Joe Biden is crushing it.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I agree.

Biden didn't make the same mistakes in 2020 the Clinton Campaign did in 2016 and they have upped their game this time around.

Yet somehow you guys think that can all be tossed in the waste can without an impact.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/30/politics/biden-campaign-offices-election/index.html

Wait. What??? You think the Biden campaign is going better this year than in 2020?

Yes, I do.

Perhaps you forget that the 2020 election was closer in the swing states than the 2016 election.

Biden's campaign staff took that to heart and upped their GOTV planned and effort, especially in the swing states.

In a close election it is the GOTV effort that mattes, which is why Clinton lost.

Biden didn't make that mistake in 2020 and has put even more effort into it this time.

The dump Biden crowd wants to throw that all away, a sure Trump victory.

This thread as cause me to think the most likely reason this is ongoing is big money donor's getting cold feet, and it wouldn't surprise me if part of the reason for that is Trump threatening to sic the IRS on them if he wins. Pure hot air on my part but Occam's Razor says it makes some sense.

If you believe in the polls that say nothing changed after the debate then do you also believe those same polls that say every Dem senate candidate is leading in the polls in 7 swing states and Biden is losing?

If that isn’t whistling by the graveyard I don’t know what is.

kingstonlake wrote:If you believe in the polls that say nothing changed after the debate then do you also believe those same polls that say every Dem senate candidate is leading in the polls in 7 swing states and Biden is losing?

If that isn’t whistling by the graveyard I don’t know what is.

The polls swing around, and in a close election, as this one looks like if you discount my blue wave theory, which I defiantly would if I were running a campaign, the outcome hinges on which side gets their voters to vote during the election.

After all Clinton was leading in the polls on the day before the election in 2016.

PennSpartan wrote:You have lost all credibility . There isn’t a Democrat anywhere that is saying this except you. And what is GOTV? Is this another of your made up acronyms?

Biden is saying it, forsure. So that's one.

Get Out The Vote

Used all the time in the MSM if you read the detailed political articles.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The polls swing around, and in a close election, as this one looks like if you discount my blue wave theory, which I defiantly would if I were running a campaign, the outcome hinges on which side gets their voters to vote during the election.

After all Clinton was leading in the polls on the day before the election in 2016.

Every single election is determined by which side gets more voters out. Jesus.

So if Democrats can get more people to come out and vote than Republicans get people to come out and vote, they stand a good chance at winning?

This is the type of hard hitting political analysis I come to tSwill for.

PennSpartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So if Democrats can get more people to come out and vote than Republicans get people to come out and vote, they stand a good chance at winning?

This is the type of hard hitting political analysis I come to tSwill for.

Trapper has painted himself into a corner, and like Trump, he can never admit when he’s wrong. This campaign is going horribly. The last three weeks have been awful. I’m sure Biden’s inner circle would admit that, although anonymously. I want Trump defeated. If Biden does it, great. But we’re in the 4th quarter and he’s limping badly.

To be fair... Trap was this way with Hillary, too.

He gets very attached to his political idols.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Biden is saying it, forsure. So that's one.

Get Out The Vote

Used all the time in the MSM if you read the detailed political articles.

That acronym has never been used by the mainstream media. Quit making stuff up.

https://ballotpedia.org/What_is_GOTV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_out_the_vote

If the contours of the race remained fixed, its outcome may hinge upon the quality of their two parties’ get-out-the-vote operations. And on this front, Democrats should retain their optimism. As I recently wrote, the Trump campaign has made a reckless bet on the far-right Turning Point network to shoulder much of its GOTV effort despite its nonexistent track record of successful electioneering and its reputation for financial mismanagement.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2024/07/15/get-a-grip-democrats-you-can-still-win-this/

https://news.yahoo.com/news/biden-campaign-ramping-pennsylvania-gotv-113031592.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJMrPb9OQIF_tMPfcvMK8yjoadcf2BMVsAxeJzXTrO5OvJ9Uu2jvaeObCX_bvZRwFaAB8gkwBDhxqhY6c5UHjAJNqY6t3exZNMGqUdW9cboiciXB4VUhRKr2QaYID7jT4tT9Rhx7eTKDkThAH3V9c1poggTjPyr8TG7BfmPRtqrB

PennSpartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So if Democrats can get more people to come out and vote than Republicans get people to come out and vote, they stand a good chance at winning?

