The far left progressives have to be isolated and eliminated.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Ya boi Phillepe should probably spend some time working on campaigns in places like Vermont where maybe he can get a single win under his belt before he tells anyone else his opinion on how to win campaigns

Leave it to Progressives to put the blame on one guy who barely had any involvement.  But Bernie (Tim Walz endorser) gets a free pass.

I’m blaming him? 

No, I’m saying dwags is stupid for thinking his opinion means anything. So are you. 

I think I’ve been pretty clear that I am primarily blaming Biden because if he looks at the polling that has him getting utterly destroyed in 2022 then we aren’t stuck with the dogshit team we ended up with

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Leave it to Progressives to put the blame on one guy who barely had any involvement.  But Bernie (Tim Walz endorser) gets a free pass.

I’m blaming him? 

No, I’m saying dwags is stupid for thinking his opinion means anything. So are you. 

I think I’ve been pretty clear that I am primarily blaming Biden because if he looks at the polling that has him getting utterly destroyed in 2022 then we aren’t stuck with the dogshit team we ended up with

Dems should have convinced him to step down two years ago. But they didn’t. I don’t know why. I think Joe had too much pride to quit. Republicans would have eaten him for lunch if he hinted he wasn’t up to the job.

Heat Miser wrote:Fun fact:

There were more than 5 million small business startups in 2023. There were more than 130 million votes cast. If you're doing the math at home, this "genius" $50k tax credit for first time small businesses plan would effect less than 5% of the electorate. Half of which, no doubt, would be Pubs who aren't going to vote for her anyway. And as we all should know, the vast majority of small businesses fail. So this genius plan is a money pit. As opposed to something like medicare for all, which effects 100% of the electorate. Wind in His Hair would say bad fucking trade. Fucking morons.

But I'm sure some idiot consultant told her she could swipe 37 on the fence Pubs with this genius plan.

Medicare for all could be a winning idea, but a candidate would have to go strong with it. Never waver. Too many Democrats bring it up, but then back down the minute someone says, “Socialism!”

The majority of working people have sat in the company conference room or watched on zoom every year as the company rolls out the new insurance options for next year - and they get worse and more expensive every year. It would be easy to rile up the voters with that issue.

And when you’re asked how much will you raise taxes to create Medicare for all, you say zero. The health and increased productivity and additional discretionary income would supercharge the economy and more than pay for the cost. Is that true? No. But Republicans say shit like that all the time. Do not acknowledge a single possible negative consequence of anything you propose.

The good news is Bob Casey’s campaign advisor is now 0-2 against

Ron Johnson
Bob McCormick

So yeah.

Heat Miser wrote:

DWags wrote:



Sounds like a split locker room that thinks one part of the team is more important than the other parts. I wouldn’t want to coach that team

Tell Kenneth Walker how important his line was.

Who made who?    We either start thinking or acting as one and compromise our various positions or else our next nominee will do great in the primaries but in the general election he’ll get caught whacking it on a phone in some hotel and we’ll lose again.

You missed the point. Don't ignore your fucking base. Lose the base and you're fucked.

P.S. if you're expecting a generational talent to save your ass every 4 years because you ignored the base...you're fucked.

P.S.S. you're point about compromise is valid. Kamala basically told the base to pound sand. Is that compromise???

I don't think she told them to pound sand, they were just obsessed with walking lines between groups, playing it way too safe to try and not piss off any one group too much. There's a way to play it in a way that pleases everyone and they ended up failing

Cameron wrote:[tw]1854976668504371497[/tw]

JFC. Please tell me there’s missing context.

Cameron wrote:[tw]1854976668504371497[/tw]

He’s half right, Cam.

2009 Pennsylvania
51% registered Dem
36% registered GOP

2024 Pennsylvania
44% registered Dem
40% registered GOP

Only losing, not gaining. Even Fetterman has moved to the right.

Cameron wrote:[tw]1854976668504371497[/tw]

First step is removing everyone in any type of leadership role. They’ve had their chance to target republicans for a decade. It’s failed. It doesn’t work. Dwags likes his sports metaphors so you don’t stick with the coach for a decade that can’t get it done and stays slavishly devoted to their failed tactics

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Cameron wrote:[tw]1854976668504371497[/tw]

First step is removing everyone in any type of leadership role. They’ve had their chance to target republicans for a decade. It’s failed. It doesn’t work. Dwags likes his sports metaphors so you don’t stick with the coach for a decade that can’t get it done and stays slavishly devoted to their failed tactics staff

Loyalist. Fanboy loyalist. They are the worst.

