The Traditional; Main Stream Media is doing its Job - Tik Tok & other "Social Media" Not So Much

HEATHER COX RICHARDSON wrote:Biden appears to be aiming for the same result, but he might be stymied by a news system that has many Americans not just unaware of the good economic news, but believing the opposite. Lauren Aratani of The Guardian reported earlier this week on an exclusive Harris poll showing that 56% of Americans believe incorrectly that the U.S. is in a recession. Those following the stock market are slightly more informed: 49% of them think the S&P stock market index is down for the year. Almost half of those polled—49%—think unemployment is at a 50-year high. Seventy-two percent think inflation is increasing. Fifty-eight percent of those polled blame Biden for mismanaging an economy that is in fact the strongest in the world.

Tempting as it is to blame the media for its relentless focus on bad news rather than good, a study from NBC News at the end of April showed that those who follow national newspapers and media swing heavily to Biden, while those who either don’t follow politics or get their news from YouTube and social media favor Trump or Robert Kennedy Jr.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-23-2024

A study from NBC NEWS says NBC NEWS is the BEES KNEES

Try to, for half a second, look at a source you like with even a sort of critical eye.

A new study from Philips Morris says smoking is “rad as hell”

A new study from McDonald’s says the best diets include daily servings of fries

A new study from Exxon mobile says that “actually the seagulls like being covered in oil they consider it a great honor”

A new study from Wal Mart says employees prefer to make minimum wage and making more makes them feel bad

Pretty much expected that from the Know-Nothing Caucus on this board - attack the source when it is MSM is weak sauce, as you well know.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-biden-trump-supporters-sharply-divided-media-consume-rcna149497

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24614251-240126-nbc-april-2024-poll-4-26-2024-release

Unlike this boards "Know Nothings" I will back up the sources with links detailing their biases

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nbc-news/

Everyone shut up the smartest guy in the room started a thread make sure you look upon it with gazed awe. He’s so smart you guys and you should just listen to him in thread after thread after thread where he imparts his wisdom upon you. Consider yourself lucky to have encountered such a celestial being as this one.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Everyone shut up the smartest guy in the room started a thread make sure you look upon it with gazed awe. He’s so smart you guys and you should just listen to him in thread after thread after thread where he imparts his wisdom upon you. Consider yourself lucky to have encountered such a celestial being as this one.

Good grief Travis - I post a simple fact-based topic and you seemingly lose your bananas.

Looked up the 538 rating of the polling firm that did this poll and here is the scree shot and a link so you all can see what the numbers mean.



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

edit - here is a visual of the poll:

Very few people will understand the depths and damage the Russian disinformation project across all media platforms had/has. It wasn’t just to sway an election. It was to sew the seeds of doubt. We now battle back and forth on what is or isn’t the truth. The truth no longer exists. What exists is our selective belief in what it is or isn’t. I said a long time ago China and Russia will defeat the USA without firing a shot.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Everyone shut up the smartest guy in the room started a thread make sure you look upon it with gazed awe. He’s so smart you guys and you should just listen to him in thread after thread after thread where he imparts his wisdom upon you. Consider yourself lucky to have encountered such a celestial being as this one.

Good grief Travis - I post a simple fact-based topic and you seemingly lose your bananas.

Looked up the 538 rating of the polling firm that did this poll and here is the scree shot and a link so you all can see what the numbers mean.



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

“Fact based”

In a new study poster Travis says that Travis is the best poster here

Truth is trapper that you didn’t give a second thought to that absurdity before you posted it. You are all too easy of a sheep to herd for them.

Now that you know, if you’d prefer I just delete this ridiculous thread for you, let me know.

kingstonlake wrote:Very few people will understand the depths and damage the Russian disinformation project across all media platforms had/has. It wasn’t just to sway an election. It was to sew the seeds of doubt. We now battle back and forth on what is or isn’t the truth. The truth no longer exists. What exists is our selective belief in what it is or isn’t. I said a long time ago China and Russia will defeat the USA without firing a shot.

NBC News will tell you the truth about nbc news. That much I know for sure

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:


Good grief Travis - I post a simple fact-based topic and you seemingly lose your bananas.

Looked up the 538 rating of the polling firm that did this poll and here is the scree shot and a link so you all can see what the numbers mean.



