Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

If you think television and broadcast media is going away anytime soon, I’d like to make a small wager with you. Say a million dollars? Why do you suppose Harris wants the debate on ABC instead of some internet site?

First, I find this single side point of view that so many posters exhibit to be boring. It's also ironic that instead of looking at all sides you are shutting out opposing viewpoints.

As for Harris continuing on with the Biden/Trump agreed to debate, she does it for one reason, to gain more votes.

Old farts will watch, MSM types & SM types will both talk about it, which lead to voters turning out. It's not that hard to answer this, Penn.

And to counter your next (obvious) post, yes, there are still old farts like you who watch MSM, though the debates will be streamed on SM too, who Harris wants to vote for her.

Young kids are on their phones all the time. They'll get social media updates from the debate. They don't have the patience to watch the whole thing (yes...that's a generalization).

Social media (and little 10-15 second moments) will impact them more than watching the news (or debate). Harris needs young(er) people to vote. Biden wasn't exactly creating any buzz there (or anywhere).

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

First, I find this single side point of view that so many posters exhibit to be boring. It's also ironic that instead of looking at all sides you are shutting out opposing viewpoints.

As for Harris continuing on with the Biden/Trump agreed to debate, she does it for one reason, to gain more votes.

Old farts will watch, MSM types & SM types will both talk about it, which lead to voters turning out. It's not that hard to answer this, Penn.

And to counter your next (obvious) post, yes, there are still old farts like you who watch MSM, though the debates will be streamed on SM too, who Harris wants to vote for her.

Young kids are on their phones all the time. They'll get social media updates from the debate. They don't have the patience to watch the whole thing (yes...that's a generalization).

Social media (and little 10-15 second moments) will impact them more than watching the news (or debate). Harris needs young(er) people to vote. Biden wasn't exactly creating any buzz there (or anywhere).

I agree. There is no denying they get their information on the phone. That’s not necessarily a good thing, though. There is so much false information out there that is difficult for them to filter out. Hopefully it improves over time.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
No, it won’t. Not until you’re dead, and probably a decent interval after that, so I’ll never collect. That’s the whole point my guy. 

And it won’t “go away”. But it will eventually go the way of radio

Go the way of radio?  Radio is still huge. There are thousands of stations nationwide. The right wing audience on radio political shows is massive. Swing and a miss, Travis.

Yeah man lots of people tuning into the radio to get their news

That’s why we’ve been talking about radio so much throughout this thread, it’s so huge, we can’t deny it’s impact

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Go the way of radio?  Radio is still huge. There are thousands of stations nationwide. The right wing audience on radio political shows is massive. Swing and a miss, Travis.

Yeah man lots of people tuning into the radio to get their news

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit: Over 15k radio stations in the U.S. All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

PennSpartan wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Young kids are on their phones all the time. They'll get social media updates from the debate. They don't have the patience to watch the whole thing (yes...that's a generalization).

Social media (and little 10-15 second moments) will impact them more than watching the news (or debate). Harris needs young(er) people to vote. Biden wasn't exactly creating any buzz there (or anywhere).

I agree. There is no denying they get their information on the phone. That’s not necessarily a good thing, though. There is so much false information out there that is difficult for them to filter out. Hopefully it improves over time.

The MSM also broadcasts false information, and much of it neither broadcasts corrections nor acknowledges that they were false.

The MSM also is like a mob with mob group think, and a defined information path from disinformation by propagandists to the front page of tNYT.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

I agree. There is no denying they get their information on the phone. That’s not necessarily a good thing, though. There is so much false information out there that is difficult for them to filter out. Hopefully it improves over time.

The MSM also broadcasts false information, and much of it neither broadcasts corrections nor acknowledges that they were false.

The MSM also is like a mob with mob group think, and a defined information path from disinformation by propagandists to the front page of tNYT.

Still waiting for you to tell us your main source of current news. If a major event happened right now, where do you tune in, Trapper?

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Social media? Seriously? Most of that shit is fake or lies. AI generated junk from Russia or China. Sorry, I’ll be the old guy watching the debate live on that old fashioned box you hate. I’ll also be watching MSU Friday night on that silly device. You can find out the score Saturday morning here on tSwill.

My kid at Western MI had a TV all last year, tried to use it once and that was the Lions playoff run... Otherwise, it just sat. Didn't even bring it this year.

