Way to early 2028 pre general election thread.

[kingstonlake]

Early hot take.

Don’t even think about running Mayor Pete or Big Gretch up the pole.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Did you learn nothing from starting the Oregon game thread 8 hours early

[Robert J Sakimano]

I admire your optimism about there being an election in 2028.

[kingstonlake]

Did you learn nothing from starting the Oregon game thread 8 hours early

We had a better chance in the Oregon game……

[kingstonlake]

Checklist in order of importance

1) Straight white male
2) Straight white male
3) Straight white male
4) Straight white male
5) Straight white male
6) Straight white male
7) Straight white wife
8) Straight white son
9) Straight white daughter
10) Straight blonde Labrador retriever

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Anyway have an actual primary where people can let you know what kind of candidate people want to vote for and rally around. Don’t have your little dnc favorites that end up being picked and co opting the whole thing, just let it happen organically and the chips will fall where they may.

[TravelinMan]

Anyway have an actual primary where people can let you know what kind of candidate people want to vote for and rally around. Don’t have your little dnc favorites that end up being picked and co opting the whole thing, just let it happen organically and the chips will fall where they may.

I think that is part of it. Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now. Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy. Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem? Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

[NigelUno]

Anyway have an actual primary where people can let you know what kind of candidate people want to vote for and rally around. Don’t have your little dnc favorites that end up being picked and co opting the whole thing, just let it happen organically and the chips will fall where they may.

I think that is part of it.  Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now.  Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy.  Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem?  Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

I know, right?  Dems need to follow the Republican moral high ground and not insult people.

[aualum06]

Will be lucky to have one

[Trapper Gus]

Will be lucky to have one

There will be one.

How the playing field is tilted will be the question.

My guess is after four years there will not be a MSM outlet or WEB site supplier who will allow any free speech or criticism of Republicans

[PennSpartan]

Early hot take.

Don’t even think about running Mayor Pete or Big Gretch up the pole.

* too

[Robert J Sakimano]

I think that is part of it.  Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now.  Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy.  Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem?  Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

I know, right?  Dems need to follow the Republican moral high ground and not insult people.

don't ya just love being lectured to by a republican/libertarian supporter of the christian hero about morality, name-calling and taking the high ground?

[GRR Spartan]

Even if the Democrats listen to voters and don’t act like they’re the smartest people in the room and Candidate X beats VP Vance we will have the SCOTUS conundrum.

If the POTUS gets to limit appointments to 12 -14-16 year terms AND it would get legislative approval the GOP would challenge and it would go to The SCOTUS.

Continuous loop.

[TravelinMan]

I think that is part of it.  Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now.  Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy.  Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem?  Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

I know, right?  Dems need to follow the Republican moral high ground and not insult people.

If Dems want to claim to be better then Pubs, then they need to actually BE better.

[PennSpartan]

My initial pick is Gavin Newsom. But I would also entertain the most progressive person the Bernie crowd wants to push. It’s time to find out if a far left candidate really could win.

[TravelinMan]

My initial pick is Gavin Newsom. But I would also entertain the most progressive person the Bernie crowd wants to push. It’s time to find out if a far left candidate really could win.

The American public rejected the idea of a San Francisco liberal who is soft on crime, and wants to give trans inmates sex changes. And your idea is to move further left?!? That's a bold strategy, Cotton...

[PennSpartan]

My initial pick is Gavin Newsom. But I would also entertain the most progressive person the Bernie crowd wants to push. It’s time to find out if a far left candidate really could win.

The American public rejected the idea of a San Francisco liberal who is soft on crime, and wants to give trans inmates sex changes. And your idea is to move further left?!? That's a bold strategy, Cotton...

Newsom isn’t further left. He’s been recently cracking down on some of the liberal horseshit like homeless camps and sanctuary cities. And he has the charisma that Harris lacked.

[TravelinMan]

The American public rejected the idea of a San Francisco liberal who is soft on crime, and wants to give trans inmates sex changes.  And your idea is to move further left?!?  That's a bold strategy, Cotton...

Newsom isn’t further left.  He’s been recently cracking down on some of the liberal horseshit like homeless camps and sanctuary cities.  And he has the charisma that Harris lacked.

I was responding more to your "further left than Bernie" comment.

I am glad Newsom is tackling the homeless problem.  Until that's cleaned up, there's no chance he can win any kind of national office.  

Why don't you like Shapiro?  Every interview I see him in impresses me.  He seems smart, quick, funny, and down to Earth.  Of course I'd expect you, being a PA resident, to maybe be more in tune than I am.

[PennSpartan]

Newsom isn’t further left.  He’s been recently cracking down on some of the liberal horseshit like homeless camps and sanctuary cities.  And he has the charisma that Harris lacked.

