I shall not seek, and I will not accept, my party’s nominees for President and Vice President

I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me. Good luck.

What is it that you ever liked about Democrats? Every opinion I see you espouse seems more suited to the Republicans.

Cameron wrote:What is it that you ever liked about Democrats? Every opinion I see you espouse seems more suited to the Republicans.

I’m going to guess your understanding of Democrats is less than half of the time I have been involved. Were you even alive in 1972 when I worked for McGovern? Be careful when you make judgments.

PennSpartan wrote:I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me. Good luck.

One assues you will be voting for them in November regardless.

PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:What is it that you ever liked about Democrats? Every opinion I see you espouse seems more suited to the Republicans.

I’m going to guess your understanding of Democrats is less than half of the time I have been involved. Were you even alive in 1972 when I worked for McGovern? Be careful when you make judgments.

Nice non-answer.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me. Good luck.

One assues you will be voting for them in November regardless.

Probably will only vote for downvote candidates, Trapper. Or maybe RFK, Jr.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

One assues you will be voting for them in November regardless.

Probably will only vote for downvote candidates, Trapper. Or maybe RFK, Jr.

Enjoy your lifetime of King Trump

PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:What is it that you ever liked about Democrats? Every opinion I see you espouse seems more suited to the Republicans.

I’m going to guess your understanding of Democrats is less than half of the time I have been involved.  Were you even alive in 1972 when I worked for McGovern?  Be careful when you make judgments.

I was born in 1988, so no, I wasn't alive.

That was a genuine question. I legitimately would like to know what it is that makes or made you identify as a Democrat. Social issues? Economic? Foreign policy?

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Probably will only vote for downvote candidates, Trapper. Or maybe RFK, Jr.

Enjoy your lifetime of King Trump

You too!

1976 electoral map for reference (1972 was a landslide, and thus not a relevant comparison). Saying you were a democrat in 1972 means nothing.

Cameron wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I’m going to guess your understanding of Democrats is less than half of the time I have been involved.  Were you even alive in 1972 when I worked for McGovern?  Be careful when you make judgments.

I was born in 1988, so no, I wasn't alive.

That was a genuine question. I legitimately would like to know what it is that makes or made you identify as a Democrat. Social issues? Economic? Foreign policy?

Cam, he’s just a bitter old man. It’s really that simple. Hating others is what drives him. He gets up every morning and looks for things to be angry about.

Cameron wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I’m going to guess your understanding of Democrats is less than half of the time I have been involved.  Were you even alive in 1972 when I worked for McGovern?  Be careful when you make judgments.

I was born in 1988, so no, I wasn't alive.

That was a genuine question. I legitimately would like to know what it is that makes or made you identify as a Democrat. Social issues? Economic? Foreign policy?

I am a moderate Democrat. Carter, Clinton, and Obama are my ideal Presidents. I don’t believe in the Sanders idea of free stuff for everyone. I’m sorry we don’t agree on that.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Enjoy your lifetime of King Trump

You too!

I will know I did what I could to stop the country from turning into Russia, you, comrade will not have that solance.

Cameron wrote:What is it that you ever liked about Democrats? Every opinion I see you espouse seems more suited to the Republicans.

Em, er, somebody on this very board had always lumped him in with RQA and TM and I believe said he was a Turmper.  


Should I pretend I’m shocked at this revelation?  


He’s quite mad you know.  I’m done interacting with him.  He’s as crazy as the pillow guy.

PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I was born in 1988, so no, I wasn't alive.

That was a genuine question. I legitimately would like to know what it is that makes or made you identify as a Democrat. Social issues? Economic? Foreign policy?

I am a moderate Democrat.  Carter, Clinton, and Obama are my ideal Presidents.  I don’t believe in the Sanders idea of free stuff for everyone.  I’m sorry we don’t agree on that.  

You have told me who you like, but not why you like them. Is it just vibes? Economic policy? Foreign policy?

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:



Probably will only vote for downvote candidates, Trapper.  Or maybe RFK, Jr.

Enjoy your lifetime of King Trump

Who TF cares who he votes for?  He’s blue on black. Tear on a river a whisper in the wind, match on a fire.  Don’t waste positive energy.   Let him scream.

DWags wrote:

Cameron wrote:What is it that you ever liked about Democrats? Every opinion I see you espouse seems more suited to the Republicans.

Em, er, somebody on this very board had always lumped him in with RQA and TM and I believe said he was a Turmper.  


