Re: The deportation thread.

[sεяεηιτλ]

is it for a pet or for eating?

I don't think we're going to be affording pets in the Trump economy.

What ever do you mean? Republicans always equal better economy

[TravelinMan]

is it for a pet or for eating?

I don't think we're going to be affording pets in the Trump economy.

[NigelUno]

Fun fact: the entire US prison population is 1.8 million.

If you think the logistics of mass deporting 20 million people isn't going to be astronomically expensive, and more importantly horrifically cruel & inhumane, then you're deluding yourself. Then there's the economic impact on industries that rely heavily on illegal labor (construction, fruit picking, meat processing, etc.)

But that's what the people want, so let's get on with it & don't do it half assed.

If your businesses' economy is dependent upon cheap, illegal labor, perhaps you don't deserve to be running that business? Dems are all for a living wage and pro union jobs, and are now crying about the lack of cheap illegal labor? GTFO.

I think the point is going over your head.

As a sidenote (or maybe not)...there are businesses and corporations in the US (and all over the world) which depend on cheap labor, and who have shareholders (public and/or private) who benefit from that.

I know that's not exactly rocket science, but seems like it has to be mentioned...over and over again.

[TravelinMan]

If your businesses' economy is dependent upon cheap, illegal labor, perhaps you don't deserve to be running that business? Dems are all for a living wage and pro union jobs, and are now crying about the lack of cheap illegal labor? GTFO.

I think the point is going over your head.

As a sidenote (or maybe not)...there are businesses and corporations in the US (and all over the world) which depend on cheap labor, and who have shareholders (public and/or private) who benefit from that.

I know that's not exactly rocket science, but seems like it has to be mentioned...over and over again.

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

[PennSpartan]

I think the point is going over your head.

As a sidenote (or maybe not)...there are businesses and corporations in the US (and all over the world) which depend on cheap labor, and who have shareholders (public and/or private) who benefit from that.

I know that's not exactly rocket science, but seems like it has to be mentioned...over and over again.

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

The only benefit I’m seeing with migrants is “cheap labor”, which I thought Democrats were against.

[TravelinMan]

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

The only benefit I’m seeing with migrants is “cheap labor”, which I thought Democrats were against.

Doesn't seem very pro-union or living wage, now does it?

[Heat Miser]

If your businesses' economy is dependent upon cheap, illegal labor, perhaps you don't deserve to be running that business? Dems are all for a living wage and pro union jobs, and are now crying about the lack of cheap illegal labor? GTFO.

I think the point is going over your head.

As a sidenote (or maybe not)...there are businesses and corporations in the US (and all over the world) which depend on cheap labor, and who have shareholders (public and/or private) who benefit from that.

I know that's not exactly rocket science, but seems like it has to be mentioned...over and over again.

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

They tried that in Alabama a few years back. They passed a law holding corporations accountable for employing illegals. The law was quietly repealed when they couldn't find enough people do the shitty jobs that lazy white people don't want to do...like picking watermelons.

[PennSpartan]

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

They tried that in Alabama a few years back. They passed a law holding corporations accountable for employing illegals. The law was quietly repealed when they couldn't find enough people do the shitty jobs that lazy white people don't want to do...like picking watermelons.

So at least you admit the only reason you want the migrants is for the shitty jobs. Thank you for the candor.

[Heat Miser]

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

The only benefit I’m seeing with migrants is “cheap labor”, which I thought Democrats were against.

Doesn't seem very pro-union or living wage, now does it?

We are not for cheap labor. We are for documenting these people and allowing them to participate legally in the work force.

The Pubs are absolutely for cheap labor however. And deporting 20 million illegals is very much the opposite to that position. That is the point I was making for those who are clearly having trouble figuring it out.

[MiamiSpartan]

Fun fact: the entire US prison population is 1.8 million.

If you think the logistics of mass deporting 20 million people isn't going to be astronomically expensive, and more importantly horrifically cruel & inhumane, then you're deluding yourself. Then there's the economic impact on industries that rely heavily on illegal labor (construction, fruit picking, meat processing, etc.)

But that's what the people want, so let's get on with it & don't do it half assed.

