Re: Joe Biden is crushing it.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-04-28, 20:28

The independent judges thought he was the best choice of the nominees by WHCA members for this award. Joe Biden is crushing it. - Page 3 2599972566

by **Cameron** 2024-04-28, 20:46

I know, what a coincidence!

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-04-28, 20:54

Cameron wrote:I know, what a coincidence!

Not really, at least not what she seems to be implying.

Does she need someone to explain the nomination & judging process?

The White House has no input to or control over the WHCA, which is an independent organization established and managed by news people who cover the White House. Newspeople are more independent in their perogative than even Swill posters.

by AvgMSUJoe 2024-04-29, 09:30

Young Americans' wealth has soared since the pandemic

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by **DWags** 2024-04-29, 09:34

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Young Americans' wealth has soared since the pandemic

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For the life of me, I don’t understand why these messages aren’t getting out to the general public

I have my suspicions about CNN right now. Trump and the RNC are broke. CNN gives him literally millions and millions of dollars of free publicity daily

The latest Poll also is confusing. If upwards of 97% of Americans that consider themselves, Democrats say they will vote for Biden, Is it possible that Trump could have a 49% to 43% lead?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-04-29, 09:37

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Young Americans' wealth has soared since the pandemic

[tw]1784931389080535118[/tw]

love the "here's why that's bad news for Joe Biden" caveat. Joe Biden is crushing it. - Page 3 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-04-29, 09:44

DWags wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Young Americans' wealth has soared since the pandemic

[tw]1784931389080535118[/tw]

For the life of me, I don’t understand why these messages aren’t getting out to the general public

I have my suspicions about CNN right now. Trump and the RNC are broke. CNN gives him literally millions and millions of dollars of free publicity daily

The latest Poll also is confusing. If upwards of 97% of Americans that consider themselves, Democrats say they will vote for Biden, Is it possible that Trump could have a 49% to 43% lead?

Each party has about 30% of the population or so who claim to belong.

The people who are not strong party supporters are the ones whose votes decide elections. FWIW only about between 5% to 10% of the population really are independent, the rest of the independents "tend" to vote consistently year after year, for one of the two parties.

The Trump trials are a godsend for the MSM who can cover them as news without facing criterium of Trump coverage bias.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-04-29, 09:54

Trapper Gus wrote:
DWags wrote:

For the life of me, I don’t understand why these messages aren’t getting out to the general public

I have my suspicions about CNN right now. Trump and the RNC are broke. CNN gives him literally millions and millions of dollars of free publicity daily

The latest Poll also is confusing. If upwards of 97% of Americans that consider themselves, Democrats say they will vote for Biden, Is it possible that Trump could have a 49% to 43% lead?

Each party has about 30% of the population or so who claim to belong.

The people who are not strong party supporters are the ones whose votes decide elections. FWIW only about between 5% to 10% of the population really are independent, the rest of the independents "tend" to vote consistently year after year, for one of the two parties.

I'm willing to bet that we'll never see another presidential election in our life where the margin of victory is more than 5-8% of the popular vote.

the mainstream media, Russia, et al., has achieved their goal of dividing America to the point of social, ethical and moral gridlock. I'd say 5-10% of the electorate will decide which way the country turns for the foreseeable future, if not until American democracy ends altogether.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-04-29, 10:02

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Each party has about 30% of the population or so who claim to belong.

The people who are not strong party supporters are the ones whose votes decide elections. FWIW only about between 5% to 10% of the population really are independent, the rest of the independents "tend" to vote consistently year after year, for one of the two parties.
I'm willing to bet that we'll never see another presidential election in our life where the margin of victory is more than 5-8% of the popular vote.

the mainstream media, Russia, et al., has achieved their goal of dividing America to the point of social, ethical and moral gridlock. I'd say 5-10% of the electorate will decide which way the country turns for the foreseeable future, if not until American democracy ends altogether.

5% to 8% of the popular vote margin is considered a landslide election and has been most of my life.

Nixon won in 1972 with 60.7% of the popular vote and carried 49 states in the EC.