This is the type of hard hitting political analysis I come to tSwill for.

Trapper has painted himself into a corner, and like Trump, he can never admit when he’s wrong.  This campaign is going horribly.  The last three weeks have been awful.  I’m sure Biden’s inner circle would admit that, although anonymously. I want Trump defeated.  If Biden does it, great.  But we’re in the 4th quarter and he’s limping badly.  

Pointing out that the history of late changes or contentious Party Conventions has not been successful for the Parties is just the facts, man, not malarky.

Point out that Harris is the only choice that will be able to use the Biden Campaign's money & effort due to election laws is just another fact, as is the fact that she isn't seen in the polls as any better than Biden, which matters less but it is still a data point.

Pointing out the GOTV effort by the Biden campaign in 2020 was the major difference between his campaign & Clinton's is just another fact.  On TOB there were posters, not me, who were livid at how lackadaisical the Clinton Campaign's GOTV effort in Michigan was.

That you don't want to accept the facts is par for the course on message boards.

I label my speculation as such so you can forget about attacking me on that.

TravelinMan wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper has painted himself into a corner, and like Trump, he can never admit when he’s wrong. This campaign is going horribly. The last three weeks have been awful. I’m sure Biden’s inner circle would admit that, although anonymously. I want Trump defeated. If Biden does it, great. But we’re in the 4th quarter and he’s limping badly.

To be fair... Trap was this way with Hillary, too.

He gets very attached to his political idols.

I'm all in on the Democratic Party, something I have never tried to hide.

I also like facts over MSM narratives, something you guys fall for every time.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper has painted himself into a corner, and like Trump, he can never admit when he’s wrong.  This campaign is going horribly.  The last three weeks have been awful.  I’m sure Biden’s inner circle would admit that, although anonymously. I want Trump defeated.  If Biden does it, great.  But we’re in the 4th quarter and he’s limping badly.  

Pointing out that the history of late changes or contentious Party Conventions has not been successful for the Parties is just the facts, man, not malarky.

Point out that Harris is the only choice that will be able to use the Biden Campaign's money & effort due to election laws is just another fact, as is the fact that she isn't seen in the polls as any better than Biden, which matters less but it is still a data point.

Pointing out the GOTV effort by the Biden campaign in 2020 was the major difference between his campaign & Clinton's is just another fact.  On TOB there were posters, not me, who were livid at how lackadaisical the Clinton Campaign's GOTV effort in Michigan was.

That you don't want to accept the facts is par for the course on message boards.

I label my speculation as such so you can forget about attacking me on that.

Why is Harris not seen as better than Biden in your...."speculation?"

She doesn't have pudding for brains, does she?

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Biden is saying it, forsure.  So that's one.

Get Out The Vote

Used all the time in the MSM if you read the detailed political articles.

That acronym has never been used by the mainstream media.  Quit making stuff up.  

He’s not making it up but when trapper latches onto a phrase that he thinks makes him sound cool he goes full gish gallop on it and won’t let it go until everyone acknowledges how many articles he reads

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

To be fair... Trap was this way with Hillary, too.

He gets very attached to his political idols.

I'm all in on the Democratic Party, something I have never tried to hide.

I also like facts over MSM narratives, something you guys fall for every time.

Every. Fucking. Day. For the past 7 years, the MSM has told us that Trump is a pile of shit.

Joe Biden has a bad debate, a bunch of prominent Democrats turn on him, and the MSM DARE mention it, and now you don't trust them?

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pointing out that the history of late changes or contentious Party Conventions has not been successful for the Parties is just the facts, man, not malarky.

Point out that Harris is the only choice that will be able to use the Biden Campaign's money & effort due to election laws is just another fact, as is the fact that she isn't seen in the polls as any better than Biden, which matters less but it is still a data point.

