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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-13, 01:57

MiamiSpartan wrote:Wow, what a game. But OSU screwed the pooch on clock management at the end.


Ryan Day is suspect. As is his painted beard.
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Post by Nordic 2024-10-13, 10:59

That was an entertaining day of football. PSU/USC, OSU/Ore, Bama/SC, LSU/Ole Miss and Co/KState all coming down the final possessions.
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Post by DWags 2024-10-13, 14:51

Big Ten has the #2, #3, and #4 team in the in this week's AP. Oregon, PSU, OSU.

We also have Illinois and Indiana and Michigan in the top 25. I anticipate at least 2 of those 3 to be out of the top 25 at the end of the year.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-10-13, 15:00

DWags wrote:Big Ten has the #2, #3, and #4 team in the in this week's AP. Oregon, PSU, OSU.

We also have Illinois and Indiana and Michigan in the top 25. I anticipate at least 2 of those 3 to be out of the top 25 at the end of the year.
Yeah, After we win the next 5 strait they need to make room for us....
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Post by DWags 2024-10-13, 15:06

Thoughts on Kirby Smart here?

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Post by gomersbro 2024-10-13, 16:15

DWags wrote:Thoughts on Kirby Smart here?

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That's not very smart.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-10-13, 16:44

DWags wrote:Thoughts on Kirby Smart here?

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Woody Hayes should be fired.
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Post by Turtleneck 2024-10-13, 17:03

What was that all about? Yeah, that is a suspension...unless it happens in Ann Arbor. If it happens in Ann Arbor you charge that QB with a bunch of felonies (and announce the charges the day before a major national holiday).
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-13, 17:20

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
DWags wrote:Thoughts on Kirby Smart here?

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Woody Hayes should be fired.



My first thought.
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Post by Turtleneck 2024-10-14, 08:46

tGreenWay wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Woody Hayes should be fired.





My first thought.

Congratulations! We knew it would happen for you some day.
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Post by NigelUno 2024-10-14, 09:16

DWags wrote:Thoughts on Kirby Smart here?

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Kirby is frustrated. Had another player arrested last week. Brutal stretch of Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, and Tennessee coming up.
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Post by DWags 2024-10-14, 09:24

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:Thoughts on Kirby Smart here?

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Kirby is frustrated. Had another player arrested last week. Brutal stretch of Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, and Tennessee coming up.


I'm surprised we aren't hearing anythig regarding this. Georgia is doing a great job of "Lets ignore it and it will go away."
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Post by NigelUno 2024-10-14, 09:32

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Kirby is frustrated. Had another player arrested last week. Brutal stretch of Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, and Tennessee coming up.


I'm surprised we aren't hearing anythig regarding this. Georgia is doing a great job of "Lets ignore it and it will go away."

That seems to be their strategy for most (or all) of their off field problems.

Whatever discipline they're using, isn't working.

Maybe a byproduct of NIL influence. Players think they can do what they want with no consequences.

Losing will increase scrutiny, and if they lose to Texas and Tennessee (or Florida), they should/could miss the CFP. That won't go over well.
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Post by DWags 2024-10-14, 09:34

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:


I'm surprised we aren't hearing anythig regarding this. Georgia is doing a great job of "Lets ignore it and it will go away."

That seems to be their strategy for most (or all) of their off field problems.

Whatever discipline they're using, isn't working.

Maybe a byproduct of NIL influence. Players think they can do what they want with no consequences.

Losing will increase scrutiny, and if they lose to Texas and Tennessee (or Florida), they should/could miss the CFP. That won't go over well.


Hate to see it.
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-14, 16:57

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:





My first thought.

Congratulations! We knew it would happen for you some day.



Not surprised by your comment. Disappointed that was the best you could do 15 hours after my post. #bebest
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-14, 17:42

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Kirby is frustrated. Had another player arrested last week. Brutal stretch of Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, and Tennessee coming up.


I'm surprised we aren't hearing anythig regarding this. Georgia is doing a great job of "Lets ignore it and it will go away."




And that’s a wrap on any potential controversy or discipline.

https://footballscoop.com/news/kirby-smart-addresses-sideline-shoving-incident-vs-mississippi-state-qb-michael-van-buren
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Post by GRR Spartan 2024-10-14, 18:34

I think the too many players on the field on the defense rule will be changed for the 2025 season.

Currently the flag is thrown but any time that’s run off during the play isn’t restored.
So the defense burns time off the clock (4-7 seconds) and it costs them a 5 yd penalty.

New rule offense isn’t losing time of possession because the clock is restored to when the flagged play began and the defense gives away 5 yards.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-10-14, 20:20

GRR Spartan wrote:I think the too many players on the field on the defense rule will be changed for the 2025 season.

Currently the flag is thrown but any time that’s run off during the play isn’t restored.
So the defense burns time off the clock (4-7 seconds) and it costs them a 5 yd penalty.

