Re: Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-07-22, 15:28

Rick Saunders wrote:Joe Biden was a good president. I like Joe Biden. I voted for Joe Biden (more than once). I would have voted for Joe Biden.

Joe Biden never overcame (and never could) overcome his own 2019/2020 campaign. The biggest general knock on Joe Biden in 2019/2020 (in the Democratic primary season) was that he was too old. He was able to sell his experience especially with old school politics and convinced the electorate that he was the one who could beat Trump. He helped his case along in 2020 by saying he would be a bridge or transition president and in so doing acknowledged that he would be too old in 2024.

If it was true four years ago there's no getting around that was true in 2024. Most people believed he was too old in 2020 but held their nose.

It was a good deal. Biden won and he did an excellent job.

The force love ya Trapper but when you were saying "four more years" all I could ask myself is what you meant. If I could have four more years of 2022 Joe Biden I would totally take that but that was never even going to be on the ballot.

Who's fault? DWags has it right, I think. Everybody. Joe, DNC, elected leaders in the party, electorate.

So I guess I'm off the Biden train and standing on the platform (not a bad metaphor, I guess). I'd personally like to have a voice in the choice of trains but like most here I will gladly take the Harris if that's what is offered.

Nonetheless, my weak voice will still keep asking for/suggesting a serious overhaul of our primary and general election voting methodology and timing.

I will continue to say that everyone calling Biden "too old" is an age hating idiot.

He has more on the ball than anyone on here or any other politician.

You guys have been hoodwinked by the MSM doing what the billionaire donors wanted to avoid taxes you you are too ashamed to admit it.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 15:30

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

I just sent my $200 bucks to Kamala, I’ll also change the title. Do I get my $ back from Joe? I’m assuming it’s all transferable. If so, it’s the most I’ve ever donated to a presidential election.

We can do this.
Glad to see you’re onboard.

Unlike you I was always on board. This election was always about saving democracy in America That you couldn’t grass that point is not a surprise to me.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 15:41

DWags wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Glad to see you’re onboard.

Unlike you I was always on board. This election was always about saving democracy in America That you couldn’t grass that point is not a surprise to me.

The only one who thought I wasn’t on board was you. Not sure where you got that idea.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 15:44

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

Unlike you I was always on board. This election was always about saving democracy in America That you couldn’t grass that point is not a surprise to me.
The only one who thought I wasn’t on board was you. Not sure where you got that idea.

Oh, I think it’s way more than you not being on board. I always have. My opinion, you as much of a democrati as Manchin.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 15:45

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

Unlike you I was always on board. This election was always about saving democracy in America That you couldn’t grass that point is not a surprise to me.
The only one who thought I wasn’t on board was you. Not sure where you got that idea.

Oh, I think it’s way more than you not being on board. I always have. My opinion, you as much of a democrati as Manchin.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 15:46

Trapper Gus wrote:
Rick Saunders wrote:Joe Biden was a good president. I like Joe Biden. I voted for Joe Biden (more than once). I would have voted for Joe Biden.

Joe Biden never overcame (and never could) overcome his own 2019/2020 campaign. The biggest general knock on Joe Biden in 2019/2020 (in the Democratic primary season) was that he was too old. He was able to sell his experience especially with old school politics and convinced the electorate that he was the one who could beat Trump. He helped his case along in 2020 by saying he would be a bridge or transition president and in so doing acknowledged that he would be too old in 2024.

If it was true four years ago there's no getting around that was true in 2024. Most people believed he was too old in 2020 but held their nose.

It was a good deal. Biden won and he did an excellent job.

The force love ya Trapper but when you were saying "four more years" all I could ask myself is what you meant. If I could have four more years of 2022 Joe Biden I would totally take that but that was never even going to be on the ballot.

Who's fault? DWags has it right, I think. Everybody. Joe, DNC, elected leaders in the party, electorate.

So I guess I'm off the Biden train and standing on the platform (not a bad metaphor, I guess). I'd personally like to have a voice in the choice of trains but like most here I will gladly take the Harris if that's what is offered.