Should I pretend I’m shocked at this revelation?  


He’s quite mad you know.  I’m done interacting with him.  He’s as crazy as the pillow guy.

There are others on this board who behave in a similar way if they get their panties in a bunch about some issue they mindlessly latch onto.

Sort of surprised that Penn threw away his credibility over the Veep choice when he didn't want the PA governor to begin with.

Trapper Gus wrote:

DWags wrote:


Em, er, somebody on this very board had always lumped him in with RQA and TM and I believe said he was a Turmper.  


Should I pretend I’m shocked at this revelation?  


He’s quite mad you know.  I’m done interacting with him.  He’s as crazy as the pillow guy.

There are others on this board who behave in a similar way if they get their panties in a bunch about some issue they mindlessly latch onto.

Sort of surprised that Penn threw away his credibility over the Veep choice when he didn't want the PA governor to begin with.

He never had any credibility with me.   Just look in the AOC thread.  He’s got some severe issues.  

I’ve said this 100 times here, This election is way too important not to pull together and grab every positive vote we can.  You can be concerned about student loans, national debt, the second amendment, a woman’s right to choose,, Israel, genocide, whatever.


This time it’s one fucking issue.  Democracy or not.  I am not gonna waste 1 ounce of energy and wishy-washy people  Fuck em.  No time for fools.

DWags wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

There are others on this board who behave in a similar way if they get their panties in a bunch about some issue they mindlessly latch onto.

Sort of surprised that Penn threw away his credibility over the Veep choice when he didn't want the PA governor to begin with.

He never had any credibility with me.   Just look in the AOC thread.  He’s got some severe issues.  

I’ve said this 100 times here, This election is way too important not to pull together and grab every positive vote we can.  You can be concerned about student loans, national debt, the second amendment, a woman’s right to choose,, Israel, genocide, whatever.


This time it’s one fucking issue.  Democracy or not.  I am not gonna waste 1 ounce of energy and wishy-washy people  Fuck em.  No time for fools.

You get it Dwags. You’ve had heated debates with everyone over this but all along you know the prize. You know the end game. It might not have went your way but you understand the importance of this election. You know that this is the most import election of our lifetime.

You’re not some petty bitch who bails because he doesn’t get his way. You don’t use 6 degrees of separation to justify not voting for the democrat because you’re full of hate. Penn gets a hard on (if he still can) thinking not voting for someone will hurt others. He’s just a miserable self loathing POS.

You’re a good man who knows his family and their future are more important than your petty grievances.

PennSpartan wrote:I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me. Good luck.

Kinda seems like everyone was right about you...

Cameron wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I am a moderate Democrat.  Carter, Clinton, and Obama are my ideal Presidents.  I don’t believe in the Sanders idea of free stuff for everyone.  I’m sorry we don’t agree on that.  

You have told me who you like, but not why you like them. Is it just vibes? Economic policy? Foreign policy?

I’ll engage with you, Cam.  I respect you.  I didn’t early on, but I do now.  I vote for candidates who support abortion, public education, social security, and social issues.  I don’t believe in the idea that the government is an endless supply of money.  The debt is real.  Not something that never has to be paid.

I lost support for Harris when Bernie got involved.  A guy who refuses to register as a Democrat is telling Dems like you and me how to vote. And telling Kamala Harris who to pick.  

You said you didn’t support Biden even though he is a Democrat.  That doesn’t make you a Republican.  It’s your choice.  I have made a choice as well.  Maybe I’ll change.  We’ll see.

PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:

You have told me who you like, but not why you like them. Is it just vibes? Economic policy? Foreign policy?

I’ll engage with you, Cam.  I respect you.  I didn’t early on, but I do now.  I vote for candidates who support abortion, public education, social security, and social issues.  I don’t believe in the idea that the government is an endless supply of money.  The debt is real.  Not something that never has to be paid.

I lost support for Harris when Bernie got involved.  I guy who refuses to register as a Democrat is telling Dems like you and me how to vote. And telling Kamala Harris who to pick.  

You said you didn’t support Biden even though he is a Democrat.  That doesn’t make you a Republican.  It’s your choice.  I have made a choice as well.  Maybe I’ll change.  We’ll see.

Bernie would have told you to vote for Biden...which you said you were going to do.

Sorry your feelings are hurt. Hope you can carry on.

This guy fucks.

PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I was born in 1988, so no, I wasn't alive.

That was a genuine question. I legitimately would like to know what it is that makes or made you identify as a Democrat. Social issues? Economic? Foreign policy?

I am a moderate Democrat.  

Like, say, Joe Manchin?

PennSpartan wrote:I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me.  Good luck.  

Dude, Walz only role here is for a couple things:
1. Build a small bridge to the 2nd amendment folks
2. Build a larger bridge to the bernie folks
3. connect with some small town folks with his folksie attitude
4. Attack donald trump.

He is here because he effectively pulls off all 4 of these things which is needed on the ticket to try and sap away as much middle support as possible.  He is NOT a bernie bro, not by a long shot.  What makes him good is that he can please people like Cameron long enough to vote for him.  That's it.  You should be happy with him.  I doubt Shapiro is this good at all 4 of those things without alienating different groups. He's a likable guy.  Shapiro undoubtedly would have been a good choice but he's not quite as well rounded as he would not be making people like cameron excited about this ticket and those people are the real prize unfortunately.  Remember:  Michigan voted for sanders in the primary in 2016, he had a LOT of support and a lot of them got pissy like you're doing now. Shapiro will be helping this ticket win in PA anyways because he obviously has a future at the top of this party.  So you get all of this plus Shapiro delivering PA.  It was the right strategic move.  You don't have to like him but in the end he's just saying things to make the most people happy as possible and he's already pulling it off marvelously.  That should get you excited, namely that we went from donald trump running away with the election and getting shot, turning effectively into a living martyr, to this which is on its way to taking down the fat fuck. Trumpism culture MUST die a screaming death and fast, we're all tired of this bullshit

Heat Miser wrote:1976 electoral map for reference (1972 was a landslide, and thus not a relevant comparison). Saying you were a democrat in 1972 means nothing.

Man is it crazy how the map has changed. To think CA, OR, WA, MI, IL uniting with the flyover states against TX, FL GA, AL, MS, LA, AR, MO, OH, PA, NY, WV, KY and the deep south side was for the democrats. Good god, i can't even imagine. Right now it seems like we are so engrained in our battle lines, the trenches have been dug and there's hardly any flip flopping except for a small handful of states each year.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me. Good luck.

Dude, Walz only role here is for a couple things:
1. Build a small bridge to the 2nd amendment folks
2. Build a larger bridge to the bernie folks
3. connect with some small town folks with his folksie attitude
4. Attack donald trump.

He is here because he effectively pulls off all 4 of these things which is needed on the ticket to try and sap away as much middle support as possible. He is NOT a bernie bro, not by a long shot. What makes him good is that he can please people like Cameron long enough to vote for him. That's it. You should be happy with him. I doubt Shapiro is this good at all 4 of those things. Shapiro undoubtedly would have been a good choice but he's not quite as well rounded as he would not be making people like cameron excited about this ticket and those people are the real prize unfortunately. Remember: Michigan voted for sanders in the primary in 2016. Shapiro will be helping this ticket win in PA anyways because he obviously has a future at the top of this party. So you get all of this plus Shapiro delivering PA. It was the right strategic move. You don't have to like him but in the end he's just saying things to make the most people happy as possible and he's already pulling it off marvelously. That should get you excited.

Your first three are why I won’t be voting for her.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Dude, Walz only role here is for a couple things:
1. Build a small bridge to the 2nd amendment folks
2. Build a larger bridge to the bernie folks
3. connect with some small town folks with his folksie attitude
4. Attack donald trump.

He is here because he effectively pulls off all 4 of these things which is needed on the ticket to try and sap away as much middle support as possible.  He is NOT a bernie bro, not by a long shot.  What makes him good is that he can please people like Cameron long enough to vote for him.  That's it.  You should be happy with him.  I doubt Shapiro is this good at all 4 of those things.  Shapiro undoubtedly would have been a good choice but he's not quite as well rounded as he would not be making people like cameron excited about this ticket and those people are the real prize unfortunately.  Remember:  Michigan voted for sanders in the primary in 2016. Shapiro will be helping this ticket win in PA anyways because he obviously has a future at the top of this party.  So you get all of this plus Shapiro delivering PA.  It was the right strategic move.  You don't have to like him but in the end he's just saying things to make the most people happy as possible and he's already pulling it off marvelously.  That should get you excited.

Your first three are why I won’t be voting for her.  

