I'm going to be a "low information" citizen from now on.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Well, then maybe Bob should do something better with his time than hanging out here?

honestly.. why do you care what I do with my time?

It's a little weird, dude.

Don’t you have daughters? Don’t you want them to live in a country where they have rights? Or would you rather just stick your head in the sand and make snide comments?

InTenSity wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: honestly.. why do you care what I do with my time?

It's a little weird, dude.

The fuck your feeling guys are worried you're going to hurt their feelings. Please be careful around the snowflakes.

odd that the vocal pro-freedom patriots want to tell me how I should spend my time.

It's almost like they're not who they tell us they are..

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: honestly.. why do you care what I do with my time?

It's a little weird, dude.

Don’t you have daughters?  Don’t you want them to live in a country where they have rights?  Or would you rather just stick your head in the sand and make snide comments?

shouldn't that be up to me, Mr. Pro-Freedom Libertarian/Republican?

Or should I just allow you and the government to tell me how I should spend my time?

Proudly AND stubbornly ignorant. Thats quite the combination, Bob.

TravelinMan wrote:Proudly AND stubbornly ignorant. Thats quite the combination, Bob.

man, you're not going to convince me that the mainstream media is full of insightful intellectuals that have our country's best interest at heart.

And I'm not really interested in being lectured by someone who refers to VP Harris as "Giggles" just because you feel threatened by a happy woman.

So, do what ya want.. but your efforts to convert everyone to your republican/libertarian christian way of thinking will be better spent on someone else.

Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them. An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them. An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

It usually comes down to a couple of issues. This time it was inflation and the border, and voters perception of those issues, rightly or wrongly. Palestine and Liz Cheney were non-factors.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

It usually comes down to a couple of issues. This time it was inflation and the border, and voters perception of those issues, rightly or wrongly. Palestine and Liz Cheney were non-factors.

All I can say is that anyone who voted for Trump on those issues is going to be very unhappy.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them. An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

reeducation camps? Nazi. !!

Green money wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

reeducation camps? Nazi. !!

This board is dedicated to sarcasm, and you don't get it one bit.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them.  An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

Stop it. Stop right now. We’re not doing that shit. We’re not doing the rah rah democrat bullshit that you love so much. She did not do everything right because she lost.

It can’t be both “THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER” and “oh well, you tried hard”. Lessons need to be learned. People need to be fired. The head of the dnc still has a job. He needs to step down 4 days ago. You don’t get to claim that we’re fighting literal fascism and to save democracy itself then throw your hands up and say better luck next time. There needs to be accountability, they need to figure out how to win. 

Doing everything right means winning, period. Unless all of those things you said about how important this was were bullshit. Which, to be fair, you probably didn’t know it was bullshit. But the party elites who stand to personally benefit from a Trump administration probably did. And they need to go.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

Stop it. Stop right now. We’re not doing that shit. We’re not doing the rah rah democrat bullshit that you love so much. She did not do everything right because she lost.

It can’t be both “THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER” and “oh well, you tried hard”. Lessons need to be learned. People need to be fired. The head of the dnc still has a job. He needs to step down 4 days ago. You don’t get to claim that we’re fighting literal fascism and to save democracy itself then throw your hands up and say better luck next time. There needs to be accountability, they need to figure out how to win. 

Doing everything right means winning, period. Unless all of those things you said about how important this was were bullshit. Which, to be fair, you probably didn’t know it was bullshit. But the party elites who stand to personally benefit from a Trump administration probably did. And they need to go.

The number one reason the Democratics lost is that the playing field is tilted.

With the right-wing media pumping lies into people's heads, the over 50% of the voters who only watch right wing media it really doesn't matter what the Democratics try to do in a campaign.

You all apparently want to be part of a circular firing squad that the pundits (and Democratics jockeying for power in the party) are holding just fine without you.

I am pointing out a major problem here.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Stop it. Stop right now. We’re not doing that shit. We’re not doing the rah rah democrat bullshit that you love so much. She did not do everything right because she lost.

It can’t be both “THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER” and “oh well, you tried hard”. Lessons need to be learned. People need to be fired. The head of the dnc still has a job. He needs to step down 4 days ago. You don’t get to claim that we’re fighting literal fascism and to save democracy itself then throw your hands up and say better luck next time. There needs to be accountability, they need to figure out how to win. 

Doing everything right means winning, period. Unless all of those things you said about how important this was were bullshit. Which, to be fair, you probably didn’t know it was bullshit. But the party elites who stand to personally benefit from a Trump administration probably did. And they need to go.

The number one reason the Democratics lost is that the playing field is tilted.

With the right-wing media pumping lies into people's heads, the over 50% of the voters who only watch right wing media it really doesn't matter what the Democratics try to do in a campaign.

You all apparently want to be part of a circular firing squad that the pundits (and Democratics jockeying for power in the party) are holding just fine without you.

I am pointing out a major problem here.