Pointing out the GOTV effort by the Biden campaign in 2020 was the major difference between his campaign & Clinton's is just another fact.  On TOB there were posters, not me, who were livid at how lackadaisical the Clinton Campaign's GOTV effort in Michigan was.

That you don't want to accept the facts is par for the course on message boards.

I label my speculation as such so you can forget about attacking me on that.

Why is Harris not seen as better than Biden in your...."speculation?"

She doesn't have pudding for brains, does she?

Both Biden & Harris are super smart, someone here has "latched onto" pudding for brains".

Anyone who replaces Biden is going to be an unknown in the race. I was just going by the polling for Biden & Harris which shows them to be the same, within a percentage point of each other, which as I said, is a data point but polls change and quickly sometimes.

I'm still waiting for someone on here to figgier out, beyond the MSM narrative, WTF is going on with the Democratic Party.

My number one guess is still big money donor's \getting cold feet and my number one speculation for that is that Trump us threatening them.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Why is Harris not seen as better than Biden in your...."speculation?"

She doesn't have pudding for brains, does she?

Both Biden & Harris are super smart, someone here has "latched onto" pudding for brains".

Anyone who replaces Biden is going to be an unknown in the race. I was just going by the polling for Biden & Harris which shows them to be the same, within a percentage point of each other, which as I said, is a data point but polls change and quickly sometimes.

I'm still waiting for someone on here to figgier out, beyond the MSM narrative, WTF is going on with the Democratic Party.

My number one guess is still big money donor's \getting cold feet and my number one speculation for that is that Trump us threatening them.

Biden CAN be smart. He can also produce astounding moments of "What the fuck was that?"

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Both Biden & Harris are super smart, someone here has "latched onto" pudding for brains".

Anyone who replaces Biden is going to be an unknown in the race. I was just going by the polling for Biden & Harris which shows them to be the same, within a percentage point of each other, which as I said, is a data point but polls change and quickly sometimes.

I'm still waiting for someone on here to figgier out, beyond the MSM narrative, WTF is going on with the Democratic Party.

My number one guess is still big money donor's \getting cold feet and my number one speculation for that is that Trump is threatening them.

You still don’t get it. It’s not donors. It’s not the mainstream media. It’s Biden himself. And the need to defeat Trump. By the way, your GOTV examples are hardly mainstream. I’ve never heard Lester Holt or Anderson Cooper utter that acronym on a TV broadcast. Just stick to the actual words, Trapper.

Well Lester Holt was mean to Biden, so.... he doesn't count!

Motown Spartan wrote:Biden will win…the popular vote.
Trump will win the election and George W Bush will remain as the only Republican to win the popular vote since 1988.

Hang a banner!

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Both Biden & Harris are super smart, someone here has "latched onto" pudding for brains".

Anyone who replaces Biden is going to be an unknown in the race. I was just going by the polling for Biden & Harris which shows them to be the same, within a percentage point of each other, which as I said, is a data point but polls change and quickly sometimes.

I'm still waiting for someone on here to figgier out, beyond the MSM narrative, WTF is going on with the Democratic Party.

My number one guess is still big money donor's \getting cold feet and my number one speculation for that is that Trump is threatening them.

You still don’t get it. It’s not donors. It’s not the mainstream media. It’s Biden himself. And the need to defeat Trump. By the way, your GOTV examples are hardly mainstream. I’ve never heard Lester Holt or Anderson Cooper utter that acronym on a TV broadcast. Just stick to the actual words, Trapper.

You don't get it.

I want the candidate who has the best chance of winning.

That is Joe Biden.

The only viable replacement is Harris, in order to keep the campaign structure and money that has been established over the last 4 years and is critical if Democratic candidates are going to win.

Any other choice is a disaster for the election of other Democratics.

Biden looked bad according to the MSM kool-aid you guys are slurping up. You stop there.

However, the debate itself didn't move the polling meter much, yes the constant negative drum beat from MSM is annoying but it hasn't move that meter much either.

Why, why, why are professional dems coming out against Biden? I don't have an answer, but polling numbers isn't it.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I'm all in on the Democratic Party, something I have never tried to hide.

I also like facts over MSM narratives, something you guys fall for every time.