So, here is my thought on what these assholes plan on doing.  I beleive they will make it tough, they will make it loud, they will show scenes of horrific violence and there will be deaths.  This will last for two or three months and it will have an effect of slowing down incoming traffic and it might have the effect of people self deporting.  

Only my opinion on what those assholes train of thought is.  

Yeah, I mentioned this the other day, but most of us, including Trump, can mot even fathom the resources required to implement a mass deportation on the scale he's talking about.  Imagine tracking people down in every corner of the country, after they've had 2.5 months head start to get away from the places where they and their status is known.

And if they really did what it took (full gestapo-like efforts), I think that's when you'd see a lot of push back even from Republican members of Congress.  It's all a bunch of great talking points until you start getting the blood of thousands of people on your hands.

I think they focus on those with violent criminal records and make a big show of it, and then let people assume it's continuing when it's not to any large extent.

[Heat Miser]

So crack down on them! If they so obviously and knowingly use illegal labor - fine them out of business. Guns, immigration, labor - uphold the existing laws on the books and then see how much of a problem you have left afterwards before coming up with other new "great" ideas.

They tried that in Alabama a few years back. They passed a law holding corporations accountable for employing illegals. The law was quietly repealed when they couldn't find enough people do the shitty jobs that lazy white people don't want to do...like picking watermelons.

So at least you admit the only reason you want the migrants is for the shitty jobs. Thank you for the candor.

Somebody has to do it. They're willing to do it. What's the problem?

[NigelUno]

So at least you admit the only reason you want the migrants is for the shitty jobs. Thank you for the candor.

Somebody has to do it. They're willing to do it. What's the problem?

Are those 2 really missing the point?

I kinda think they are.

[PennSpartan]

So at least you admit the only reason you want the migrants is for the shitty jobs. Thank you for the candor.

Somebody has to do it. They're willing to do it. What's the problem?

I’d rather keep them out and force the corporations to raise their wages. A glut of labor will force wages down, not up.

[NigelUno]

The only benefit I’m seeing with migrants is “cheap labor”, which I thought Democrats were against.

Doesn't seem very pro-union or living wage, now does it?

Big business is for cheap labor. Shareholders like profit.

Again...not rocket science.

[Heat Miser]

So at least you admit the only reason you want the migrants is for the shitty jobs. Thank you for the candor.

Somebody has to do it. They're willing to do it. What's the problem?

I’d rather keep them out and force the corporations to raise their wages. A glut of labor will force wages down, not up.

In my example, it wasn't because the lazy white people weren't paid enough. They had to be paid legal wages as required by law. You know...because they were legal citizens. They just physically weren't willing/able to do the work. The ones that showed up could barely make it thru one day.

[PennSpartan]

Doesn't seem very pro-union or living wage, now does it?

Big business is for cheap labor. Shareholders like profit.

Again...not rocket science.

So you support big business instead of labor? You’re a Dem?

[PennSpartan]

I’d rather keep them out and force the corporations to raise their wages. A glut of labor will force wages down, not up.

In my example, it wasn't because the lazy white people weren't paid enough. They had to be paid legal wages as required by law. You know...because they were legal citizens. They just physically weren't willing/able to do the work. The ones that showed up could barely make it thru one day.

I’d rather see the lily white ones who can’t pay their college debt picking those melons. Let them work it off. Trump isn’t giving them debt forgiveness.

[Heat Miser]

I’d rather keep them out and force the corporations to raise their wages.  A glut of labor will force wages down, not up.

In my example, it wasn't because the lazy white people weren't paid enough. They had to be paid legal wages as required by law. You know...because they were legal citizens. They just physically weren't willing/able to do the work. The ones that showed up could barely make it thru one day.

I’d rather see the lily white ones who can’t pay their college debt picking those melons.  Let them work it off.  Trump isn’t giving them debt forgiveness.

Oooh...so now you're into forced labor? Nice! Fits right into the new fascist normal. I'm sure there's a place for you in the Trump admin.

Maybe we can use the trains to ship those lazy college fucks down to Alabama & set up some work camps.

[TravelinMan]

Somebody has to do it. They're willing to do it. What's the problem?

