Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this.

Yeah, I’d definitely call someone who posted that a Trumper.

But as long as he’s stopped now. We need everyone. I’m pretty sick about the Georgia election board.

DWags wrote:Yeah, I’d definitely call someone who posted that a Trumper.

But as long as he’s stopped now. We need everyone. I’m pretty sick about the Georgia election board.

Hey Bernie, STFU. You’re not even a Democrat. Loser.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4809450-bernie-sanders-kamala-harris-tim-walz-veepstakes-2024-election/mlite/

Fox news this morning trying to create some faux outrage with this graphic on their screen, alternating for five minutes with another in bigger, bolder letters that said IT'S BEEN 15 DAYS!!!



Sorry for the poor quality.

Who's the stupid person again?

Trump: UAW leader Fain a ‘stupid person’

Floyd Robertson wrote:Who's the stupid person again?  

Trump: UAW leader Fain a ‘stupid person’

the knuckle-scrapin' republicans/libertarians will always support their christian hero.. but I have to suspect that his act is wearing old on actual decent Americans.

I say keep giving the bloated sack of drug-addicted christian filth a microphone..

PennSpartan wrote:Hey Bernie, STFU. You’re not even a Democrat. Loser.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4809450-bernie-sanders-kamala-harris-tim-walz-veepstakes-2024-election/mlite/

It never occurs to Penn that Senators like Sanders, & others, say these things in coordination with the campaign in order to get a gauge on reactions.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:Hey Bernie, STFU. You’re not even a Democrat. Loser.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4809450-bernie-sanders-kamala-harris-tim-walz-veepstakes-2024-election/mlite/

It never occurs to Penn that Senators like Sanders, & others, say these things in coordination with the campaign in order to get a gauge on reactions.

Nonsense. Sanders isn’t part of the campaign. Harris doesn’t need advice from a Presidential loser.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It never occurs to Penn that Senators like Sanders, & others, say these things in coordination with the campaign in order to get a gauge on reactions.

Nonsense. Sanders isn’t part of the campaign. Harris doesn’t need advice from a Presidential loser.

Pretty sure by this point Harris knows who her Veep running mate will be, however Sanders may be politicking or he may be building support at the campaign's request...

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Nonsense. Sanders isn’t part of the campaign. Harris doesn’t need advice from a Presidential loser.

Pretty sure by this point Harris knows who her Veep running mate will be, however Sanders may be politicking or he may be building support at the campaign's request...

He’s politicking all right. He has an agenda with his progressive buddies. Even Fetterman is involved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/04/us/politics/kamala-harris-vp-democrats-divided.html

Well at least Penn has returned to his old form.

Pulling his hair out over other people and their opinions on things that have zero effect on his daily life.

You would have to make a point of going out of your way to be bothered by that piece. Like intentionally looking to be outraged.

kingstonlake wrote:Well at least Penn has returned to his old form.

Pulling his hair out over other people and their opinions on things that have zero effect on his daily life.

You would have to make a point of going out of your way to be bothered by that piece. Like intentionally looking to be outraged.

Zero effect? I want to win, stooge. Shapiro gives Democrats the best chance to win Pennsylvania. Bernie is talking about supporting workers. Does he really think any Democrat doesn’t support workers?

God damn it. Dems going to now be working against stock market in this election. Not good

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Well at least Penn has returned to his old form.

Pulling his hair out over other people and their opinions on things that have zero effect on his daily life.

You would have to make a point of going out of your way to be bothered by that piece. Like intentionally looking to be outraged.

Zero effect?  I want to win, stooge.  Shapiro gives Democrats the best chance to win Pennsylvania.  Bernie is talking about supporting workers.  Does he really think any Democrat doesn’t support workers?  

The last 40 years of neolib policies including Clinton & Obama the answer to the question of Democratics  supporting workers is no, not so much.  (Could include Carter in this group, too)

This is one of the issues which Trump has been able to cynically exploit.

Biden accepted as a condition of support, that Senators Sanders & Warren, expecially Warren, would have first choice in nominating staffers for key economic positions in his administration.