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

“Fact based”

In a new study poster Travis says that Travis is the best poster here

Truth is trapper that you didn’t give a second thought to that absurdity before you posted it. You are all too easy of a sheep to herd for them.

Now that you know, if you’d prefer I just delete this ridiculous thread for you, let me know.

Look, I'm not going to get into this more than I have - I noted when I posted it that it was sourced from NBC News, and knowing who they are, and how much effort they put into getting it right, I assumed they did their homework.

After you, I'll be polite, "questioned" the source I did my homework and posted the results of that, which backed up the report.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Very few people will understand the depths and damage the Russian disinformation project across all media platforms had/has. It wasn’t just to sway an election. It was to sew the seeds of doubt. We now battle back and forth on what is or isn’t the truth. The truth no longer exists. What exists is our selective belief in what it is or isn’t. I said a long time ago China and Russia will defeat the USA without firing a shot.

NBC News will tell you the truth about nbc news. That much I know for sure

All I know is we subscribe to whatever news channel, podcast, page, content provider, etc that will tell us what we want to hear. Part of me wonders if the 40% who don’t vote are the only sane ones left. Lol.

kingstonlake wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

NBC News will tell you the truth about nbc news. That much I know for sure

All I know is we subscribe to whatever news channel, podcast, page, content provider, etc that will tell us what we want to hear. Part of me wonders if the 40% who don’t vote are the only sane ones left. Lol.

Many people do that, kingstonlake, which is why those who wish to be informed use multiple news sources with multiple biases and know the general biases of their sources. The poll agrees with your comment, so it has that going for it, I guess.

Does Trapper love the MSM as much as Bob hates it? More?

One further comment on if I was looking for a source which vindicated the traditional MSM, as per the following quote.

In 1818’s Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung, the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer distills this to a single sentence: “An adopted hypothesis gives us lynx-eyes for everything that confirms it and makes us blind to everything that contradicts it.”

I may have been, but my feelings are I was not. I read Ms. Cox regularly, as some will know, and the quote I used was two paragraphs at the end of her posting about something else. I am interested in how the media affects the opinions of people, but never expected that people who read traditional media would have such a Biden bias, and yes, because of that, and because of those on this board who keep attacking people who try to stay informed by gaslighting them, I am sensitive to information of this sort.

Since it was a poll conducted for NBC News, knowing the NBC News has the money and ethics to try to report accurately, it seemed as though it would be a solid factoid, and fit into the ongoing across a number of threads, conflict about sourcing and opinions on this board, thus I started the thread.

So yes, my bias to find interesting & seemingly valid data on how people are biased by their sources for the ongoing board debate sensitized me to this, however the idea that traditional media consumers are leaning to Biden was not, IMO, part of that sensitivity, but just the result of what NBC had polled.

The poll just shows the what and does not address the why. I think the what, by itself, is interesting.

NBC does speculate about the why, however, assuming that more information is the why.

BTW, I stole the quote from Arthur Schopenhauer from the following link, which I include for completeness.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/confirmation-biases

Now you all should be ready for your morning nap.

Cameron wrote:Does Trapper love the MSM as much as Bob hates it? More?

You know I use multiple sources, but not as some suggest, from any social media feed other than this board. All links I post here are because I chose to open the media source from my browser, typically using a bookmark.

I do not subscribe to any of them, nor have I ever had a Facebook or other (other than this board & TOB) ID, including twitter or YouTube. I may be the least internet connected poster on here.

I do, when others post links which interest me, follow up to determine who owns the links and what their biases are, something I strongly recommend you all do, too, so you have some rational for your interpretation of the information posted by those sources.

All that to make sure you get a good nap.

Trapper Gus wrote:One further comment on if I was looking for a source which vindicated the traditional MSM, as per the following quote.

In 1818’s Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung, the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer distills this to a single sentence: “An adopted hypothesis gives us lynx-eyes for everything that confirms it and makes us blind to everything that contradicts it.”

I may have been, but my feelings are I was not.  I read Ms. Cox regularly, as some will know, and the quote I used was two paragraphs at the end of her posting about something else.  I am interested in how the media affects the opinions of people, but never expected that people who read traditional media would have such a Biden bias, and yes, because of that, and because of those on this board who keep attacking people who try to stay informed by gaslighting them, I am sensitive to information of this sort.

Since it was a poll conducted for NBC News, knowing the NBC News has the money and ethics to try to report accurately, it seemed as though it would be a solid factoid, and fit into the ongoing across a number of threads, conflict about sourcing and opinions on this board, thus I started the thread.