LBJ won in 1964 with 61.1% of the popular vote and carried 44 states in the EC.

Reagan won in 1984 with 58.8% of the popular vote and carried 49 states in the EC.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-04-29, 10:22

"Things were going on" before the Biden era, says Bill Baer, who was assistant attorney general in charge of the antitrust division from 2013 to 2016 and served at the FTC in the 1970s and 1990s. "But this administration has elevated it to a new level."

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/29/the-latest-sign-that-the-us-is-in-a-new-antitrust-era

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-04-29, 11:18

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm willing to bet that we'll never see another presidential election in our life where the margin of victory is more than 5-8% of the popular vote.

the mainstream media, Russia, et al., has achieved their goal of dividing America to the point of social, ethical and moral gridlock. I'd say 5-10% of the electorate will decide which way the country turns for the foreseeable future, if not until American democracy ends altogether.

5% to 8% of the popular vote margin is considered a landslide election and has been most of my life.

Nixon won in 1972 with 60.7% of the popular vote and carried 49 states in the EC.

LBJ won in 1964 with 61.1% of the popular vote and carried 44 states in the EC.

Reagan won in 1984 with 58.8% of the popular vote and carried 49 states in the EC.

yep - and my point is, I don't think we'll ever live in a time where the presidential election results is anything more than 52-48... maybe 54-46 if one of the candidates is, like, a serial killer... though, depending on the party, that might not be a bad thing for him.

I mean, a convicted rapist currently sitting in a criminal trial and he has 88 felony charges against him is leading in the polls because the christians and mainstream media like him. Joe Biden is crushing it. - Page 3 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-04, 08:46

https://apnews.com/article/star-wars-luke-skywalker-biden-mark-hamill-058ad8d8a17827d8e61ced61cd224a02

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-05-04, 08:51

by Zurn 2024-05-04, 08:53

Nothing says desperate more than bringing a fat Luke Skywalker to your press briefing.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-04, 08:58

Zurn wrote:Nothing says desperate more than bringing a fat Luke Skywalker to your press briefing.

Oh grow up - it was cute. It's going after the over 60 age group, btw.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-04, 10:08

Zurn wrote:Nothing says desperate more than bringing a fat Luke Skywalker to your press briefing.

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by Zurn 2024-05-04, 10:58

These are all presidential photo-ops, not the official White House press briefing.

But good effort!

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-04, 11:22

Zurn wrote:These are all presidential photo-ops, not the official White House press briefing.

But good effort!

Fuck your feelings. I’m glad they were hurt enough to be upset about it.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-06, 08:46

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-05-06, 08:48

kingstonlake wrote:
Zurn wrote:These are all presidential photo-ops, not the official White House press briefing.

But good effort!

Fuck your feelings. I’m glad they were hurt enough to be upset about it.

gotta love it when the supporters of the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist get their fragile feelings hurt.

at some point, you'd think that they would figure out that no matter how much they hate Joe Biden, he's never going to be charged with 88 felonies and convicted of rape.

oh well.. at least they're entertaining.

by Zurn 2024-05-06, 09:04

kingstonlake wrote:
Zurn wrote:These are all presidential photo-ops, not the official White House press briefing.

But good effort!

Fuck your feelings. I’m glad they were hurt enough to be upset about it.

I think "amused" would be the better description.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-06, 09:52

Trapper Gus wrote:

Stop with the idiocy . You know that graph is complete bullshit.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-06, 10:25

kingstonlake wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Stop with the idiocy . You know that graph is complete bullshit.

Your comments often confuse me, so let me ask, why do you call the graph BS?

The numbers are correct FWIW.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-06, 12:06

Trapper Gus wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Stop with the idiocy . You know that graph is complete bullshit.

Your comments often confuse me, so let me ask, why do you call the graph BS?

The numbers are correct FWIW.

Let me guess. You think if 20 million people left the work force in April and those 20 million went back to work in June, that you “created” 20 million jobs? This is why people call you a bootlicker and apologists, lol.