With Harris replacing Biden that is in play again, expecially with big money Californiaians, who want some of the Biden appointed people kicked out for too much support of labor.  Sanders may be just laying down a marker to show the need to agree with continued support of unions and of policies for the 99% that Biden has been following.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Zero effect?  I want to win, stooge.  Shapiro gives Democrats the best chance to win Pennsylvania.  Bernie is talking about supporting workers.  Does he really think any Democrat doesn’t support workers?  

The last 20 years of neolib policies including Clinton & Obama the answer to the question of Democratics  supporting workers is no, not so much.  

Biden accepted as a condition of support, that Senators Sanders & Warren, expecially Warren, would have first choice in nominating staffers for key economic positions in his administration.

With Harris replacing Biden that is in play again, expecially with big money Californiaians, who want some of the Biden appointed people kicked out for too much support of labor.  Sanders may be just laying down a marker to show the need to agree with continued support of unions and of policies for the 99% that Biden has been following.

This is 100% Trapper Gus horse shit.  Just like when you said Biden gave Dems the best chance of winning.  Stop making stuff up, dude.  You voted for Warren in 2020 and she lost.  You keep supporting losers.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:God damn it. Dems going to now be working against stock market in this election. Not good

Explain please.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Well at least Penn has returned to his old form.

Pulling his hair out over other people and their opinions on things that have zero effect on his daily life.

You would have to make a point of going out of your way to be bothered by that piece. Like intentionally looking to be outraged.

Zero effect?  I want to win, stooge.  Shapiro gives Democrats the best chance to win Pennsylvania.  Bernie is talking about supporting workers.  Does he really think any Democrat doesn’t support workers?  

Democrats have won Pennsylvania in 7 of the last 8 elections including in several elections they lost. Winning Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing, and having the 1 year Governor of Pennsylvania as the Vice President isn’t the only way to win Pennsylvania

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Zero effect?  I want to win, stooge.  Shapiro gives Democrats the best chance to win Pennsylvania.  Bernie is talking about supporting workers.  Does he really think any Democrat doesn’t support workers?  

Democrats have won Pennsylvania in 7 of the last 8 elections including in several elections they lost. Winning Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing, and having the 1 year Governor of Pennsylvania as the Vice President isn’t the only way to win Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania is almost mandatory to win this election. Trump won it in 2016. I find it interesting that Bernie and the others supporting Walz never mention winning. It’s that he supports workers. Walz is probably the weakest selection Harris could make. Shapiro, Kelly, and Beshear are better choices.

I came out earlier as a supporter of the PA governor, however I have changed my mind because PA, all the polling aside, probably isn't in play as much as Trump.thinks, and the MN governor has more Washington experience.

NigelUno wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
This is 100% Trapper Gus horse shit.  Just like when you said Biden gave Dems the best chance of winning.  Stop making stuff up, dude.  You voted for Warren in 2020 and she lost.  You keep supporting losers.

You don't think politicians offer support in exchange for favors?

What favor does Bernie want this time? I’m sure it includes free stuff.

Trapper Gus wrote:I came out earlier as a supporter of the PA governor, however I have changed my mind because PA, all the polling aside, probably isn't in play as much as Trump.thinks, and the MN governor has more Washington experience.

You can’t be serious. Pennsylvania is a virtual dead heat. Trump is ahead in several polls. STOP LYING.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Democrats have won Pennsylvania in 7 of the last 8 elections including in several elections they lost. Winning Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing, and having the 1 year Governor of Pennsylvania as the Vice President isn’t the only way to win Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania is almost mandatory to win this election.  Trump won it in 2016.  I find it interesting that Bernie and the others supporting Walz never mention winning.  It’s that he supports workers.  Walz is probably the weakest selection Harris could make.  Shapiro, Kelly, and Beshear are better choices.  

Yes, it is mandatory. But so are other places. Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Democrats have won Pennsylvania in 7 of the last 8 elections including in several elections they lost. Winning Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing, and having the 1 year Governor of Pennsylvania as the Vice President isn’t the only way to win Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania is almost mandatory to win this election. Trump won it in 2016. I find it interesting that Bernie and the others supporting Walz never mention winning. It’s that he supports workers. Walz is probably the weakest selection Harris could make. Shapiro, Kelly, and Beshear are better choices.