So yes, my bias to find interesting & seemingly valid data on how people are biased by their sources for the ongoing board debate sensitized me to this, however the idea that traditional media consumers are leaning to Biden was not, IMO, part of that sensitivity, but just the result of what NBC had polled.  

The poll just shows the what and does not address the why.  I think the what, by itself, is interesting.

NBC does speculate about the why, however, assuming that more information is the why.

BTW, I stole the quote from Arthur Schopenhauer from the following link, which I include for completeness.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/confirmation-biases

Now you all should be ready for your morning nap.

I just read two of her books, How the South Won the Civil War and Democracy Awakening. Enjoyed both, but the latter was rather broad and aimed at a broader audience. I had to unsubscribe from her daily emails because I couldn’t keep up and would get days behind. Anyway, that’s all I have. Thank you for reading.

Turtleneck wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:One further comment on if I was looking for a source which vindicated the traditional MSM, as per the following quote.



I may have been, but my feelings are I was not.  I read Ms. Cox regularly, as some will know, and the quote I used was two paragraphs at the end of her posting about something else.  I am interested in how the media affects the opinions of people, but never expected that people who read traditional media would have such a Biden bias, and yes, because of that, and because of those on this board who keep attacking people who try to stay informed by gaslighting them, I am sensitive to information of this sort.

Since it was a poll conducted for NBC News, knowing the NBC News has the money and ethics to try to report accurately, it seemed as though it would be a solid factoid, and fit into the ongoing across a number of threads, conflict about sourcing and opinions on this board, thus I started the thread.

So yes, my bias to find interesting & seemingly valid data on how people are biased by their sources for the ongoing board debate sensitized me to this, however the idea that traditional media consumers are leaning to Biden was not, IMO, part of that sensitivity, but just the result of what NBC had polled.  

The poll just shows the what and does not address the why.  I think the what, by itself, is interesting.

NBC does speculate about the why, however, assuming that more information is the why.

BTW, I stole the quote from Arthur Schopenhauer from the following link, which I include for completeness.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/confirmation-biases

Now you all should be ready for your morning nap.

I just read two of her books, How the South Won the Civil War and Democracy Awakening. Enjoyed both, but the latter was rather broad and aimed at a broader audience. I had to unsubscribe from her daily emails because I couldn’t keep up and would get days behind. Anyway, that’s all I have. Thank you for reading.

I think she is pretty liberally biased in her daily blogs, and backs that bias up with interesting historical situations, but to be clear, I have her substack address in my browser, as I said.  I read her when I want to, not because of an email.

Is she popular in the engineering community?

Turtleneck wrote:Is she popular in the engineering community?

Engineers are predominantly conservative, but I've never asked.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:Does Trapper love the MSM as much as Bob hates it? More?

You know I use multiple sources, but not as some suggest, from any social media feed other than this board.  All links I post here are because I chose to open the media source from my browser, typically using a bookmark.  

I do not subscribe to any of them, nor have I ever had a Facebook or other (other than this board & TOB) ID, including twitter or YouTube.  I may be the least internet connected poster on here.

I do, when others post links which interest me, follow up to determine who owns the links and what their biases are, something I strongly recommend you all do, too, so you have some rational for your interpretation of the information posted by those sources.

All that to make sure you get a good nap.

To engage with the topic of the thread at least a little, I will note that portraying it as a dichotomy of Mainstream Media vs. Everything Else is reductive to the point of absurdity. There are so many sources of information outside of the Mainstream Media that vary so wildly in quality, it is impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from that distinction alone.

But you act as though any criticism of Biden is Russian/Chinese influenced TikTok brain, and that is fucking asinine. If only we all had such a perfectly curated media diet as you, then we would all see how perfect Ol' Joe really is.

I do find it interesting that your lodestar seems to be "supports Joe Biden," as though that single metric is by itself determinative of whether or not one is falling victim to social media disinformation. This is not a sophisticated or nuanced way to view things, despite what you may think of yourself.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You know I use multiple sources, but not as some suggest, from any social media feed other than this board.  All links I post here are because I chose to open the media source from my browser, typically using a bookmark.  

I do not subscribe to any of them, nor have I ever had a Facebook or other (other than this board & TOB) ID, including twitter or YouTube.  I may be the least internet connected poster on here.