Every. Fucking. Day. For the past 7 years, the MSM has told us that Trump is a pile of shit.

Joe Biden has a bad debate, a bunch of prominent Democrats turn on him, and the MSM DARE mention it, and now you don't trust them?

I been on the "don't trust the MSM" for years...

Are you having a stroke or smething?

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You don't get it.  

I want the candidate who has the best chance of winning.

That is Joe Biden.

The only viable replacement is Harris, in order to keep the campaign structure and money that has been established over the last 4 years and is critical if Democratic candidates are going to win.

Any other choice is a disaster for the election of other Democratics.

Biden looked bad according to the MSM kool-aid you guys are slurping up.  You stop there.

However, the debate itself didn't move the polling meter much, yes the constant negative drum beat from MSM is annoying but it hasn't move that meter much either.

Why, why, why are professional dems coming out against Biden?  I don't have an answer, but polling numbers isn't it.

You don’t think they use internal polling/focus groups to evaluate someone’s chances of winning?

I can tell you that campaigns use it to allocate where they spend money.something?

I do think that.

I also think that they don't trust the polls.

I'm pretty much convinced that rich doners are telling the Democratic candidates they are going to pull funding if Biden is on the ticket.  Pressure from Trump is my guess as to why.

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

You don’t think they use internal polling/focus groups to evaluate someone’s chances of winning?

I can tell you that campaigns use it to allocate where they spend money.something?

I do think that.

I also think that they don't trust the polls.

I'm pretty much convinced that rich doners are telling the Democratic candidates they are going to pull funding if Biden is on the ticket.  Pressure from Trump is my guess as to why.

You think George Clooney is getting pressured by Trump?

It just sucks that down ballot democrats have to take the time on the campaign trail to defend that debate performance and calling Zelensky, Putin and calling his vice president, Trump.

And I should trust that down ballot democrat if he does?

PennSpartan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:Biden will win…the popular vote.
Trump will win the election and George W Bush will remain as the only Republican to win the popular vote since 1988.

I don’t think Biden will win the popular vote. In most states where Biden is winning, Biden has a relatively small lead. Trump has massive leads in many red states.

Biden wins the popular vote comfortably.

the "Joe Biden is old" narrative, along with whatever else republicans/libertarians and the mainstream media come up with, will give the EC to the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon....

worst case scenario, the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon takes it to the courts and wins.

and y'all get Project 2025 and have voted in your last meaningful election ever.

Motown Spartan wrote:Biden will win…the popular vote.

That and $1 will get him a cup of coffee at McDonalds.

PennSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: Biden wins the popular vote comfortably.

the "Joe Biden is old" narrative, along with whatever else republicans/libertarians and the mainstream media come up with, will give the EC to the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon....

worst case scenario, the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon takes it to the courts and wins.

and y'all get Project 2025 and have voted in your last meaningful election ever.

And this is based on intuition? Tarot cards? Palm readings?

like everything else, my my opinion, home slice.

lemme guess.. you have a problem with it.

PennSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:like everything else, my my opinion, home slice.

lemme guess.. you have a problem with it.

No, you’re entitled. I just wanted to see if there was any data to support this.

oh, hell no. That sounds like a lot of work.

I prefer to deal with vibes.

Word on the street are big donors are aware of polling numbers that are worse than the public ones.

Wait. America votes with their wallets (for good or bad)?

Who knew.

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You don't get it.

I want the candidate who has the best chance of winning.

That is Joe Biden.

The only viable replacement is Harris, in order to keep the campaign structure and money that has been established over the last 4 years and is critical if Democratic candidates are going to win.

Any other choice is a disaster for the election of other Democratics.

Biden looked bad according to the MSM kool-aid you guys are slurping up. You stop there.

However, the debate itself didn't move the polling meter much, yes the constant negative drum beat from MSM is annoying but it hasn't move that meter much either.

Why, why, why are professional dems coming out against Biden? I don't have an answer, but polling numbers isn't it.

You don’t think they use internal polling/focus groups to evaluate someone’s chances of winning?

I can tell you that campaigns use it to allocate where they spend money.

Funny this is that key focus groups saw Biden as the clear winner in the debate