Well that’s probably good. They should be studying, right?

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yeah man lots of people tuning into the radio to get their news

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit:  Over 15k radio stations in the U.S.  All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

Oh wow cool I wonder if cars have anything else in them these days that further supplant radio where people younger than 65 may not use the radio part of their car very often

Shitbag over here is arguing that radio is still a massively influential thing instead of acknowledging the passage of time, wild

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit:  Over 15k radio stations in the U.S.  All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years (unless absolutely forced to) strictly Spotify and SiriusXM streams.

You are living in the 80's Penn.

Why do you suppose there are so many radio stations?  And only one Sirius/Xm?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit:  Over 15k radio stations in the U.S.  All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

Oh wow cool I wonder if cars have anything else in them these days that further supplant radio where people younger than 65 may not use the radio part of their car very often

Shitbag over here is arguing that radio is still a massively influential thing instead of acknowledging the passage of time, wild

15k stations. Repeat that over and over. LOL

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Well that’s probably good. They should be studying, right?

Dean's List (brag on my kid)

What I'm saying is kids don't watch TV unless live sports like EVER. I bet everyone south of 30 strictly gets their "news" and entertainment on streaming services and youtube.

I was in Walmart the other day. They had tons of TV’s, including some massive ones. Why do you suppose they sell them if no one watches?

PennSpartan wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Dean's List (brag on my kid)

What I'm saying is kids don't watch TV unless live sports like EVER. I bet everyone south of 30 strictly gets their "news" and entertainment on streaming services and youtube.

I was in Walmart the other day. They had tons of TV’s, including some massive ones. Why do you suppose they sell them if no one watches?

You understand the personalities on Fox News aren’t actually physically in the TV or car radio, right?

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

See what misinformed you are watching MSM?

Harris campaign is executing huge social media influencers campaign and social media ads...

Only old foke watch MSM and many of them get their news from Facebook.

Social media?  Seriously?  Most of that shit is fake or lies.  AI generated junk from Russia or China.  Sorry, I’ll be the old guy watching the debate live on that old fashioned box you hate.  I’ll also be watching MSU Friday night on that silly device.  You can find out the score Saturday morning here on tSwill.  

as a faithful follower of your christian hero, you should know a lot about 'fake' or 'lies'.

Trump went to Arlington National Cemetery for a campaign photo op / wreath ceremony and visit graves of two soldiers who died during the pull out of Afghanistan where Trump had set the date of US troop withdrawal when he negotiated with the Taliban.

Two of his campaign workers got into an altercation with military personal at Arlington trying to enforce the rules against filming/video for PR or advertising.

Now Trump is making up excuses wanting the story to vaporize.  

DonOLD Trump = POS

https://newrepublic.com/post/185359/trump-staff-fight-arlington-national-cemetery

PennSpartan wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Dean's List (brag on my kid)

What I'm saying is kids don't watch TV unless live sports like EVER. I bet everyone south of 30 strictly gets their "news" and entertainment on streaming services and youtube.

I was in Walmart the other day. They had tons of TV’s, including some massive ones. Why do you suppose they sell them if no one watches?

I buy them to watch movies, and very occasional MSU football or basketball, though I prefer listening to George & Will...

PennSpartan wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years (unless absolutely forced to) strictly Spotify and SiriusXM streams.

You are living in the 80's Penn.

Why do you suppose there are so many radio stations?  And only one Sirius/Xm?

Do you suppose Penn knows there are hundreds of stations on Sirius/XM?

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Penn I think the path to irrelevance includes some steps that involve the people that still watch things like msnbc dying off. Your embracing the media isn’t proving the opposite is true, it’s exactly the point.

If you think television and broadcast media is going away anytime soon, I’d like to make a small wager with you. Say a million dollars?  Why do you suppose Harris wants the debate on ABC instead of some internet site?

Because a debate on ABC also gets on some internet sites, it captures both.  A debate just in some internet sites may not make it to ABC in its entirety, probably playing second hand snippets

Radio is fighting for relevance. So much so there is serious discussion about eliminating AM radios in vehicles. (I don't think it's a good idea because AM is great for emergency use like we see in major storms). I listen to downloaded playlists, podcasts and stream where possible. The only live radio I listen to is Dan Patrick and Colin Cowherd because both are nearly void of political talk.