I do, when others post links which interest me, follow up to determine who owns the links and what their biases are, something I strongly recommend you all do, too, so you have some rational for your interpretation of the information posted by those sources.

All that to make sure you get a good nap.

To engage with the topic of the thread at least a little, I will note that portraying it as a dichotomy of Mainstream Media vs. Everything Else is reductive to the point of absurdity. There are so many sources of information outside of the Mainstream Media that vary so wildly in quality, it is impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from that distinction alone.

But you act as though any criticism of Biden is Russian/Chinese influenced TikTok brain, and that is fucking asinine. If only we all had such a perfectly curated media diet as you, then we would all see how perfect Ol' Joe really is.

I do find it interesting that your lodestar seems to be "supports Joe Biden," as though that single metric is by itself determinative of whether or not one is falling victim to social media disinformation. This is not a sophisticated or nuanced way to view things, despite what you may think of yourself.

If democrats lose, this incredibly stupid arrogance will be why.

Anyway yeah do do you think that the guy who loves Biden, agrees with nearly every single thing he does, get mad at anyone who shows anything other than being 100% in lock step with biden, is under some kind of propaganda influence? Or do you think that the people that agree with Biden sometimes but not others based on their long standing positions are the ones being influenced?

Anyway who cares. I saw a TikTok today of golf tips, some funny ones about toddlers, and made salsa verde based on a recipe I saw there. It was really good. Still nothing about politics, but I know that they’re getting the brain worms in there somehow because I don’t love Biden unequivocally so there’s something wrong.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You know I use multiple sources, but not as some suggest, from any social media feed other than this board.  All links I post here are because I chose to open the media source from my browser, typically using a bookmark.  

I do not subscribe to any of them, nor have I ever had a Facebook or other (other than this board & TOB) ID, including twitter or YouTube.  I may be the least internet connected poster on here.

I do, when others post links which interest me, follow up to determine who owns the links and what their biases are, something I strongly recommend you all do, too, so you have some rational for your interpretation of the information posted by those sources.

All that to make sure you get a good nap.

To engage with the topic of the thread at least a little, I will note that portraying it as a dichotomy of Mainstream Media vs. Everything Else is reductive to the point of absurdity. There are so many sources of information outside of the Mainstream Media that vary so wildly in quality, it is impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from that distinction alone.

But you act as though any criticism of Biden is Russian/Chinese influenced TikTok brain, and that is fucking asinine. If only we all had such a perfectly curated media diet as you, then we would all see how perfect Ol' Joe really is.

I do find it interesting that your lodestar seems to be "supports Joe Biden," as though that single metric is by itself determinative of whether or not one is falling victim to social media disinformation. This is not a sophisticated or nuanced way to view things, despite what you may think of yourself.

I have followed up on some of your sources, when I could, to see what they were about, and some of them seemed okay.

I make no excuses for supporting only Democratics, since the only other viable choice, Republicans, have become since my childhood, against what I consider the bedrock values of the United States.

I'm not going to look at the data that is manipulated by those who benefit from the manipulation of the data..

but I'd be willing to bet that the most grounded, rational, logical people in the United States are the ones who spend the least amount of time watching the pointy-headed elitists on the mainstream media and in their sycophantic social media bubbles.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

I just read two of her books, How the South Won the Civil War and Democracy Awakening. Enjoyed both, but the latter was rather broad and aimed at a broader audience. I had to unsubscribe from her daily emails because I couldn’t keep up and would get days behind. Anyway, that’s all I have. Thank you for reading.

I think she is pretty liberally biased in her daily blogs, and backs that bias up with interesting historical situations, but to be clear, I have her substack address in my browser, as I said.  I read her when I want to, not because of an email.

What was the point of the comment, Trapper? We were reading the same Substack content. I simply subscribed rather than making a point of visiting the page. I enjoyed the content during COVID and knew I would forget to visit, so subscribing made sense.