Biden legacy is Trump
Ginsbergs legacy is Amy Coney Barrett
Feinstein legacy is halting the judiciary committee confirming judges

I'm old enough to remember that the pundits said Democrats would never win another Presidential Election in mid November 1972.
Nixon won 520 Electoral College votes in '72
Reagan won in 1980 with 489 and again in '84 with 525
Bush 1 won in '88 with 426 Democrats were DOA Again

But in '92 Clinton won with 370 and again in '96 with 379
Obama won 2 terms in '08 with 365 and in 2012 with 332.

Democrats and the GOP have shown an ability to adjust. Like it or not The Trump Campaign did a lot better job of reading the room in each state. For example, condemning EV's while his biggest contributor (Musk) has moved Tesla production to Texas and battery production to Nevada two states. Nevada is a very heavy service industry state with about 18% over 65 so no taxes on tips and SS was catnip to folks working in casino/resorts and retirees.

Democrats won't go away but with the US population skewing towards more folks without a 4 years or 2 year degrees they can't just not talk about things. Otherwise we'll see things like a millionaire car dealer win in Ohio portraying himself as a man of the people winning their votes across all demographics.

Heat Miser wrote:
P.S.S. your point about compromise is valid. Kamala basically told the base to pound sand. Is that compromise???

No, it’s not.

Here again is only anecdotal evidence, but I do have white old male friends (probably not going to hang with them much anymore) that didn’t want to vote for her, so they voted for Trump, which is asinine.


Example: Last night I was out to dinner with my wife and two other couples. One guy is a retired vice president at Ford CFO He is about his liberal as they came, which is funny because of how well off he is. His daughter helps write policy in DC for Democrats When we get together, we rarely talk politics because it’s just better that way. So last night he says, “ Have you been to New York or Chicago lately? You going to the major stores like target, or Whatever, and everything is behind glass and locked up, “. Then he says, I don’t know why so many peoples switched and voted for Trump, but I have a feeling if stuff like that that makes people shy away from the Democratic Party”.

Here’s my question again, Why in the fuck is that shit pinned on the Democratic Party? What if we done or sad that makes the perception in America that we are more tolerant of crime? His daughter is a big Democrat in DC working for the Democratic Party He says shit like that

Everybody knows that perception is reality. I’m just so frustrated. How do we get it to the point that stuff like transgender people and sports, which is really a bullshit topic anyway that affects nobody, Or shit like gangs, running into store and stealing a bunch of stuff and running out, Isn’t pinned on our party?


This next part is my opinion, but I believe the slogan defund the police Made it easy for them to pin that kind of stuff on our party. That’s my opinion only. And we can say that America is stupid and that they shouldn’t pin that on us, but they do.


We have to figure something out. I can’t believe people voted for him I’m still in the state of shock I guarantee you if anything goes wrong with our economy or with our freedoms the Republicans will get the message out that somehow the party that’s not in power it’s their fault And that’s just my paranoia

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Cameron wrote:[tw]1854976668504371497[/tw]

First step is removing everyone in any type of leadership role. They’ve had their chance to target republicans for a decade. It’s failed. It doesn’t work. Dwags likes his sports metaphors so you don’t stick with the coach for a decade that can’t get it done and stays slavishly devoted to their failed tactics

I thought we won the 2020 election and then I thought we did historically well in the midterms in 2022. Maybe I’m off on that. But yeah, yeah, I think we need to shake things up absolutely.


By the way, I’m not the one who brought up the sports metaphor first. But whatever Travis.

DWags, the GOP adviser (who incorrectly predicted a narrow Harris win) and a few other folks I know who are political science profs from both sides all have said this stuff started with Reagan and the us (working suburban and rural voters) vs them (those living in urban areas). Trump has amplified that message since he declared in Jun 2015 and it never stopped.

That's why Trump trashed Detroit in his MI appearances IN Detroit. Its them (poor minorities) vs us (white and still poor).

However the locked up cases in retail are all over including Walmarts and Targets in Silicon Valley.

Reagans race based politics were revived and super charged with Trump who will say anything to anyone if there are votes to be had.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
First step is removing everyone in any type of leadership role. They’ve had their chance to target republicans for a decade. It’s failed. It doesn’t work. Dwags likes his sports metaphors so you don’t stick with the coach for a decade that can’t get it done and stays slavishly devoted to their failed tactics

I thought we won the 2020 election and then I thought we did historically well in the midterms in 2022.   Maybe I’m off on that.   But yeah, yeah, I think we need to shake things up absolutely.  