Biden was bleeding support in the below 40 year olds which was part of the public reasoning for dumping him, the MN governor supposedly gains more support with that demographic, which also tends to be more progressive.

Biden won in 2020 because they voted for him, so it cannot be written off.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Pennsylvania is almost mandatory to win this election.  Trump won it in 2016.  I find it interesting that Bernie and the others supporting Walz never mention winning.  It’s that he supports workers.  Walz is probably the weakest selection Harris could make.  Shapiro, Kelly, and Beshear are better choices.  

Yes, it is mandatory. But so are other places. Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing.

PA, MI, and WI are the three key states for Harris. Minnesota is reliably Dem.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Pennsylvania is almost mandatory to win this election. Trump won it in 2016. I find it interesting that Bernie and the others supporting Walz never mention winning. It’s that he supports workers. Walz is probably the weakest selection Harris could make. Shapiro, Kelly, and Beshear are better choices.

Biden was bleeding support in the below 40 year olds which was part of the public reasoning for dumping him, the MN governor supposedly gains more support with that demographic, which also tends to be more progressive.

Biden won in 2020 because they voted for him, so it cannot be written off.

So you are saying there are progressives who might not support Harris without Walz? Gosh this song sounds familiar.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yes, it is mandatory. But so are other places. Pennsylvania isn’t the only thing.

PA, MI, and WI are the three key states for Harris.  Minnesota is reliably Dem.  

You don’t need to pick a VP candidate exclusively based on which swing state they are from. In fact, they almost never do.

NigelUno wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Pennsylvania is almost mandatory to win this election. Trump won it in 2016. I find it interesting that Bernie and the others supporting Walz never mention winning. It’s that he supports workers. Walz is probably the weakest selection Harris could make. Shapiro, Kelly, and Beshear are better choices.

Supporting workers is part of winning, right?

Come on.

Please point out a Dem who doesn’t support workers.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:God damn it. Dems going to now be working against stock market in this election. Not good

Explain please.

Stocks tumbling around the world. Dow tanked 1200 out of the gates today. Bounced back a bit but still. We're now stacking negative activity. This all seems really fishy, there be dark forces at work. Hopefully pudding brains can lead us back from the brink of recession

Penn, do you have an opinion of Waltz as a VP candidate outside of not liking him today because you read an article about Sanders supporting him?

NigelUno wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
So you are saying there are progressives who might not support Harris without Walz? Gosh this song sounds familiar.

Familiar? You mean, like you saying you wouldn't support Biden?

I never said I wouldn’t vote for him. I even supported him in 2020 when he picked a lib as his running mate.

kingstonlake wrote:Penn, do you have an opinion of Waltz as a VP candidate outside of not liking him today because you read an article about Sanders supporting him?

I barely know who the guy is. That’s a problem. He’s a virtual unknown from a flyover state. And if Bernie is involved, that should send Harris running. Fast. But I’d like to know why libs think he’s so great. Other than he supports workers.

NigelUno wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I never said I wouldn’t vote for him. I even supported him in 2020 when he picked a lib as his running mate.

Did you say wouldn't support him? Yes or No.
Did you threaten to send money elsewhere if you didn't get your way? Yes or No.

I said a lot of things. Biden is dead. Had no chance to win. I would have voted for him and then prepared for a Trump Presidency. By the way, I started a thread about Joe a couple of years ago. Look it up.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Penn, do you have an opinion of Waltz as a VP candidate outside of not liking him today because you read an article about Sanders supporting him?

I barely know who the guy is.  That’s a problem.  He’s a virtual unknown from a flyover state.  And if Bernie is involved, that should send Harris running.  Fast.  But I’d like to know why libs think he’s so great.  Other than he supports workers.

So you base 100% of your opinion of a VP candidate based of of whether Sanders supports him?  That’s nuts.

How about we just let the internal research and polling make the decision. If it shows Waltz has a message that turns out voters and resonates with people more than any other candidate, then we roll with that.

There may be instances where someone is in a fiery rage of a thousands suns because Bernie  Sanders likes him too and they may work themselves into a migraine over it. I concede that’s a possibility.