New rule offense isn’t losing time of possession because the clock is restored to when the flagged play began and the defense gives away 5 yards.
You can really only do that if you make it a dead ball foul and whistle the play dead at the snap.  Which they could, like how offside is whistled dead if a player is unimpeded to the QB at the snap.

This is a good time to remind everyone of Michigan's too many men penalty on the final drive in 2001. Because it's always a good time to remember.  Yes, we lost the time that the play took, which was right.  But then the clock didn't stop with a flag on the play and we had to call a timeout 3 seconds after the play ended.  We didn't get those 3 seconds back, nor did we get the timeout back.  Oh, and the refs also marked off the penalty from the result of the play...which was a sick, so we lost yardage on the UM penalty, too.  Up there with Nebraska's 5th down as one of the single biggest officiating flubs in decades.  But dipshits gonna cry to this day about whether the ball was spiked before or after :01 became :00.
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Post by Nordic 2024-10-14, 22:59

tGreenWay wrote:
DWags wrote:


I'm surprised we aren't hearing anythig regarding this.  Georgia is doing a great job of "Lets ignore it and it will go away."  




And that’s a wrap on any potential controversy or discipline.

https://footballscoop.com/news/kirby-smart-addresses-sideline-shoving-incident-vs-mississippi-state-qb-michael-van-buren


I don’t doubt the explanation. It clearly didn’t look intentional. But it is an excuse and there is no excuse for pushing an opposing player. Period. Control yourself. I don’t want his head, but he should be punished some manner. Hefty fine or game suspension.
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Post by GRR Spartan 2024-10-15, 22:27

MiamiSpartan wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:I think the too many players on the field on the defense rule will be changed for the 2025 season.

Currently the flag is thrown but any time that’s run off during the play isn’t restored.
So the defense burns time off the clock (4-7 seconds) and it costs them a 5 yd penalty.

New rule offense isn’t losing time of possession because the clock is restored to when the flagged play began and the defense gives away 5 yards.
You can really only do that if you make it a dead ball foul and whistle the play dead at the snap.  Which they could, like how offside is whistled dead if a player is unimpeded to the QB at the snap.

This is a good time to remind everyone of Michigan's too many men penalty on the final drive in 2001.  Because it's always a good time to remember.  Yes, we lost the time that the play took, which was right.  But then the clock didn't stop with a flag on the play and we had to call a timeout 3 seconds after the play ended.  We didn't get those 3 seconds back, nor did we get the timeout back.  Oh, and the refs also marked off the penalty from the result of the play...which was a sick, so we lost yardage on the UM penalty, too.  Up there with Nebraska's 5th down as one of the single biggest officiating flubs in decades.  But dipshits gonna cry to this day about whether the ball was spiked before or after :01 became :00.

And then, after Oregon’s Dan Lanning’s presser where he said the 12 men was intentional, there was this:

Lanning’s genius prompts mid-season rule change
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Post by Nordic 2024-10-16, 19:19

NCAA rules committee has put the kibosh on Lanning’s little trick. Guess they are good for something…

“After the Two-Minute Timeout in either half, if the defense commits a substitution foul and 12 or more players are on the field and participate in a down, officials will penalize the defense for the foul and at the option of the offended team, reset the game clock back to the time displayed at the snap,” the guidance said.
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-16, 19:22

It’s not like the scenario shows that often, but Lanning should’ve kept his trap shut instead being wink wink coy wink wink.
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Post by DWags 2024-10-16, 20:35

Nordic wrote:NCAA rules committee has put the kibosh on Lanning’s little trick. Guess they are good for something…

“After the Two-Minute Timeout in either half, if the defense commits a substitution foul and 12 or more players are on the field and participate in a down, officials will penalize the defense for the foul and at the option of the offended team, reset the game clock back to the time displayed at the snap,” the guidance said.



It’s no different than when many of us taught and were taught to take a 15 yard interference penalty than getting beat for 40 plus in the air. Is it rare you’d tackle someone who juked you and was running open with ball in air so you’re desperate? Sure. Does it happen? Yep. You exploit a rule.
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Post by GRR Spartan 2024-10-16, 21:37

I thought the rule would be changed but was quicker than expected.

It was a Heads I win / Tails you lose rule for the defense before the change. A defense could make an "error" or two when the offense was at the 50 or further back to keep the offense out of FG range.

Don't blame Lanning for taking advantage of the existing rule.

As DWags mentioned, pass defense in college is 15 yards or spot of the foul if its less than 15 yards. So if you are getting beat long, better to interfere.

We now have a two minute time in the 2nd and 4th quarter like the NFL's Two Minute Warning. Won't be surprised to see the NCAA move to the NFL rule for pass interference in the next 2-3 years too.
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-16, 22:50

DWags wrote:
Nordic wrote:NCAA rules committee has put the kibosh on Lanning’s little trick. Guess they are good for something…

“After the Two-Minute Timeout in either half, if the defense commits a substitution foul and 12 or more players are on the field and participate in a down, officials will penalize the defense for the foul and at the option of the offended team, reset the game clock back to the time displayed at the snap,” the guidance said.