By the way, I’m not the one who brought up the sports metaphor first.   But whatever Travis.  

By the absolute skin of our teeth against a dude that told people to inject bleach and take horse pills. And running a more populist campaign than in either 2016 or 2024. Whoa, fun how that works.

By the way, and I’m not going to back down on this- asking that the police murder fewer people is not a bad stance and if you disagree with that then honestly maybe we really can’t be in the same party. I also think that trans people have a right to exist. 

“Defund the police” is a right wing smear, similar to calling everything in the world socialist. But on its merits, it’s not necessarily bad policy. There are better ways to handle someone having a mental breakdown on the street than sending armed police officers that aren’t trained to handle this situations without murdering. No one can talk about what it actually means though, because the party is too scared of right wing attacks, better to pretend that it doesn’t exist then explain why it’s not really a bad idea, and also that it doesn’t mean get rid of police entirely- just not rely on them for literally everything all the time. When I get in a car accident do I actually need an armed police officer to come write a report or can someone else, who isn’t capable of being insulted to the point of murder, handle that? It’s not a bad idea to address a problem.

And I don’t know who has brought up sports metaphors first but you are the one that has said Monday morning quarterbacking 77 times despite being shown that it makes no sense.

DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:
P.S.S. your point about compromise is valid. Kamala basically told the base to pound sand. Is that compromise???

No, it’s not.

Here again is only anecdotal evidence, but I do have white old male friends (probably not going to hang with them much anymore) that didn’t want to vote for her, so they voted for Trump, which is asinine.


Example: Last night I was out to dinner with my wife and two other couples. One guy is a retired vice president at Ford CFO He is about his liberal as they came, which is funny because of how well off he is. His daughter helps write policy in DC for Democrats When we get together, we rarely talk politics because it’s just better that way. So last night he says, “ Have you been to New York or Chicago lately? You going to the major stores like target, or Whatever, and everything is behind glass and locked up, “. Then he says, I don’t know why so many peoples switched and voted for Trump, but I have a feeling if stuff like that that makes people shy away from the Democratic Party”.

Here’s my question again, Why in the fuck is that shit pinned on the Democratic Party? What if we done or sad that makes the perception in America that we are more tolerant of crime? His daughter is a big Democrat in DC working for the Democratic Party He says shit like that

Everybody knows that perception is reality. I’m just so frustrated. How do we get it to the point that stuff like transgender people and sports, which is really a bullshit topic anyway that affects nobody, Or shit like gangs, running into store and stealing a bunch of stuff and running out, Isn’t pinned on our party?


This next part is my opinion, but I believe the slogan defund the police Made it easy for them to pin that kind of stuff on our party. That’s my opinion only. And we can say that America is stupid and that they shouldn’t pin that on us, but they do.


We have to figure something out. I can’t believe people voted for him I’m still in the state of shock I guarantee you if anything goes wrong with our economy or with our freedoms the Republicans will get the message out that somehow the party that’s not in power it’s their fault And that’s just my paranoia

Dems in general are shitty at messaging. Plain and simple.

GRR Spartan wrote:DWags, the GOP adviser (who incorrectly predicted a narrow Harris win) and a few other folks I know who are political science profs from both sides all have said this stuff started with Reagan and the us (working suburban and rural voters) vs them (those living in urban areas). Trump has amplified that message since he declared in Jun 2015 and it never stopped.

That's why Trump trashed Detroit in his MI appearances IN Detroit. Its them (poor minorities) vs us (white and still poor).

However the locked up cases in retail are all over including Walmarts and Targets in Silicon Valley.

Reagans race based politics were revived and super charged with Trump who will say anything to anyone if there are votes to be had.

Told my wife when he said it, “he doesn’t have to win Detroit, he has to win Michigan”

Frustrating, but how do we make inroads?

Heat Miser wrote:

DWags wrote:


No, it’s not.

Here again is only anecdotal evidence, but I do have white old male friends (probably not going to hang with them much anymore) that didn’t want to vote for her, so they voted for Trump, which is asinine.


Example: Last night I was out to dinner with my wife and two other couples. One guy is a retired vice president at Ford CFO He is about his liberal as they came, which is funny because of how well off he is. His daughter helps write policy in DC for Democrats When we get together, we rarely talk politics because it’s just better that way. So last night he says, “ Have you been to New York or Chicago lately? You going to the major stores like target, or Whatever, and everything is behind glass and locked up, “. Then he says, I don’t know why so many peoples switched and voted for Trump, but I have a feeling if stuff like that that makes people shy away from the Democratic Party”.