Nonetheless, my weak voice will still keep asking for/suggesting a serious overhaul of our primary and general election voting methodology and timing.

I will continue to say that everyone calling Biden "too old" is an age hating idiot.

He has more on the ball than anyone on here or any other politician.

You guys have been hoodwinked by the MSM doing what the billionaire donors wanted to avoid taxes you you are too ashamed to admit it.

The good ship Biden has sailed. It’s time climb aboard this new cruise to victory. As VP, Kamala will complement Joe quite well.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 15:48

DWags wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
The only one who thought I wasn’t on board was you. Not sure where you got that idea.

Oh, I think it’s way more than you not being on board. I always have. My opinion, you as much of a democrati as Manchin.

I’m definitely a moderate Democrat. But I supported Joe from day one. Ever notice the thread I started about him?

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-07-22, 15:54

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I will continue to say that everyone calling Biden "too old" is an age hating idiot.

He has more on the ball than anyone on here or any other politician.

You guys have been hoodwinked by the MSM doing what the billionaire donors wanted to avoid taxes you you are too ashamed to admit it.
The good ship Biden has sailed. It’s time climb aboard this new cruise to victory. As VP, Kamala will complement Joe quite well.

Harris is only doing well because Biden lined up her support before dropping out.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 15:58

Trapper Gus wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
The good ship Biden has sailed. It’s time climb aboard this new cruise to victory. As VP, Kamala will complement Joe quite well.

Harris is only doing well because Biden lined up her support before dropping out.

That’s great. She supported him before he dropped out. That’s what I would expect.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-07-22, 16:32

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Harris is only doing well because Biden lined up her support before dropping out.
That’s great. She supported him before he dropped out. That’s what I would expect.

Not to make too fine a point on it, but as his Veep that was her job.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 16:34

Trapper Gus wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
That’s great. She supported him before he dropped out. That’s what I would expect.

Not to make too fine a point on it, but as his Veep that was her job.

And as President, it’s his job to support the whole party.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-07-22, 16:38

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Not to make too fine a point on it, but as his Veep that was her job.
And as President, it’s his job to support the whole party.

It is the Party's job to support him, too.

Good thing he isn't one of those sunshine party members like you.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 16:40

Trapper Gus wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
And as President, it’s his job to support the whole party.

It is the Party's job to support him, too.

Good thing he isn't one of those sunshine party members like you.

Sunshine? You’re still crying over Biden. Move on.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-07-22, 16:52

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

It is the Party's job to support him, too.

Good thing he isn't one of those sunshine party members like you.

Sunshine? You’re still crying over Biden. Move on.

Unlike you I always support the Democratic Party.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 17:06

Trapper Gus wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Sunshine? You’re still crying over Biden. Move on.

Unlike you I always support the Democratic Party.

Please give an example when I didn’t support the Democratic Party.

by **Cameron** 2024-07-22, 17:09

I will freely admit that I only support the Democrats when it suits me. Frankly, any other attitude towards a political party seems rather silly to me.

I didn't want another term of Biden, the Dems are no longer running Biden, now I currently fully support the Dems until they displease me again.

Leverage is a wonderful thing.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 17:20

Cameron wrote:I will freely admit that I only support the Democrats when it suits me. Frankly, any other attitude towards a political party seems rather silly to me.

I didn't want another term of Biden, the Dems are no longer running Biden, now I currently fully support the Dems until they displease me again.

Leverage is a wonderful thing.

There is a lot of that thinking out there, but I don’t understand it. It’s not likely you are ever going to find a candidate that matches perfectly with your ideas. It’s a two horse race, sometimes you’re just picking the lesser of two evils.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 17:25

Cameron wrote:I will freely admit that I only support the Democrats when it suits me. Frankly, any other attitude towards a political party seems rather silly to me.

I didn't want another term of Biden, the Dems are no longer running Biden, now I currently fully support the Dems until they displease me again.

Leverage is a wonderful thing.