Maybe part of the problem is the right pays attention to the media and the left says it’s horrible, avoid! You literally have people on this board who get all their information right here. I plan to watch, listen, and read more than ever for the next four years so I can make informed decisions, and keep an eye on what Trump is up to.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Stop it. Stop right now. We’re not doing that shit. We’re not doing the rah rah democrat bullshit that you love so much. She did not do everything right because she lost.

It can’t be both “THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER” and “oh well, you tried hard”. Lessons need to be learned. People need to be fired. The head of the dnc still has a job. He needs to step down 4 days ago. You don’t get to claim that we’re fighting literal fascism and to save democracy itself then throw your hands up and say better luck next time. There needs to be accountability, they need to figure out how to win. 

Doing everything right means winning, period. Unless all of those things you said about how important this was were bullshit. Which, to be fair, you probably didn’t know it was bullshit. But the party elites who stand to personally benefit from a Trump administration probably did. And they need to go.

The number one reason the Democratics lost is that the playing field is tilted.

With the right-wing media pumping lies into people's heads, the over 50% of the voters who only watch right wing media it really doesn't matter what the Democratics try to do in a campaign.

You all apparently want to be part of a circular firing squad that the pundits (and Democratics jockeying for power in the party) are holding just fine without you.

I am pointing out a major problem here.

The only acceptable result is winning. I don’t care if the field was crowd and the ball was wet.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The number one reason the Democratics lost is that the playing field is tilted.

With the right-wing media pumping lies into people's heads, the over 50% of the voters who only watch right wing media it really doesn't matter what the Democratics try to do in a campaign.

You all apparently want to be part of a circular firing squad that the pundits (and Democratics jockeying for power in the party) are holding just fine without you.

I am pointing out a major problem here.

The only acceptable result is winning. I don’t care if the field was crowd and the ball was wet.

Having the field tilted at an 85-degree uphill direction is a big part of the problem and if you don't factor that into your thinking you will continue to lose.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
The only acceptable result is winning. I don’t care if the field was crowd and the ball was wet.

Having the field tilted at an 85-degree uphill direction is a big part of the problem and if you don't factor that into your thinking you will continue to lose.

And yet you declared a blue wave. Amazeballs.

No, it's not tilted. She had an overwhelming money lead... the campaign just didn't spend it on stupid simple ads, they went to tictoc and douchy podcasts instead of explaining why we had inflation, and what they did to fix it... Or show the actual numbers of illegal immigrants plumet over the last year. Or tell the general populace that only .001% of the kids will deal with a trans girl in sport, and if you outlaw based on sex, thousands of girls who benefit from playing on boys teams would be hurt.

Coworker tried to talk the election. Had all of the R stupid takes. Had NO idea about the bipartisan immigration bill. Then he went on about prices... I said something about hoarding toilet paper and months of ships stuck at ports and the shock waves to the economy and you could tell he never even considered that.

And for fucks sake... fight fire with fire. Don't think you are "better" than that.

Obama had to "go high" being the first black president. No one else should feel the need from here on out. Project every psychotic r take onto the entire party and bombard the idiots with media. Mailers, tv ads.. whatever to reach the dummies.

Btw, this experiment is still going. Haven't watched a minute of news or read a single (non-msu sport related) article. (Used to read at least 3 daily).

It is like breaking an addiction.

Still stressed, but not knowing the details has to be helping.

Recalling her ads, I can’t recall anything she stood for specifically other than being pro choice.

I think I recall Heat saying she ran some ads telling people living check to check to go open a business.

To be fair she has zero political acumen or skills. She was great as a senator in hearings where her prosecutorial skills could be highlighted. Biden pretty much said his VP was going to be a minority woman. So yeah, we got her. Whether we wanted her or not.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:No, it's not tilted. She had an overwhelming money lead... the campaign just didn't spend it on stupid simple ads, they went to tictoc and douchy podcasts instead of explaining why we had inflation, and what they did to fix it... Or show the actual numbers of illegal immigrants plumet over the last year. Or tell the general populace that only .001% of the kids will deal with a trans girl in sport, and if you outlaw based on sex, thousands of girls who benefit from playing on boys teams would be hurt.

Coworker tried to talk the election. Had all of the R stupid takes. Had NO idea about the bipartisan immigration bill. Then he went on about prices... I said something about hoarding toilet paper and months of ships stuck at ports and the shock waves to the economy and you could tell he never even considered that.

I'm talking about Fox News et al pumping their propaganda into the viewers brains 4/365/24/7...

Not a few months for one year.

kingstonlake wrote:Recalling her ads, I can’t recall anything she stood for specifically other than being pro choice.

I think I recall Heat saying she ran some ads telling people living check to check to go open a business.

Joy. She also stood for joy. And that worked on me, but it seems that most people in this country would rather be angry. Republicans have even convinced rich white men that they’re victims and they should be pissed.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Recalling her ads, I can’t recall anything she stood for specifically other than being pro choice.