She does have a bias but the How the South Won the Civil War book is also historically accurate, and her discussion of the role westward expansion played in sustaining oligarchy is very interesting.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Everyone shut up the smartest guy in the room started a thread make sure you look upon it with gazed awe. He’s so smart you guys and you should just listen to him in thread after thread after thread where he imparts his wisdom upon you. Consider yourself lucky to have encountered such a celestial being as this one.

putting aside your and trapper's little slap fight, do you think we don't have a problem with (probably more than) half the country believing false information, false news, believing that the USA is in a deep economic hole? Hate biden all you want but it is clear that the economy isn't all that bad right now. We avoided what everyone was saying would be a recession and are keeping unemployment pretty low. Sure, inflation is still a thing but nothing is perfect. We are not quite as the right wing media depicts us, a smoldering wasteland of homeless drugged out fools sucking on the government teet.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Cameron wrote:

To engage with the topic of the thread at least a little, I will note that portraying it as a dichotomy of Mainstream Media vs. Everything Else is reductive to the point of absurdity. There are so many sources of information outside of the Mainstream Media that vary so wildly in quality, it is impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from that distinction alone.

But you act as though any criticism of Biden is Russian/Chinese influenced TikTok brain, and that is fucking asinine. If only we all had such a perfectly curated media diet as you, then we would all see how perfect Ol' Joe really is.

I do find it interesting that your lodestar seems to be "supports Joe Biden," as though that single metric is by itself determinative of whether or not one is falling victim to social media disinformation. This is not a sophisticated or nuanced way to view things, despite what you may think of yourself.

If democrats lose, this incredibly stupid arrogance will be why.

Anyway yeah do do you think that the guy who loves Biden, agrees with nearly every single thing he does, get mad at anyone who shows anything other than being 100% in lock step with biden, is under some kind of propaganda influence? Or do you think that the people that agree with Biden sometimes but not others based on their long standing positions are the ones being influenced?

Anyway who cares. I saw a TikTok today of golf tips, some funny ones about toddlers, and made salsa verde based on a recipe I saw there. It was really good. Still nothing about politics, but I know that they’re getting the brain worms in there somehow because I don’t love Biden unequivocally so there’s something wrong.

I don't really see Trapper that often getting emotional here at all, let alone getting mad.  It mostly seems like you and a couple others getting mad at trapper for bringing notes or ways of thinking to the board different from your own.  You constantly and belligerently counter Trappers rhetoric with emotional arguments and he counters that emotion with more sources depicting his side of the argument.  Granted he uses some dubious sourcing from blogs, etc., occasionally.  But he has the stronger arguments here Generally.  If it makes you that emotional or that mad, how about just don't read it?  Or better yet, counter it with actual facts. I do enjoy the occasional jab about walls of text and smartest guy in the room, ...very occasional, so don't disappear completely or this will be a board of trapper posting things and nothing else.

Turtleneck wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:


I think she is pretty liberally biased in her daily blogs, and backs that bias up with interesting historical situations, but to be clear, I have her substack address in my browser, as I said.  I read her when I want to, not because of an email.

What was the point of the comment, Trapper? We were reading the same Substack content. I simply subscribed rather than making a point of visiting the page. I enjoyed the content during COVID and knew I would forget to visit, so subscribing made sense.

She does have a bias but the How the South Won the Civil War book is also historically accurate, and her discussion of the role westward expansion played in sustaining oligarchy is very interesting.

The point was he wants you to know he has a very high opinion of himself. He also wants you to know that even though you consume the same media he feels he is of more value on the subject than you are. It’s his way of letting you know he feels he's better than you.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

If democrats lose, this incredibly stupid arrogance will be why.

Anyway yeah do do you think that the guy who loves Biden, agrees with nearly every single thing he does, get mad at anyone who shows anything other than being 100% in lock step with biden, is under some kind of propaganda influence? Or do you think that the people that agree with Biden sometimes but not others based on their long standing positions are the ones being influenced?

Anyway who cares. I saw a TikTok today of golf tips, some funny ones about toddlers, and made salsa verde based on a recipe I saw there. It was really good. Still nothing about politics, but I know that they’re getting the brain worms in there somehow because I don’t love Biden unequivocally so there’s something wrong.

I don't really see Trapper that often getting emotional here at all, let alone getting mad.  It mostly seems like you and a couple others getting mad at trapper for bringing notes or ways of thinking to the board different from your own.  You constantly and belligerently counter Trappers rhetoric with emotional arguments and he counters that emotion with more sources depicting his side of the argument.  Granted he uses some dubious sourcing from blogs, etc., occasionally.  But he has the stronger arguments here Generally.  If it makes you that emotional or that mad, how about just don't read it?  Or better yet, counter it with actual facts. I do enjoy the occasional jab about walls of text and smartest guy in the room, ...very occasional, so don't disappear completely or this will be a board of trapper posting things and nothing else.