Here’s my question again, Why in the fuck is that shit pinned on the Democratic Party? What if we done or sad that makes the perception in America that we are more tolerant of crime? His daughter is a big Democrat in DC working for the Democratic Party He says shit like that

Everybody knows that perception is reality. I’m just so frustrated. How do we get it to the point that stuff like transgender people and sports, which is really a bullshit topic anyway that affects nobody, Or shit like gangs, running into store and stealing a bunch of stuff and running out, Isn’t pinned on our party?


This next part is my opinion, but I believe the slogan defund the police Made it easy for them to pin that kind of stuff on our party. That’s my opinion only. And we can say that America is stupid and that they shouldn’t pin that on us, but they do.


We have to figure something out. I can’t believe people voted for him I’m still in the state of shock I guarantee you if anything goes wrong with our economy or with our freedoms the Republicans will get the message out that somehow the party that’s not in power it’s their fault And that’s just my paranoia

Dems in general are shitty at messaging. Plain and simple.

True that.

You don’t even not want to know what Pelosi is now saying about Biden and Harris Just saw it on CNN She feels that if Biden didn’t immediately endorse Harris, that we would’ve had another candidate running I don’t know if that’s true or not

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Heat Miser wrote:[tw]1855253241807671436[/tw]

And test the republicans can say people are eating dogs and an ugly transgender guy is playing hoops with a girls hs bball team and win the day.


Why do we get tagged with this shit?

DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

Dems in general are shitty at messaging. Plain and simple.

True that.

You don’t even not want to know what Pelosi is now saying about Biden and Harris Just saw it on CNN She feels that if Biden didn’t immediately endorse Harris, that we would’ve had another candidate running I don’t know if that’s true or not

Pelosi is correct.

TravelinMan wrote:

DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

Dems in general are shitty at messaging. Plain and simple.

True that.

You don’t even not want to know what Pelosi is now saying about Biden and Harris Just saw it on CNN She feels that if Biden didn’t immediately endorse Harris, that we would’ve had another candidate running I don’t know if that’s true or not

Pelosi is correct.

Then Nancy should've said something at the time. Whining about it after the fact is rather pathetic.

Heat Miser wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Pelosi is correct.

Then Nancy should've said something at the time. Whining about it after the fact is rather pathetic.

She'd have torn the party apart had she done so. It took about 36 hours from Pudding Brains resigning to Kamala claiming the nomination. For Pelosi to have come in after that and demanded an open primary.... that just wouldn't have worked.

TravelinMan wrote:

DWags wrote:


True that.

You don’t even not want to know what Pelosi is now saying about Biden and Harris Just saw it on CNN She feels that if Biden didn’t immediately endorse Harris, that we would’ve had another candidate running I don’t know if that’s true or not

Pelosi is correct.

Everyone is running away from knitting Biden in the back now.

One poster on this board thought it a bad idea from the gitgo.

It was also reported that the whole deal was about the billionaires refusing to fund any Democratic candidates because Biden was working on enforcement of antitrust for the first time since Reagan & about a big tax increase on the billionaires if he was given a second term. Both policies which would have been good for the country.

TravelinMan wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Pelosi is correct.

Then Nancy should've said something at the time. Whining about it after the fact is rather pathetic.

She'd have torn the party apart had she done so. It took about 36 hours from Pudding Brains resigning to Kamala claiming the nomination. For Pelosi to have come in after that and demanded an open primary.... that just wouldn't have worked.

Then she should STFU with the coulda/woulda/shoulda BS.

The facts are that Harris had great momentum going into the DNC. Trump's lead was basically erased. Then they inexplicably ran it into the ground with the republican lite strategy. Dumb fucks.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Pelosi is correct.

Everyone is running away from knitting Biden in the back now.

One poster on this board thought it a bad idea from the gitgo.

It was also reported that the whole deal was about the billionaires refusing to fund any Democratic candidates because Biden was working on enforcement of antitrust for the first time since Reagan & about a big tax increase on the billionaires if he was given a second term. Both policies which would have been good for the country.

No one is sad about getting rid of Pudding Brains. They're sad that they didn't do it sooner.

Cameron wrote:[tw]1854976668504371497[/tw]

Truly unbelievable.

Dem Insiders Begged Team Harris Not to Campaign With Liz Cheney

DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

Dems in general are shitty at messaging. Plain and simple.