It’s no different than when many of us taught and were taught to take a 15 yard interference penalty than getting beat for 40 plus in the air. Is it rare you’d tackle someone who juked you and was running open with ball in air so you’re desperate? Sure. Does it happen? Yep. You exploit a rule.


Yep, that’s been talked about by broadcast teams for years. It’s a last chance strategic move, and it’s not like intentionally fouling is exclusive to football.
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-17, 00:28

The one that bugs me the most, and I know it’s perfectly legal and makes complete sense strategically, is letting your opponent score a TD just to get the ball back quicker. Letting the ball carrier run right by would make my brain twitch.
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Post by kingstonlake 2024-10-17, 06:12

tGreenWay wrote:The one that bugs me the most, and I know it’s perfectly legal and makes complete sense strategically, is letting your opponent score a TD just to get the ball back quicker. Letting the ball carrier run right by would make my brain twitch.

I’ve never understood “half the distance” penalties. If you commit a personal foul on your own 14 then put the ball on the one yard line, not the 7.
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-17, 08:17

kingstonlake wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:The one that bugs me the most, and I know it’s perfectly legal and makes complete sense strategically, is letting your opponent score a TD just to get the ball back quicker. Letting the ball carrier run right by would make my brain twitch.

I’ve never understood “half the distance” penalties. If you commit a personal foul on your own 14 then put the ball on the one yard line, not the 7.



It would be a mistake to have me explain it to you. Knowing even less than you, I’d only leave you more confused, as usual.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2024-10-19, 12:18

Continuing the proud tradition of ex MSU quarterbacks starting for other teams 🫡

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Post by DWags 2024-10-19, 12:28

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Continuing the proud tradition of ex MSU quarterbacks starting for other teams 🫡

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Army might make the playoffs. They don’t suck.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-10-19, 14:58

Miami's defense is not good.  Not good enough to be a serious contender.  3rd game in a row struggling against unranked opponents.

They probably won't face a ranked team until the ACC title game if they make it there.

Louisville has a good offense, but Miami's poor/soft tackling reminds me of the spread teams of 20 years ago.
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Post by DWags 2024-10-19, 15:21

kingstonlake wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:The one that bugs me the most, and I know it’s perfectly legal and makes complete sense strategically, is letting your opponent score a TD just to get the ball back quicker. Letting the ball carrier run right by would make my brain twitch.

I’ve never understood “half the distance” penalties. If you commit a personal foul on your own 14 then put the ball on the one yard line, not the 7.



Also, why can’t the ground cause a fumble?
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Post by Heat Miser 2024-10-19, 15:28

DWags wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:The one that bugs me the most, and I know it’s perfectly legal and makes complete sense strategically, is letting your opponent score a TD just to get the ball back quicker. Letting the ball carrier run right by would make my brain twitch.

I’ve never understood “half the distance” penalties. If you commit a personal foul on your own 14 then put the ball on the one yard line, not the 7.

Also, why can’t the ground cause a fumble?

The ground can cause an incompletion. Why not a fumble?
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2024-10-19, 15:43

I don't like our chances of hanging onto the Brass Spittoon this year.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2024-10-19, 16:15

Heat Miser wrote:
DWags wrote:

Also, why can’t the ground cause a fumble?

The ground can cause an incompletion. Why not a fumble?
That one makes sense to me, because if you have possession then you're down when you hit the ground. At least in college. The only way you wouldn't be down is if you are carrying the ball in one hand and use that to brace yourself and keep from falling and the ball pops out.

Which I think happened to Bryan Hoyer maybe against UM? I don't even remember how they ruled that, however.
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-19, 16:27

DWags wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Continuing the proud tradition of ex MSU quarterbacks starting for other teams 🫡

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Army might make the playoffs. They don’t suck.



Houser’s stats looked good in a losing cause. 24/39 282 yds averaging just over 7 ypc. 3TDs, I INT.
I wish him well. He’s right where he needs to be.
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2024-10-19, 16:38

Uhhh, these Illinois uniforms have redefined ass.
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Post by DWags 2024-10-19, 16:40

tGreenWay wrote:
DWags wrote:




Army might make the playoffs. They don’t suck.



Houser’s stats looked good in a losing cause. 24/39 282 yds averaging just over 7 ypc. 3TDs, I INT.
I wish him well. He’s right where he needs to be.



I don’t think any transfer recently deserves to be run down. All those kids knew the ship was sinking. I can’t think of any of them being an ass. All seemed like nice kids.
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2024-10-19, 18:25

Holy crap some official just tried to give u of m an extra 4 yards on a spot. 2024 General College Football Thread  - Page 5 502811600
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Post by tGreenWay 2024-10-19, 18:56

Floyd Robertson wrote:Uhhh, these Illinois uniforms have redefined ass.


Just a massive failure to capture the old timey uniforms. And those lesther helmet lookalikes look so freaking stupid. They needed to have a multidimensional appearance. Instead, they looked like plain old stickers.
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