55

kingstonlake wrote:Is it odd the a local catholic priest has trump signs in his yard? Or is it the most duh thing ever?

It’s a dumb ass move
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2024-10-04, 08:36

kingstonlake wrote:Is it odd the a local catholic priest has trump signs in his yard? Or is it the most duh thing ever?


actually, I kinda appreciate the transparency and him publicly owning it. Confirms what I've always known about them.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-10-04, 09:49

kingstonlake wrote:Is it odd the a local catholic priest has trump signs in his yard? Or is it the most duh thing ever?
Well, you know his depth of service isn't exactly all encompassing. (probably anti-pope and preaches counter to half the bible, too)
I'd venture to guess one of those gay child catholics trying to be celibate for god. Once you start lying to yourself, shit just keeps piling on.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-10-04, 09:51

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Is it odd the a local catholic priest has trump signs in his yard? Or is it the most duh thing ever?
Well, you know his depth of service isn't exactly all encompassing. (probably anti-pope and preaches counter to half the bible, too)
I'd venture to guess one of those gay child catholics trying to be celibate for god. Once you start lying to yourself, shit just keeps piling on.

Probably all about abortion?
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-10-04, 10:03

Trapper Gus wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Well, you know his depth of service isn't exactly all encompassing. (probably anti-pope and preaches counter to half the bible, too)
I'd venture to guess one of those gay child catholics trying to be celibate for god. Once you start lying to yourself, shit just keeps piling on.

Probably all about abortion?

Only if he isn't paying attention. (Since both Trump and the first lady are voting pro-choice)

No, just a dumb asshole, like the general population.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-10-04, 10:34

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Probably all about abortion?

Only if he isn't paying attention. (Since both Trump and the first lady are voting pro-choice)

No, just a dumb asshole, like the general population.

Mrs. T suggests she is in favor of women's health in her soon to be released book, not sure she has said what she is voting for...

Mr. T has said he is voting against the abortion admendment in Florida.
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Seems potentially significant.
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Color me shocked.


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