Are those 2 really missing the point?

I kinda think they are.

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

[Heat Miser]

Somebody has to do it. They're willing to do it. What's the problem?

Are those 2 really missing the point?

I kinda think they are.

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

No Dem is saying that. Again, what's being pointed out is the Pub hypocrisy. They can't have it both ways. They can't deport all the illegals and still have cheap labor, lower prices, lower inflation, etc. Get it now?

[TravelinMan]

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

No Dem is saying that. Again, what's being pointed out is the Pub hypocrisy. They can't have it both ways. They can't deport all the illegals and still have cheap labor, lower prices, lower inflation, etc. Get it now?

Not really. They said they're going to deport them. Seems like they made up their mind on the matter.

[Heat Miser]

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

No Dem is saying that. Again, what's being pointed out is the Pub hypocrisy. They can't have it both ways. They can't deport all the illegals and still have cheap labor, lower prices, lower inflation, etc. Get it now?

Not really. They said they're going to deport them. Seems like they made up their mind on the matter.

Exactly. And I want them to folllow thru with it completely so they can experience the consequences.

[TravelinMan]

Not really. They said they're going to deport them. Seems like they made up their mind on the matter.

Exactly. And I want them to folllow thru with it completely so they can experience the consequences.

Cool. So you should be happy on all accounts then?

[Heat Miser]

Not really. They said they're going to deport them. Seems like they made up their mind on the matter.

Exactly. And I want them to folllow thru with it completely so they can experience the consequences.

Cool. So you should be happy on all accounts then?

Yes. Pretty much. Schadenfreude. The people have spoken. Give them what they want and let's see how they like it.

[sεяεηιτλ]

Are those 2 really missing the point?

I kinda think they are.

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

Not true, living wages are variable based on expectations. If a Mexican can walk in via Joe biden's open border policy, get a job at a farm and live adequately enough to want to stay and maybe even start a family, who's to say that's not a fine living wage for that person? It was their choice and they could go back. Now let's move to a McDonald's in Seattle, well the surrounding area is so expensive to live in perhaps the minimum living wage would be 17 dollars an hour? If you want to have a McDonald's there with workers, that's what you would have to pay. There's also the other side beyond geographic reasons, that a Mexican and a regular US citizen might not have the same expectations of life. The US citizen likely wants to work 8 hrs 5 days a week, smoke some weed and chill watching Netflix or any other streaming service. In addition to eating, that's a minimum expectation for life. To the Mexican they might make far less than even the McDonald's worker but expectations for life are vastly different. No need for Netflix, or the internet, give him a pay by the minute flip phone and some change for the occasional drink and he might be fine.

[TravelinMan]

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

Not true, living wages are variable based on expectations. If a Mexican can walk in via Joe biden's open border policy, get a job at a farm and live adequately enough to want to stay and maybe even start a family, who's to say that's not a fine living wage for that person? It was their choice and they could go back. Now let's move to a McDonald's in Seattle, well the surrounding area is so expensive to live in perhaps the minimum living wage would be 17 dollars an hour? If you want to have a McDonald's there with workers, that's what you would have to pay. There's also the other side beyond geographic reasons, that a Mexican and a regular US citizen might not have the same expectations of life. The US citizen likely wants to work 8 hrs 5 days a week, smoke some weed and chill watching Netflix or any other streaming service. In addition to eating, that's a minimum expectation for life. To the Mexican they might make far less than even the McDonald's worker but expectations for life are vastly different. No need for Netflix, or the internet, give him a pay by the minute flip phone and some change for the occasional drink and he might be fine.

Jesus Christ. Racist much?

So it's OK for the illegals and if they don't like it, they can find something else or move, but every 16 year white kid in rural America FUCKING DESERVES $21 an hour for flipping burgers? Are you fucking serious?

[PennSpartan]

I’d rather see the lily white ones who can’t pay their college debt picking those melons.  Let them work it off.  Trump isn’t giving them debt forgiveness.

Oooh...so now you're into forced labor? Nice! Fits right into the new fascist normal. I'm sure there's a place for you in the Trump admin.

Maybe we can use the trains to ship those lazy college fucks down to Alabama & set up some work camps.