Trust me. You’re wrong. Very very wrong. But I’m sure it’s everyone else who have the same opinion on the subjects, misinterpretation . Just because people don’t get emotional or verbally aggressive doesn’t mean they don’t feel the same way. Ya know, we just don’t understand the advanced mind of an engineer. It’s probably on us.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm not going to look at the data that is manipulated by those who benefit from the manipulation of the data..

but I'd be willing to bet that the most grounded, rational, logical people in the United States are the ones who spend the least amount of time watching the pointy-headed elitists on the mainstream media and in their sycophantic social media bubbles.

Well Bob, according to this poll they support Trump overwhelmingly.

Turtleneck wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:


I think she is pretty liberally biased in her daily blogs, and backs that bias up with interesting historical situations, but to be clear, I have her substack address in my browser, as I said.  I read her when I want to, not because of an email.

What was the point of the comment, Trapper? We were reading the same Substack content. I simply subscribed rather than making a point of visiting the page. I enjoyed the content during COVID and knew I would forget to visit, so subscribing made sense.

She does have a bias but the How the South Won the Civil War book is also historically accurate, and her discussion of the role westward expansion played in sustaining oligarchy is very interesting.

Not really addressed at you, I am sensitive to the critics who accused me of being lead by the nose by liberal feeds into my email.

kingstonlake wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

What was the point of the comment, Trapper? We were reading the same Substack content. I simply subscribed rather than making a point of visiting the page. I enjoyed the content during COVID and knew I would forget to visit, so subscribing made sense.

She does have a bias but the How the South Won the Civil War book is also historically accurate, and her discussion of the role westward expansion played in sustaining oligarchy is very interesting.

The point was he wants you to know he has a very high opinion of himself. He also wants you to know that even though you consume the same media he feels he is of more value on the subject than you are. It’s his way of letting you know he feels he's better than you.

Good Grief.  I present the facts I find, which have nothing to do with my inferiority complex, which btw is much bigger than any of yours. Why do you think I insist on facts?  It isn't because I am sure of myself, quite the opposite.  Did any of you take psychology 101? /s

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm not going to look at the data that is manipulated by those who benefit from the manipulation of the data..

but I'd be willing to bet that the most grounded, rational, logical people in the United States are the ones who spend the least amount of time watching the pointy-headed elitists on the mainstream media and in their sycophantic social media bubbles.

Well Bob, according to this poll they support Trump overwhelmingly.

and I stay away from polls, too.

kingstonlake wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

I don't really see Trapper that often getting emotional here at all, let alone getting mad.  It mostly seems like you and a couple others getting mad at trapper for bringing notes or ways of thinking to the board different from your own.  You constantly and belligerently counter Trappers rhetoric with emotional arguments and he counters that emotion with more sources depicting his side of the argument.  Granted he uses some dubious sourcing from blogs, etc., occasionally.  But he has the stronger arguments here Generally.  If it makes you that emotional or that mad, how about just don't read it?  Or better yet, counter it with actual facts. I do enjoy the occasional jab about walls of text and smartest guy in the room, ...very occasional, so don't disappear completely or this will be a board of trapper posting things and nothing else.

Trust me. You’re wrong. Very very wrong. But I’m sure it’s everyone else who have the same opinion on the subjects, misinterpretation . Just because people don’t get emotional or verbally aggressive doesn’t mean they don’t feel the same way. Ya know, we just don’t understand the advanced mind of an engineer. It’s probably on us.

I don't think you understood what i was saying. but It does sound like you're bringing emotion to the table like the others.

So is it that the people who read newspapers support Biden because of what they read, or is it the people that support Biden read newspapers?

Meanwhile, Google et al are teaching people how to be aware of online propaganda methods...

We’re all at risk of manipulation online. Can you spot the signs?

Trapper Gus wrote:So is it that the people who read newspapers support Biden because of what they read, or is it the people that support Biden read newspapers?

I suspect that support for Biden begins with people who can read.

Trapper Gus wrote:Meanwhile, Google et al are teaching people how to be aware of online propaganda methods...

We’re all at risk of manipulation online. Can you spot the signs?

My god, that's just simpleton basic logic.   Kids used to be taught to think for themselves in school.   Now Google has kindergarten level videos about it??!!