Travis, come get your boy. Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this. - Page 13 502811600

Holy shit.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 17:28

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Unlike you I always support the Democratic Party.
Please give an example when I didn’t support the Democratic Party.

No way he just typed that sentence. No way he typed it read it and believed it.

But whatevs if your voting dem, cool.

I wonder if Manchin believes he never hurt the Party. But Penn, you are him in my eyes. Bullseye.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 17:30

DWags wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Please give an example when I didn’t support the Democratic Party.

No way he just typed that sentence. No way he typed it read it and believed it.

But whatevs if your voting dem, cool.

I wonder if Manchin believes he never hurt the Party. But Penn, you are him in my eyes. Bullseye.

Give me an example when I didn’t support Democrats.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 17:35

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

No way he just typed that sentence. No way he typed it read it and believed it.

But whatevs if your voting dem, cool.

I wonder if Manchin believes he never hurt the Party. But Penn, you are him in my eyes. Bullseye.
Give me an example when I didn’t support Democrats.

Is Joe Biden a Democrat?

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 17:38

DWags wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Give me an example when I didn’t support Democrats.

Is Joe Biden a Democrat?

Yeah. One that was about to lose. Thankfully you and Trapper aren’t in charge.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 17:39

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

Is Joe Biden a Democrat?
Yeah. One that was about to lose. Thankfully you and Trapper aren’t in charge.

Did you support him?

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 17:45

DWags wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Yeah. One that was about to lose. Thankfully you and Trapper aren’t in charge.

Did you support him?

I already explained this to you. I was the first on Wells to support him. I donated to him numerous times. And I only got nervous after the debate. He was going to lose. Most Democrats realized that. For some reason you can’t understand it. By the way, I called for Mel Tucker to be fired here the morning after the story broke. Caught some heat for that. Turns out it was the right decision. It didn’t mean I wasn’t a Spartan by calling for his firing.

by **Cameron** 2024-07-22, 17:50

DWags wrote:
Cameron wrote:I will freely admit that I only support the Democrats when it suits me. Frankly, any other attitude towards a political party seems rather silly to me.

I didn't want another term of Biden, the Dems are no longer running Biden, now I currently fully support the Dems until they displease me again.

Leverage is a wonderful thing.

Travis, come get your boy. Holy shit.

Seems like I'm getting exactly what I want and you are absolutely seething. Puts a big smile on my face.

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by **kingstonlake** 2024-07-22, 17:50

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

Is Joe Biden a Democrat?
Yeah. One that was about to lose. Thankfully you and Trapper aren’t in charge.

Is Fetterman a democrat? Wink

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 17:51

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

Did you support him?
I already explained this to you. I was the first on Wells to support him. I donated to him numerous times. And I only got nervous after the debate. He was going to lose. Most Democrats realized that. For some reason you can’t understand it. By the way, I called for Mel Tucker to be fired here the morning after the story broke. Caught some heat for that. Turns out it was the right decision. It didn’t mean I wasn’t a Spartan by calling for his firing.

And Trump donated to Harris. Like you, he gave a lot of shit to Biden. So call it what you want we all read what you parrot’ed here.

Good call on Tucker Penn. I was late to that party. Matter of fact I didnt hear about that Tucker stuff till a couple weeks after it broke. . You were on top of that.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 17:57

kingstonlake wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Yeah. One that was about to lose. Thankfully you and Trapper aren’t in charge.

Is Fetterman a democrat?

I honestly think he will turn Republican. His parents are. He’s been trending right. A lot of Progressives here aren’t too happy with him.

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 17:58

Cameron wrote:
DWags wrote:

Travis, come get your boy. Holy shit.

Seems like I'm getting exactly what I want and you are absolutely seething. Puts a big smile on my face.

er, em ok.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-07-22, 17:58

Some would argue that not supporting Biden running again is in fact supporting the party and that supporting Biden through it all despite obvious red flags is putting the individual above the party.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-07-22, 17:58

daughter sent me this picture from her neighborhood in Ferndale.. somebody got crafty with a Biden/Harris sign. Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this. - Page 13 502811600

Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this. - Page 13 Harris10

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-07-22, 17:59

DWags wrote:
Cameron wrote:I will freely admit that I only support the Democrats when it suits me. Frankly, any other attitude towards a political party seems rather silly to me.