Please point out where I said forced labor. You definitely have all the characteristics of a lib.

[sεяεηιτλ]

Not true, living wages are variable based on expectations.  If a Mexican can walk in via Joe biden's open border policy, get a job at a farm and live adequately enough to want to stay and maybe even start a family, who's to say that's not a fine living wage for that person?  It was their choice and they could go back.  Now let's move to a McDonald's in Seattle, well the surrounding area is so expensive to live in perhaps the minimum living wage would be 17 dollars an hour?  If you want to have a McDonald's there with workers, that's what you would have to pay.  There's also the other side beyond geographic reasons, that a Mexican and a regular US citizen might not have the same expectations of life.  The US citizen likely wants to work 8 hrs 5 days a week, smoke some weed and chill watching Netflix or any other streaming service.  In addition to eating, that's a minimum expectation for life.  To the Mexican they might make far less than even the McDonald's worker but expectations for life are vastly different.  No need for Netflix,  or the internet, give him a pay by the minute flip phone and some change for the occasional drink and he might be fine.

Jesus Christ.  Racist much?

So it's OK for the illegals and if they don't like it, they can find something else or move, but every 16 year white kid in rural America FUCKING DESERVES $21 an hour for flipping burgers?  Are you fucking serious?

No, I never said any of that.  I know I wrote a lot but jeez man.

The TLDR is a living wage is in the eye of the beholder.  The most obvious reasons would be based on locations like California that are expensive as hell to live, you can't pay rural Oklahoma McDonald's wages for labor in San Francisco, it's not livable in the slightest but it might be fine in rural Oklahoma.for San Francisco to even have McDonald's they need to pay enough for people that live within a reasonable commute distance to be able to live. And of course prices at that location will be higher, a long with everything else in San Francisco.

Also the expectations.  If the person expects a smart phone, tablet or laptop, multiple streaming services, money to go out, etc, a living wage would be different.  I presume US Americans are more prone to having those high expectations than an illegal Mexican immigrant who may be happy with safety more than amenities.  The pressure you note from people that want huge wages everywhere, those people have a point everywhere since everything has gone through the roof since 7.xx was enacted, however a lot of it is based on American high expectations.  Is it warranted?  I don't know.  I think a significant increase is definitely warranted but maybe not to the demands.  The demands might not be feasible but they also might be doing that as a negotiation tactic, demand 15 get 11 type of thing.  Anyways, I hope you understand what I meant.

[NigelUno]

You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and on the other espouse the values of a living wage and be pro-unions. That's a hypocrisy a step too far to make any sense.

No Dem is saying that. Again, what's being pointed out is the Pub hypocrisy. They can't have it both ways. They can't deport all the illegals and still have cheap labor, lower prices, lower inflation, etc. Get it now?

Jesus Christ.

It's like you needed to add a bouncing ball to get the message across.

[NigelUno]

Not true, living wages are variable based on expectations.  If a Mexican can walk in via Joe biden's open border policy, get a job at a farm and live adequately enough to want to stay and maybe even start a family, who's to say that's not a fine living wage for that person?  It was their choice and they could go back.  Now let's move to a McDonald's in Seattle, well the surrounding area is so expensive to live in perhaps the minimum living wage would be 17 dollars an hour?  If you want to have a McDonald's there with workers, that's what you would have to pay.  There's also the other side beyond geographic reasons, that a Mexican and a regular US citizen might not have the same expectations of life.  The US citizen likely wants to work 8 hrs 5 days a week, smoke some weed and chill watching Netflix or any other streaming service.  In addition to eating, that's a minimum expectation for life.  To the Mexican they might make far less than even the McDonald's worker but expectations for life are vastly different.  No need for Netflix,  or the internet, give him a pay by the minute flip phone and some change for the occasional drink and he might be fine.

Jesus Christ.  Racist much?

So it's OK for the illegals and if they don't like it, they can find something else or move, but every 16 year white kid in rural America FUCKING DESERVES $21 an hour for flipping burgers?  Are you fucking serious?

Not sure I've seen anyone go to such great lengths to purposely not understand something.