Biden gets credit for stabilizing post COVID and any job numbers that exceed pre pandemic level. And it ain’t 475k per month (Or 18,750,000 jobs in 39 months)

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-06, 12:43

kingstonlake wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Your comments often confuse me, so let me ask, why do you call the graph BS?

The numbers are correct FWIW.

Let me guess. You think if 20 million people left the work force in April and those 20 million went back to work in June, that you “created” 20 million jobs? This is why people call you a bootlicker and apologists, lol.

Biden gets credit for stabilizing post COVID and any job numbers that exceed pre pandemic level. And it ain’t 475k per month (Or 18,750,000 jobs in 39 months)

By your argument no President who has a recession and then a recovery creates any of those jobs, yet in the past it has been customary to use the number of jobs at the start of a President's term and at the end to measure jobs created. You are changing the rules to make an argument.

Here is a bit of counterpoint.

In the graph, below, the v-shaped job loss & recovery occurred during the Trump administration as a result of the state shutdowns & opening up during 2020.

When Biden took office that part of the job impact had already occurred, and the jobs lost directly due to shutdowns during the pandemic had been recovered.

The rest of the jobs lost were mostly due to businesses either being wiped up by the pandemic, as many small businesses were, or by very poor decisions made by corporations which left them in a poor position to take advantage of the economic recovery.

So, first, even during the 2020 job loss & recovery the economy was greatly cushioned by emergency acts of Congress, pushed and passed by Democratic leadership in Congress, with Republican support in Congress, and with Biden's jawboning & signed by Trump.

At the end of 2020 there was another Act pushed through by the Democratic Congress & then in March 2021 there was a third rather massive act passed. In some sense these were consensus actions, however, Trump and the Republican's held up the second one, which the Democratic Congress wanted, from July 2020 until December 2020 due to politics. It is reasonable to say that the 2020 election caused the December 2020 Act and definitely caused the 2021 Act.

Biden deserves some credit for the December Act & all the credit for the March Act.

The employment numbers came back because of these two acts, championed by the Democratics, including Biden.

Therefore, it is fair to credit Biden with the increases in employment starting at the beginning of his term, which, historically, is how we have always measured employment for a President.

It might be argued that these jobs would have come back anyway, however, without the Acts championed by the Democratics (& Biden is their leader), that is a questionable supposition.

Here is the employment chart:

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link to chart

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-06, 12:54

The longer your posts are the more I know you’re wrong.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-06, 13:02

kingstonlake wrote:The longer your posts are the more I know you’re wrong.

Law of averages for ideas in one post, I suppose.

I'm mostly right in this one, there are arguments to be made against what I posted but you are not making any.

I'm make is simpler then.

Just like every other President Biden gets credit for the number of jobs now minus the number of jobs at the beginning of his term.

Anyone saying otherwise is lying.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-06, 13:05

You don’t turn off 20 million jobs then get credit for (as your meme says) “creating” 20 million when they’re turned back on.

by Zurn 2024-05-06, 14:38

The whole idea that a president "creates" jobs is laughable from the outset.

by **GRR Spartan** 2024-05-06, 15:13

Yet when Trump says it his advisors, confederates and rally attendees it’s seen as the truth.

by TravelinMan 2024-05-06, 15:25

GRR Spartan wrote:Yet when Trump says it his advisors, confederates and rally attendees it’s seen as the truth.

Just as when Biden says it and some members of this forum lap it up. Just the different side of the same, misguided coin.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-05-06, 15:37

GRR Spartan wrote:Yet when Trump says it his advisors, confederates and rally attendees it’s seen as the truth.

America is a stupid country.

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-05-06, 16:13

kingstonlake wrote:You don’t turn off 20 million jobs then get credit for (as your meme says) “creating” 20 million when they’re turned back on.

You can, in fact do that.