I didn't want another term of Biden, the Dems are no longer running Biden, now I currently fully support the Dems until they displease me again.

Leverage is a wonderful thing.

Travis, come get your boy. Holy shit.

my goodness, I can't imagine living such a life of privilege and selfishness. Yikes, Cameron.

by PennSpartan 2024-07-22, 18:00

DWags wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
I already explained this to you. I was the first on Wells to support him. I donated to him numerous times. And I only got nervous after the debate. He was going to lose. Most Democrats realized that. For some reason you can’t understand it. By the way, I called for Mel Tucker to be fired here the morning after the story broke. Caught some heat for that. Turns out it was the right decision. It didn’t mean I wasn’t a Spartan by calling for his firing.

And Trump donated to Harris. Like you, he gave a lot of shit to Biden. So call it what you want we all read what you parrot’ed here.

Good call on Tucker Penn. I was late to that party. Matter of fact I didnt hear about that Tucker stuff till a couple weeks after it broke. . You were on top of that.

I won’t be here much longer, DWags. I’m not trying to piss you off. I only came back because of the debate. I’ll come back shortly for the election and then go away. Maybe I’ll have a beer with Joe!

by **Cameron** 2024-07-22, 18:07

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
DWags wrote:

Travis, come get your boy. Holy shit.
my goodness, I can't imagine living such a life of privilege and selfishness. Yikes, Cameron.

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"You don't unconditionally and unquestionably support the Democrats no matter what? My heavens, how monstrous!?"

I've never voted for a Republican, but there are lots of Democrats I could have voted for but didn't, so I'm probably not someone you would associate yourself with. Somehow, I don't think either of us is missing much...

by **DWags** 2024-07-22, 18:16

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags wrote:

And Trump donated to Harris. Like you, he gave a lot of shit to Biden. So call it what you want we all read what you parrot’ed here.

Good call on Tucker Penn. I was late to that party. Matter of fact I didnt hear about that Tucker stuff till a couple weeks after it broke. . You were on top of that.
I won’t be here much longer, DWags. I’m not trying to piss you off. I only came back because of the debate. I’ll come back shortly for the election and then go away. Maybe I’ll have a beer with Joe!

Manchin? Seems about right

by **Cameron** 2024-07-22, 18:33

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by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-07-22, 18:41

Cameron wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
my goodness, I can't imagine living such a life of privilege and selfishness. Yikes, Cameron.

"You don't unconditionally and unquestionably support the Democrats no matter what? My heavens, how monstrous!?"

I've never voted for a Republican, but there are lots of Democrats I could have voted for but didn't, so I'm probably not someone you would associate yourself with. Somehow, I don't think either of us is missing much...

dude, I don't enjoy associating with myself most of the time.

by Zurn 2024-07-22, 19:01

DWags wrote:

I wonder if Manchin believes he never hurt the Party.

Manchin would say he supports the country.

You guys sound like a bunch of Sovietistas with all of your love (and capitalization) for "The Party"

by TravelinMan 2024-07-22, 19:03

Cameron wrote:I will freely admit that I only support the Democrats when it suits me. Frankly, any other attitude towards a political party seems rather silly to me.

I didn't want another term of Biden, the Dems are no longer running Biden, now I currently fully support the Dems until they displease me again.

Leverage is a wonderful thing.

Someone gets it.

Blind party loyalty is idiotic. Left or right. It's just dumb.

by **GRR Spartan** 2024-07-22, 19:05

Nobody ever gets exactly what they want Cameron.

Ask Benjamin Netanyahu, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage.

The decision to engage Hamas is lasting longer and costing more than he ever expected.
Trump had everything planned to thump Biden in November then Biden isn’t there.
Farage sold a majority of UK voters Brexit was a winner. His party did win some seats in the recent elections but they needed to change the name from Brexit Party to ReformUK because Brexit was a loser.

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