So you don't want him to say things to make the bernie bros happy and more likely to vote?  Remember:  He's a politician, he's just saying things.  He's not a bernie bro, he's just able to appeal to them... on the surface.  He's perfect for the here and now, look how giddy cameron is.  I can gurantee you that Walz will not champion 95% of what cameron wants him to champion.  The most bernie bro like thing he's done is give children free food and that is something you should be on board with.  As a parent in michigan also enjoying this benefit, it is freaking awesome and great for the kids. The dude is a moderate that puts on many different hats when he needs to, for the cameras and arenas.

I understand your number 2 objection, from your pov.  I think you have your head where the sun doesn't shine, if you were pragmatic about politics, which you no longer seem to be.  Just like the the MAGA people, except different trigger points.

Don't understand your pov on 1 or 3 at all, though.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Your first three are why I won’t be voting for her.  

So you don't want him to say things to make the bernie bros happy and more likely to vote?  Remember:  He's a politician, he's just saying things.  He's not a bernie bro, he's just able to appeal to them... on the surface.  He's perfect for the here and now, look how giddy cameron is.  I can gurantee you that Walz will not champion 95% of what cameron wants him to champion.  The most bernie bro like thing he's done is give children free food and that is something you should be on board with.  As a parent in michigan also enjoying this benefit, it is freaking awesome and great for the kids. The dude is a moderate that puts on many different hats when he needs to, for the cameras and arenas.

Bernie isn’t even a Democrat. I am tired of him twisting arms to get what HE wants. He doesn’t care about me or you. He has an agenda and he will stop at nothing to get it. He is exactly like Miller and Bannon with Trump.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:I did my best LBJ impression there.

Sorry, I won’t be supporting the Harris/Walz ticket.  I refuse to be involved in the Bernie Sanders mafia.  Nope, not for me.  Good luck.  

Dude, Walz only role here is for a couple things:
1. Build a small bridge to the 2nd amendment folks
2. Build a larger bridge to the bernie folks
3. connect with some small town folks with his folksie attitude
4. Attack donald trump.

He is here because he effectively pulls off all 4 of these things which is needed on the ticket to try and sap away as much middle support as possible.  He is NOT a bernie bro, not by a long shot.  What makes him good is that he can please people like Cameron long enough to vote for him.  That's it.  You should be happy with him.  I doubt Shapiro is this good at all 4 of those things without alienating different groups.  He's a likable guy.  Shapiro undoubtedly would have been a good choice but he's not quite as well rounded as he would not be making people like cameron excited about this ticket and those people are the real prize unfortunately.  Remember:  Michigan voted for sanders in the primary in 2016, he had a LOT of support and a lot of them got pissy like you're doing now. Shapiro will be helping this ticket win in PA anyways because he obviously has a future at the top of this party.  So you get all of this plus Shapiro delivering PA.  It was the right strategic move.  You don't have to like him but in the end he's just saying things to make the most people happy as possible and he's already pulling it off marvelously.  That should get you excited, namely that we went from donald trump running away with the election and getting shot, turning effectively into a living martyr, to this which is on its way to taking down the fat fuck.  Trumpism culture MUST die a screaming death and fast, we're all tired of this bullshit

He was never voting for the Democrat candidate. If that’s not clear to everyone by now, I don’t know what to tell y’all.  He’s just using the Bernie excuse as cover. Hell, one of his moderate centerist heroes Joe Manchin said it was the right choice.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

So you don't want him to say things to make the bernie bros happy and more likely to vote?  Remember:  He's a politician, he's just saying things.  He's not a bernie bro, he's just able to appeal to them... on the surface.  He's perfect for the here and now, look how giddy cameron is.  I can gurantee you that Walz will not champion 95% of what cameron wants him to champion.  The most bernie bro like thing he's done is give children free food and that is something you should be on board with.  As a parent in michigan also enjoying this benefit, it is freaking awesome and great for the kids. The dude is a moderate that puts on many different hats when he needs to, for the cameras and arenas.

Bernie isn’t even a Democrat. I am tired of him twisting arms to get what HE wants. He doesn’t care about me or you. He has an agenda and he will stop at nothing to get it. He is exactly like Miller and Bannon with Trump.

I am very sure that Senator Sanders did his endorsement thing to bring the Bernie Bros on line with the Harris/Walz ticket.

Also very sure he had little influence on the choice Harris made.