True that.

You don’t even not want to know what Pelosi is now saying about Biden and Harris Just saw it on CNN She feels that if Biden didn’t immediately endorse Harris, that we would’ve had another candidate running I don’t know if that’s true or not

I think she’s right, and that doesn’t seem like complaining or second-guessing to me. I’d have to get the full context, but it looks like she’s just saying that the idea was to have Biden endorse Harris immediately to avoid an inter-party fight.

DWags wrote:Yeah I said it. Here is my Monday morning quarterbacking.

We should not have pandered one iota to these ass hats. Fuck every last one of them.

Leave the party, take your pronouns with you. Stop calling yourself democrats and take blame for giving us a fascist president.


Representative Torres.

Donald Trump has no greater friend than the far left, which has managed to alienate historic numbers of Latinos, Blacks, Asians, and Jews from the Democratic Party with absurdities like “Defund the Police” or “From the River to the Sea” or “Latinx.”

There is more to lose than there is to gain politically from pandering to a far left that is more representative of Twitter, Twitch, and TikTok than it is of the real world. The working class is not buying the ivory-towered nonsense that the far left is selling.



I get your passion. Create your own party.

Speaking the truth. Party has a long history of hippies, yippies, and radical socialist justice warriors that will never vote dem anyway. Every cycle they will hold the party hostage demanding the party earn their vote. You can’t win the non college educated working class voter over with these clowns. I hate hippies needs trend again.

Heat Miser wrote:Dem Insiders Begged Team Harris Not to Campaign With Liz Cheney

The trans ad and Tampon Tim did more damage than standing with Liz Cheney. Even though they improved their messaging they couldn’t get the stench of woke off this campaign.

steveschneider wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:Dem Insiders Begged Team Harris Not to Campaign With Liz Cheney

The trans ad and Tampon Tim did more damage than standing with Liz Cheney. Even though they improved their messaging they couldn’t get the stench of woke off this campaign.

The Progressives are losing their minds that Harris talked to a Republican. But she was supposed to coddle Palestine. SMH

PennSpartan wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

The trans ad and Tampon Tim did more damage than standing with Liz Cheney. Even though they improved their messaging they couldn’t get the stench of woke off this campaign.

The Progressives are losing their minds that Harris talked to a Republican. But she was supposed to coddle Palestine. SMH

Pointing out the stupidly of campaigning with an anti abortion Republican isn’t losing your mind. She couldn’t even be bothered to vote on the bill to protect a woman’s right to abortion.

Closing your campaign hand and hand with Liz Cheney? Now that’s losing your mind.

PennSpartan wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

The trans ad and Tampon Tim did more damage than standing with Liz Cheney. Even though they improved their messaging they couldn’t  get the stench of woke off this campaign.

The Progressives are losing their minds that Harris talked to a Republican.  But she was supposed to coddle Palestine.  SMH

You know she lost right

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
The Progressives are losing their minds that Harris talked to a Republican.  But she was supposed to coddle Palestine.  SMH

You know she lost right

I’m sure she would have won if she was a champion for Gaza.

Fine.

Let’s give Harris every vote Biden got in six swing states in 2020

Pennsylvania: Biden 2020 3,458,229 Trump 2024 3,511,865

Georgia: Biden 2020 2,473,633 Trump 2024 2,660,655

Michigan: Biden 2020 2,804,040 Trump 2024 2,809,330

Wisconsin: Biden 2020: 1,630,866 Trump 2024 1,697,514

Arizona: Biden 2020 1,672, 143 Trump 2024 1,575,300

Nevada: Biden 2020 703, 486 Trump: 728, 289

IT,s tHE PRoggRreSSives FAUlt

kingstonlake wrote:Fine.

Let’s give Harris every vote Biden got in six swing states in 2020

Pennsylvania: Biden 2020 3,458,229 Trump 2024 3,511,865

Georgia: Biden 2020 2,473,633 Trump 2024 2,660,655

Michigan: Biden 2020 2,804,040 Trump 2024 2,809,330

Wisconsin: Biden 2020: 1,630,866 Trump 2024 1,697,514

Arizona: Biden 2020 1,672, 143 Trump 2024 1,575,300

Nevada: Biden 2020 703, 486 Trump: 728, 289

IT,s tHE PRoggRreSSives FAUlt

Seems to me to be a good illustration of how Trump & his campaign were outstanding politically.

All the "blame the Democratics" crowd keeps ignoring this, Trump et al are very good at campaigning.