Political talk gets much better ratings in the hinterlands but even in very conservative GR market all conservative political talk WOOD 1300 AM (20,000 watts and now simulcasts 106.9 (Muskegon). WOOD is #5 trailing country, adult contemporary and a Christian radio station. It was #1 then Rush Limbaugh died but even in the year prior right wing political talk was losing listeners.

However syndication makes any format cheaper to air because all that's needed to a competent board op to make sure the satellite feeds are up and running.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

First, I find this single side point of view that so many posters exhibit to be boring.  It's also ironic that instead of looking at all sides you are shutting out opposing viewpoints.

As for Harris continuing on with the Biden/Trump agreed to debate, she does it for one reason, to gain more votes.

Old farts will watch, MSM types & SM types will both talk about it, which lead to voters turning out.  It's not that hard to answer this, Penn.

And to counter your next (obvious) post, yes, there are still old farts like you who watch MSM, though the debates will be streamed on SM too, who Harris wants to vote for her.

Tell us Trapper, what is your go to site for news?  Not opinion, but actual news. Current news, not day old news. What is it?

Not trapper but drudge report is usually one of my first stops to view a snapshot of what's going on right now.  He is of course biased though, but it's a lean right situation so I get to see the news through a slightly different lens and without personal commentary from him.  Sinc le he turned on trump, he has been pretty tolerable. Second is probably a tie between Google news and Reddit or other forums of specialized topics.  I of course have to do a lot of filtering out of garbage as I'm less interested in opinions/analysis and more interested in what actually happened

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yeah man lots of people tuning into the radio to get their news

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit: Over 15k radio stations in the U.S. All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

Do you suppose Penn has ever used voice commands and the printed word to voice service on his phone? His 2002 Chevy doesn't have it, nor Bluetooth to car connectivity, and I suppose his flip phone isn't smart.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yeah man lots of people tuning into the radio to get their news

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit:  Over 15k radio stations in the U.S.  All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

Radio is getting smaller, sorta dying.  But it will never die.  It will end up being one host hosting shows on 30 different stations around the country as they will need to consolidate and have less staff than they used to. One alternative station broadcast to different regions. It's already happening. The days of local DJs is already numbered.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The MSM also broadcasts false information, and much of it neither broadcasts corrections nor acknowledges that they were false.

The MSM also is like a mob with mob group think, and a defined information path from disinformation by propagandists to the front page of tNYT.

Still waiting for you to tell us your main source of current news. If a major event happened right now, where do you tune in, Trapper?

Just saw this, a bunch of stuff going on right now. If there was a hot flash about the end of life on earth I would probably read about it days later.

I look at the headlines on MLive, The Bridge, Axios, AP, Michigan Advance, DaliyKOS in that order, but my go to is tSwill

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The MSM also broadcasts false information, and much of it neither broadcasts corrections nor acknowledges that they were false.

The MSM also is like a mob with mob group think, and a defined information path from disinformation by propagandists to the front page of tNYT.

Still waiting for you to tell us your main source of current news. If a major event happened right now, where do you tune in, Trapper?

All on the internets of course

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit:  Over 15k radio stations in the U.S.  All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

Radio is getting smaller, sorta dying.  But it will never die.  It will end up being one host hosting shows on 30 different stations around the country as they will need to consolidate and have less staff than they used to. One alternative station broadcast to different regions. It's already happening. The days of local DJs is already numbered.

Radio has a special quality. It’s called FREE. Try that with Spotify or SiriusXM. I even listen to out of state stations (like Lions games) for free on the internet.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Still waiting for you to tell us your main source of current news. If a major event happened right now, where do you tune in, Trapper?

All on the internets of course

There is nothing on the internet other than NPR that is any less biased than MSM.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Radio is getting smaller, sorta dying.  But it will never die.  It will end up being one host hosting shows on 30 different stations around the country as they will need to consolidate and have less staff than they used to. One alternative station broadcast to different regions. It's already happening. The days of local DJs is already numbered.

Radio has a special quality. It’s called FREE. Try that with Spotify or SiriusXM. I even listen to out of state stations (like Lions games) for free on the internet.

Right, I get it. It is dying slowly but it will never die outright. There's always SOME value in that area of the electromagnetic spectrum for its reach

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

Every day. There are these old things called cars. You’re probably too young to want one. They have radios. Much safer than surfing the net when you’re driving, too.