I was responding more to your "further left than Bernie" comment.

I am glad Newsom is tackling the homeless problem.  Until that's cleaned up, there's no chance he can win any kind of national office.  

Why don't you like Shapiro?  Every interview I see him in impresses me.  He seems smart, quick, funny, and down to Earth.  Of course I'd expect you, being a PA resident, to maybe be more in tune than I am.

I love Shapiro. But the progressives would be kicking and screaming if he was the nominee. He’s damn near perfect in my mind.

[Heat Miser]

My guess is the next Dem nominee is not currently on anyone's radar.

[TravelinMan]

I was responding more to your "further left than Bernie" comment.

I am glad Newsom is tackling the homeless problem.  Until that's cleaned up, there's no chance he can win any kind of national office.  

Why don't you like Shapiro?  Every interview I see him in impresses me.  He seems smart, quick, funny, and down to Earth.  Of course I'd expect you, being a PA resident, to maybe be more in tune than I am.

I love Shapiro. But the progressives would be kicking and screaming if he was the nominee. He’s damn near perfect in my mind.

So stop pandering to the extremists and nominate someone electable! Let Bernie cry about his socialist 1% bullshit. He's a meme. Let the WNBA cry about trans minority athletes needing sex changes for 8 year olds. America doesn't care. If you want to address that shit, do it after you get elected, not as a primary talking point on the campaign.

[PennSpartan]

I love Shapiro. But the progressives would be kicking and screaming if he was the nominee. He’s damn near perfect in my mind.

So stop pandering to the extremists and nominate someone electable! Let Bernie cry about his socialist 1% bullshit. He's a meme. Let the WNBA cry about trans minority athletes needing sex changes for 8 year olds. America doesn't care. If you want to address that shit, do it after you get elected, not as a primary talking point on the campaign.

You haven’t learned, TM. The Democratic Party is here to parent the progressives. To pay their debts, provide daycare for their kids, pay for their healthcare, and anything else Bernie can dream up. They should change the logo from a donkey to a giant teat.

[TravelinMan]

So stop pandering to the extremists and nominate someone electable! Let Bernie cry about his socialist 1% bullshit. He's a meme. Let the WNBA cry about trans minority athletes needing sex changes for 8 year olds. America doesn't care. If you want to address that shit, do it after you get elected, not as a primary talking point on the campaign.

You haven’t learned, TM. The Democratic Party is here to parent the progressives. To pay their debts, provide daycare for their kids, pay for their healthcare, and anything else Bernie can dream up. They should change the logo from a donkey to a giant teat.

Right now, the Dems are seen as a self-righteous, know-it-all, scold. Americans don't want to hear about why they should apologize for their "privilege." Americans don't want to walk past homeless tents on their way to the grocery store. Americans want to drive their pick up trucks and not be made to feel guilty about the environment. People like Pelosi and the Obamas will demand that the rich pay their fair share without a shred of irony. Dems need to stop thinking about how to shove their agendas down American's throats, and start thinking about how to apply their agendas to what Americans will actually elect.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Anyway have an actual primary where people can let you know what kind of candidate people want to vote for and rally around. Don’t have your little dnc favorites that end up being picked and co opting the whole thing, just let it happen organically and the chips will fall where they may.

I think that is part of it.  Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now.  Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy.  Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem?  Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

I always find it interesting how this makes y'all so angry.

[Heat Miser]

Anyway have an actual primary where people can let you know what kind of candidate people want to vote for and rally around. Don’t have your little dnc favorites that end up being picked and co opting the whole thing, just let it happen organically and the chips will fall where they may.

I think that is part of it.  Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now.  Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy.  Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem?  Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

I always find it interesting how this makes y'all so angry.

The truth hurts Bob. People have feelings ya know. How can you be so insensitive?

[TravelinMan]

I think that is part of it.  Dems will throw whatever candidate they want down our throats and tell us we don't have a choice. They just tossed two very unpopular candidates out with the thought of....you have to vote for them or you are bad and Trump will win. It failed them twice now.  Almost a third time.

The other thing is the Dems need to take a step back and assess their strategy.  Catering to every group and whim isn't working for them - at all. Also, calling anyone that disagrees with you a fascist, racist, sexist or privileged white man has failed at an epic level. People are tired of being insulted because they have different views about something. Why should those people vote for a Dem?  Dems have willfully burned those bridges and danced in the glow of the fire.

I always find it interesting how this makes y'all so angry.

More of a shake my head thing than anything else.

If you’re serious (which I doubt) you’re just creating schisms within the group who’s on your side. How does that help?