You are just looking for any weak ass excuse not to support the Democratic ticket this time around. First it was Biden was too old, now it's that the Veep choice was endorsed by Senator Sanders...what an A2 resident you are, much of the time.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

So you don't want him to say things to make the bernie bros happy and more likely to vote?  Remember:  He's a politician, he's just saying things.  He's not a bernie bro, he's just able to appeal to them... on the surface.  He's perfect for the here and now, look how giddy cameron is.  I can gurantee you that Walz will not champion 95% of what cameron wants him to champion.  The most bernie bro like thing he's done is give children free food and that is something you should be on board with.  As a parent in michigan also enjoying this benefit, it is freaking awesome and great for the kids. The dude is a moderate that puts on many different hats when he needs to, for the cameras and arenas.

Bernie isn’t even a Democrat. I am tired of him twisting arms to get what HE wants. He doesn’t care about me or you. He has an agenda and he will stop at nothing to get it. He is exactly like Miller and Bannon with Trump.

Walz was a candidate before Bernie even said anything. I can guarantee you Walz was not picked because of any arm twisting by Bernie. Just watch him, dude has it all in a lot of ways and has a nearly infallible background much like everyone was saying about Kelly. Complete package for what is needed right now.

I don't even care if you like him so i don't know why i'm arguing, but you sound like you're just trolling at this point.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

So you don't want him to say things to make the bernie bros happy and more likely to vote?  Remember:  He's a politician, he's just saying things.  He's not a bernie bro, he's just able to appeal to them... on the surface.  He's perfect for the here and now, look how giddy cameron is.  I can gurantee you that Walz will not champion 95% of what cameron wants him to champion.  The most bernie bro like thing he's done is give children free food and that is something you should be on board with.  As a parent in michigan also enjoying this benefit, it is freaking awesome and great for the kids. The dude is a moderate that puts on many different hats when he needs to, for the cameras and arenas.

Bernie isn’t even a Democrat. I am tired of him twisting arms to get what HE wants. He doesn’t care about me or you. He has an agenda and he will stop at nothing to get it. He is exactly like Miller and Bannon with Trump.

Uh huh.

And AOC = MTG!!!

You're so full of crap.

PantsShittingSpartan is obsessed with AOC and won’t support the Dem nominee.

I’ve said it before that he’s a closet GOPer.

PS - I worked for GM when I was in college. I now drive a Ford. Your experience from 5 decades ago doesn’t mean shit.

PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:

You have told me who you like, but not why you like them. Is it just vibes? Economic policy? Foreign policy?

I’ll engage with you, Cam.  I respect you.  I didn’t early on, but I do now.  I vote for candidates who support abortion, public education, social security, and social issues.  I don’t believe in the idea that the government is an endless supply of money.  The debt is real.  Not something that never has to be paid.

I lost support for Harris when Bernie got involved.  A guy who refuses to register as a Democrat is telling Dems like you and me how to vote. And telling Kamala Harris who to pick.  

You said you didn’t support Biden even though he is a Democrat.  That doesn’t make you a Republican.  It’s your choice.  I have made a choice as well.  Maybe I’ll change.  We’ll see.

Harris/Walz support the bolded things. You should vote for them.

As for Bernie "telling Dems like you and me how to vote," I am not a Dem. I am a liberal, a leftist perhaps, but I have no allegiance to the party. And I don't think Bernie advocating for a specific candidate he prefers really qualifies as telling anyone how to vote anyway. And perhaps more relevantly, Nancy Pelosi supported Walz, and I think her wants have historically had demonstrably more impact than Bernie's, so maybe your ire is misguided.

DWags wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Enjoy your lifetime of King Trump

Who TF cares who he votes for?  He’s blue on black. Tear on a river a whisper in the wind, match on a fire.  Don’t waste positive energy.   Let him scream.

You and I are on such different wavelengths bro.

I think traveling man has been telling the truth.

I think Penn is full of shit. He’s voting for Harris.

Breaking: Bernie supports funding to eliminate cancer

Penn: I won’t be told what disease needs to be cured by Bernie Sanders. Therefore I cannot support cancer research.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:


Who TF cares who he votes for?  He’s blue on black. Tear on a river a whisper in the wind, match on a fire.  Don’t waste positive energy.   Let him scream.

You and I are on such different wavelengths bro.

I think traveling man has been telling the truth.

I think Penn is full of shit. He’s voting for Harris.

Well he has said he is, but that was before he said he wasn't, so who knows?