Edit: Over 15k radio stations in the U.S. All just collecting dust according to Travis. LOL

Do you suppose Penn has ever used voice commands and the printed word to voice service on his phone? His 2002 Chevy doesn't have it, nor Bluetooth to car connectivity, and I suppose his flip phone isn't smart.

My 2022 hybrid has all the bells and whistles. Even SiriusXm. But it doesn’t compare to local radio, especially when I’m traveling. I get recommendations on restaurants and local events that those pay site music platforms don’t provide. Spotify and SiriusXM are like McDonalds. Same shit wherever you are.

I'm glad Penn can get the attention here he desperately needs.

From a very basic clinical perspective:

A person with histrionic personality disorder seeks attention, talks dramatically with strong opinions, is easily influenced, has rapidly changing emotions, and thinks relationships are closer than they are.

from more of a diagnostic perspective:

Diagnosis criteria for histrionic personality disorder require meeting five (or more) of the following persistent behaviors:

   Uncomfortable when not the center of attention.
   Seductive or provocative behavior.
   Shifting and shallow emotions.
   Uses appearance to draw attention.
   Impressionistic and vague speech
   Dramatic or exaggerated emotions.
   Suggestible (easily influenced by others).
   Considers relationships more intimate than they are.

Treatment can be group-specific, psychodynamic and supportive. Possibly cognitive behavioral therapy - we're doing some good work here, guys. Empathy is crucial, along with basic group discussion. We don't need to get into root causes, self-reflection here.

hang in there, Penn - we're here to support, not treat. we got you!

You just can’t get good recommendations for local restaurants to creep on lowlife servers and bartenders on Sirius/XM

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm glad Penn can get the attention here he desperately needs.

From a very basic clinical perspective:

A person with histrionic personality disorder seeks attention, talks dramatically with strong opinions, is easily influenced, has rapidly changing emotions, and thinks relationships are closer than they are.

from more of a diagnostic perspective:

Diagnosis criteria for histrionic personality disorder require meeting five (or more) of the following persistent behaviors:

   Uncomfortable when not the center of attention.
   Seductive or provocative behavior.
   Shifting and shallow emotions.
   Uses appearance to draw attention.
   Impressionistic and vague speech
   Dramatic or exaggerated emotions.
   Suggestible (easily influenced by others).
   Considers relationships more intimate than they are.

Treatment can be group-specific, psychodynamic and supportive. Possibly cognitive behavioral therapy - we're doing some good work here, guys. Empathy is crucial, along with basic group discussion. We don't need to get into root causes, self-reflection here.

hang in there, Penn - we're here to support, not treat. we got you!

You’re one to talk, Bob. You literally post the same thing every day. “The racist, bigoted, Christian sexual predator……..”. “Caution: Mainstream media link”….

Get help, buddy.

kingstonlake wrote:You just can’t get good recommendations for local restaurants to creep on lowlife servers and bartenders on Sirius/XM

No worries. The lowlife ones are in Congress now.

PennSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'm glad Penn can get the attention here he desperately needs.

From a very basic clinical perspective:



from more of a diagnostic perspective:



Treatment can be group-specific, psychodynamic and supportive. Possibly cognitive behavioral therapy - we're doing some good work here, guys. Empathy is crucial, along with basic group discussion. We don't need to get into root causes, self-reflection here.

hang in there, Penn - we're here to support, not treat. we got you!

You’re one to talk, Bob. You literally post the same thing every day. “The racist, bigoted, Christian sexual predator……..”. “Caution: Mainstream media link”….

Get help, buddy.

you just met two, arguably three, of the criteria in that post.

we're here for ya, man - we're all Spartans here.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:

You’re one to talk, Bob. You literally post the same thing every day. “The racist, bigoted, Christian sexual predator……..”. “Caution: Mainstream media link”….

Get help, buddy.

you just met two, arguably three, of the criteria in that post.

we're here for ya, man - we're all Spartans here.

You also have 50,000 posts to my 3000. Who likes attention?

PennSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: you just met two, arguably three, of the criteria in that post.

we're here for ya, man - we're all Spartans here.

You also have 50,000 posts to my 3000. Who likes attention?

I like to say that there are two kinds of people. Folks that need therapy and go, folks that need therapy and don't go.

I've been faithfully attending for a couple of decades now.

thanks for bringing that up. I'm a huge advocate for removing the stigma associated with mental health.