[sεяεηιτλ]

Man I can't even think about this stuff.  When I start thinking about all the crap that we know is coming over the next 2-4 years, my anxiety just raises.  I'd like to think that at least my company in manufacturing would do better but it's basically a Republican perpetuated myth that they are better for the economy.  And so I'm left with thinking about trump tearing down our institutions and molding this country more into something that will spread and perpetuate right wing values.  I could see religious schools getting a lot more funding, churches being allowed to campaign, crap like that which will strengthen the right long term.  Their main plans are basically to reduce Hispanic birth rates and increase white birth rates. That's the collective goal of the deportation and anti abortion efforts. To not be out numbered and it's despicable. Its all so overwhelming.  I think I need to just take a step back and be a good citizen and watch TV shows, ya know, Netflix and chill.  Forget about all the bad shit they are doing.

[sεяεηιτλ]

Will be lucky to have one

There will be one.

How the playing field is tilted will be the question.

My guess is after four years there will not be a MSM outlet or WEB site supplier who will allow any free speech or criticism of Republicans

Your guesses have been awful though

[sεяεηιτλ]

I know, right?  Dems need to follow the Republican moral high ground and not insult people.

If Dems want to claim to be better then Pubs, then they need to actually BE better.

Insulting people isn't the issue. Trump has been doing that for 8 years. He branded us all the enemy within. You don't come back from that. Its on. He did this, not us. Time to play dirty in every facet.

[NigelUno]

My guess is the next Dem nominee is not currently on anyone's radar.

I would think Newsom has to be the early favorite. I don't see Michelle Obama running.

Cuban kind of stuck his nose in the arena this time. I wonder if he would consider it.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I always find it interesting how this makes y'all so angry.

More of a shake my head thing than anything else.

If you’re serious (which I doubt) you’re just creating schisms within the group who’s on your side. How does that help?

it's just an observation.

y'all are the big, tough, truck-drivin', gun-totin' patriots but you get your feelings hurt when some idiot like me just has an observation.

[Pervis Muldoon]

So stop pandering to the extremists and nominate someone electable! Let Bernie cry about his socialist 1% bullshit. He's a meme. Let the WNBA cry about trans minority athletes needing sex changes for 8 year olds. America doesn't care. If you want to address that shit, do it after you get elected, not as a primary talking point on the campaign.

You haven’t learned, TM. The Democratic Party is here to parent the progressives. To pay their debts, provide daycare for their kids, pay for their healthcare, and anything else Bernie can dream up. They should change the logo from a donkey to a giant teat.

Aren’t you on Medicare?

[PennSpartan]

You haven’t learned, TM. The Democratic Party is here to parent the progressives. To pay their debts, provide daycare for their kids, pay for their healthcare, and anything else Bernie can dream up. They should change the logo from a donkey to a giant teat.

Aren’t you on Medicare?

Sure. But I paid for it. Still do. Premiums every quarter.

[Heat Miser]

My guess is the next Dem nominee is not currently on anyone's radar.

I would think Newsom has to be the early favorite. I don't see Michelle Obama running.

Cuban kind of stuck his nose in the arena this time. I wonder if he would consider it.

Newsom is poison. They don't even like him in California anymore. Although I suppose things could change in 4 years.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

This thread is the equivalent of way too early power rankings the day after a championship is finalized. 

Only good for looking back on and saying lol wtf. Speaking of 

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t19280-toffical-michael-avenatti-2020-thread?highlight=Avenatti

[PennSpartan]

I would think Newsom has to be the early favorite. I don't see Michelle Obama running.

Cuban kind of stuck his nose in the arena this time. I wonder if he would consider it.

Newsom is poison. They don't even like him in California anymore. Although I suppose things could change in 4 years.

Okay, Shapiro then. Thanks for the advice.

[Pervis Muldoon]

Aren’t you on Medicare?

Sure. But I paid for it. Still do. Premiums every quarter.

Government subsidized. So you pay less than working people.

[NigelUno]

I would think Newsom has to be the early favorite. I don't see Michelle Obama running.

Cuban kind of stuck his nose in the arena this time. I wonder if he would consider it.

Newsom is poison. They don't even like him in California anymore. Although I suppose things could change in 4 years.

Oh. I have no idea. I just thought he's always been considered the next guy.

I'm sure there are plenty of people in both parties whose future plans changed on Tuesday. The opportunity is there.

[Robert J Sakimano]

whoever it is, it'll have to be a white male.

why:

2016: the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon defeats a white female.

2020: the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon loses to a white male.

2024: the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon defeats a female of color.

not only is America stupid country, but it's a racist misogynistic one, as well.

[NigelUno]

Sure. But I paid for it. Still do. Premiums every quarter.

Government subsidized. So you pay less than working people.

Are you trying to ruin his day?

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