[PennSpartan]

No Dem is saying that. Again, what's being pointed out is the Pub hypocrisy. They can't have it both ways. They can't deport all the illegals and still have cheap labor, lower prices, lower inflation, etc. Get it now?

Jesus Christ.

It's like you needed to add a bouncing ball to get the message across.

The real message is most Americans don’t want these people here. That’s why we lost the election. Fact. I’m sorry for their plight. I’m sorry they came from shitty countries. But Dems can’t keep feeling sorry for every single person that comes along. We can’t keep fixing other countries problems.

[TravelinMan]

Jesus Christ.

It's like you needed to add a bouncing ball to get the message across.

The real message is most Americans don’t want these people here. That’s why we lost the election. Fact. I’m sorry for their plight. I’m sorry they came from shitty countries. But Dems can’t keep feeling sorry for every single person that comes along. We can’t keep fixing other countries problems.

Dems at least need to promise to fix our own damn problems before helping others. I think that's the real rub with those types of people. No one wants to see an illegal refuge suffer, but you can't have rampant poverty and homelessness on American streets and tell folks you're gonna help people from another country.

[kingstonlake]

The real message is most Americans don’t want these people here. That’s why we lost the election. Fact. I’m sorry for their plight. I’m sorry they came from shitty countries. But Dems can’t keep feeling sorry for every single person that comes along. We can’t keep fixing other countries problems.

Dems at least need to promise to fix our own damn problems before helping others. I think that's the real rub with those types of people. No one wants to see an illegal refuge suffer, but you can't have rampant poverty and homelessness on American streets and tell folks you're gonna help people from another country.

If only there were a border security bill they could have passed. Amirite ?

[PennSpartan]

Dems at least need to promise to fix our own damn problems before helping others. I think that's the real rub with those types of people. No one wants to see an illegal refuge suffer, but you can't have rampant poverty and homelessness on American streets and tell folks you're gonna help people from another country.

If only there were a border security bill they could have passed. Amirite ?

We already have one. That’s why you see Border Patrol and ICE and Customs Agents at the borders. In fact, I have to have a passport to get back into my own country when I travel. Imagine that!

[kingstonlake]

If only there were a border security bill they could have passed. Amirite ?

We already have one. That’s why you see Border Patrol and ICE and Customs Agents at the borders. In fact, I have to have a passport to get back into my own country when I travel. Imagine that!

Why use cars when we have horses. Right? We don’t need cars. We already have horses.

[PennSpartan]

We already have one. That’s why you see Border Patrol and ICE and Customs Agents at the borders. In fact, I have to have a passport to get back into my own country when I travel. Imagine that!

Why use cars when we have horses. Right? We don’t need cars. We already have horses.

We’ll be getting a brand new border policy after January 20. Migrants will be welcomed into countries they recognize and already speak the language!

[kingstonlake]

Why use cars when we have horses. Right? We don’t need cars. We already have horses.

We’ll be getting a brand new border policy after January 20.  Migrants will be welcomed into countries they recognize and already speak the language!

Ok cool stalker. I don’t know why you just can’t be honest about who you voted for. I mean it’s clear. All you’ve done is champion everything he campaigned on. Be honest for once in your life.

[PennSpartan]

We’ll be getting a brand new border policy after January 20.  Migrants will be welcomed into countries they recognize and already speak the language!

Ok cool stalker. I don’t know why you just can’t be honest about who you voted for. I mean it’s clear. All you’ve done is champion everything he campaigned on. Be honest for once in your life.

You can decide who I voted for. That will help you cope with the nightmare you and your progressive buddies are about to face. Enjoy your four years of hell.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I kinda figure the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon won't do much about deportation.

But he and the mainstream media will tell all of the republican/libertarian faithful that he deported them all overnight and the low-information electorate will celebrate his achievement.

[kingstonlake]

Ok cool stalker. I don’t know why you just can’t be honest about who you voted for. I mean it’s clear. All you’ve done is champion everything he campaigned on. Be honest for once in your life.

You can decide who I voted for. That will help you cope with the nightmare you and your progressive buddies are about to face. Enjoy your four years of hell.

Not an honest bone in your body.

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