What number would you credit Biden for? Trump floats crap all the time like COVID never happened. I would say creating 20 million for Biden is a little overly dramatic but it takes recovery to do that and he did in fact recover the economy. Trump is running around pretending that we are in economic flames, which ironically would be the fire he started, pretending like recovery never happened. Well it did happen and that is a good thing for us all even though many like to pretend it didn't for partisan reasons

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-05-06, 16:14

Zurn wrote:The whole idea that a president "creates" jobs is laughable from the outset.

It is, but like it or not that is a metric many many people use, especially trump, if he could. It's only not being used as much because his numbers are horrible but I'd bet he would say otherwise.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-06, 16:53

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:You don’t turn off 20 million jobs then get credit for (as your meme says) “creating” 20 million when they’re turned back on.
You can, in fact do that.

What number would you credit Biden for? Trump floats crap all the time like COVID never happened. I would say creating 20 million for Biden is a little overly dramatic but it takes recovery to do that and he did in fact recover the economy. Trump is running around pretending that we are in economic flames, which ironically would be the fire he started, pretending like recovery never happened. Well it did happen and that is a good thing for us all even though many like to pretend it didn't for partisan reasons

I said he should get credit for the recovery. As far as job “creation” goes anything over April 2020 numbers is his to claim, IMHO. So like 3-5 million? Which is a good number. Especially considering the economy need to get its feet under itself, inflation, interest rates, etc.

. If we’re being objective here Trump “created” like 7 million? It was a good four years for job growth. Sure he blew it with Covid and shit. But to sit here and act like Biden tripled that is disingenuous. He helped in the “recovery” of job growth. “Creation” is a different story.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-06, 18:12

kingstonlake wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:
You can, in fact do that.

What number would you credit Biden for? Trump floats crap all the time like COVID never happened. I would say creating 20 million for Biden is a little overly dramatic but it takes recovery to do that and he did in fact recover the economy. Trump is running around pretending that we are in economic flames, which ironically would be the fire he started, pretending like recovery never happened. Well it did happen and that is a good thing for us all even though many like to pretend it didn't for partisan reasons

I said he should get credit for the recovery. As far as job “creation” goes anything over April 2020 numbers is his to claim, IMHO. So like 3-5 million? Which is a good number. Especially considering the economy need to get its feet under itself, inflation, interest rates, etc.

. If we’re being objective here Trump “created” like 7 million? It was a good four years for job growth. Sure he blew it with Covid and shit. But to sit here and act like Biden tripled that is disingenuous. He helped in the “recovery” of job growth. “Creation” is a different story.

Employment April 1, 2020: 133,185,000
Employment April 1, 2024: 161,491 000

Total Increase: 28,306,000

Divided by 48 months: 589,708 per month

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-05-06, 18:23

Why are we picking dates that are 7 months before Biden was president

You know what I don’t care

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-06, 18:33

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why are we picking dates that are 7 months before Biden was president

You know what I don’t care

Yes you do.

Kingstonelake chose that date.

I think that Febuary 1st 2021 and, as of today, 37 months makes more sense.

February 1st 2021: 150,140,000
April 1st, 2024: 161,491,000
11,351,000 jobs added divided by 37

306,784 per month. Still the highest of the Presidents listed.

No idea the data the White House chose.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-05-06, 19:15

Trapper Gus wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why are we picking dates that are 7 months before Biden was president

You know what I don’t care

Yes you do.

Kingstonelake chose that date.

I think that Febuary 1st 2021 and, as of today, 37 months makes more sense.

February 1st 2021: 150,140,000
April 1st, 2024: 161,491,000
11,351,000 jobs added divided by 37

306,784 per month. Still the highest of the Presidents listed.

No idea the data the White House chose.

I didn’t choose the date. That’s the date the economy was turned off.

Whatever I’ve moved on. I’ll let you champion Biden “creating” 7 billion jobs.

Think I’ll buy the Yankees and sit Stanton and Judges 100 home runs this year. Next year when I put them back in the lineup and they hit 120 home runs I’ll claim I’m a great owner and created 120 home runs from scratch.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-05-06, 19:26

the fact that people are arguing about good news relative to employment numbers shows you how fucked up America has become.

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