I think I recall Heat saying she ran some ads telling people living check to check to go open a business.

Joy. She also stood for joy. And that worked on me, but it seems that most people in this country would rather be angry. Republicans have even convinced rich white men that they’re victims and they should be pissed.

Oh man I forgot about JOY. I’m amazed telling people to open a business with JOY didn’t resonate into a #bluewave

kingstonlake wrote:Recalling her ads, I can’t recall anything she stood for specifically other than being pro choice.

I think I recall Heat saying she ran some ads telling people  living check to check to go open a business.

I won’t  look for it now, but a couple weeks before the election I asked, “if the democrats were hauling in all this money, why is it that I only am seeing fear adds by Trump”.

Was told by all the youngins on this here board because this boomer was watching certain tv shows or listening to certain radio stations and don’t worry cause the Dems have it covered with social media advertising.   Right on, I thought.

Now we have people saying they can’t remember a single add of hers.    

 


Ok non boomers.


Oh, and scream at this boomer with two daughters and who respects the intellect and ability of women all you want.  But, my stomach  hurts when I say it, I really am leaning to believe we need to nominate a straight white male in 2028.

DWags wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Recalling her ads, I can’t recall anything she stood for specifically other than being pro choice.

I think I recall Heat saying she ran some ads telling people living check to check to go open a business.

I won’t look for it now, but a couple weeks before the election I asked, “if the democrats were hauling in all this money, why is it that I only am seeing fear adds by Trump”.

Was told by all the youngins on this here board because this boomer was watching certain tv shows or listening to certain radio stations and don’t worry cause the Dems have it covered with social media advertising. Right on, I thought.

Now we have people saying they can’t remember a single add of hers.




Ok non boomers.

Trump dominated the airwaves here. It wasn’t close. And they were nearly all attack ads. And you don’t have to be a boomer sitting on the couch to see them. There’s TV’s in bars, hair salons, auto repair shops, and airports. It was a Blitz.

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:



I won’t look for it now, but a couple weeks before the election I asked, “if the democrats were hauling in all this money, why is it that I only am seeing fear adds by Trump”.

Was told by all the youngins on this here board because this boomer was watching certain tv shows or listening to certain radio stations and don’t worry cause the Dems have it covered with social media advertising. Right on, I thought.

Now we have people saying they can’t remember a single add of hers.




Ok non boomers.

Trump dominated the airwaves here. It wasn’t close. And they were nearly all attack ads. And you don’t have to be a boomer sitting on the couch to see them. There’s TV’s in bars, hair salons, auto repair shops, and airports. It was a Blitz.

All paid for by billionaires funding PACs where their donations can't be traced.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Trump dominated the airwaves here. It wasn’t close. And they were nearly all attack ads. And you don’t have to be a boomer sitting on the couch to see them. There’s TV’s in bars, hair salons, auto repair shops, and airports. It was a Blitz.

All paid for by billionaires funding PACs where their donations can't be traced.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/21/us/elections/harris-trump-campaign-finance.html

Blue wave!

Travis is right.  Bunch of motherfuckers telling me to relax about ads.   Cause I’m watching boomer shows.  Now they scatter like rats in light.  

Fire everyone involved. They fooled our base and reassured the boomers in it.  

Scrap it and start over.

It’s funny watching people constantly advertising their liberal street cred. It’s almost like they’re trying to convince themselves.

have any of the pointy-headed intellectual mainstream media pundits discussed how the various 'assassination attempts' may have played a role swaying the low information types?

because - and I was absolutely shocked - the republican/libertarian christian hero used them in his campaign ads..

shocked, I say.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:have any of the pointy-headed intellectual mainstream media pundits discussed how the various 'assassination attempts' may have played a role swaying the low information types?

because - and I was absolutely shocked - the republican/libertarian christian hero used them in his campaign ads..

shocked, I say.

If you watched, you’d know.

Enjoy your ignorance.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:have any of the pointy-headed intellectual mainstream media pundits discussed how the various 'assassination attempts' may have played a role swaying the low information types?

because - and I was absolutely shocked - the republican/libertarian christian hero used them in his campaign ads..

shocked, I say.

If you watched, you’d know.

Enjoy your ignorance.

thanks for moving on from trying to convert me to your cult.

DWags wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Recalling her ads, I can’t recall anything she stood for specifically other than being pro choice.

I think I recall Heat saying she ran some ads telling people  living check to check to go open a business.

I won’t  look for it now, but a couple weeks before the election I asked, “if the democrats were hauling in all this money, why is it that I only am seeing fear adds by Trump”.

Was told by all the youngins on this here board because this boomer was watching certain tv shows or listening to certain radio stations and don’t worry cause the Dems have it covered with social media advertising.   Right on, I thought.

Now we have people saying they can’t remember a single add of hers.    

 


Ok non boomers.


Oh, and scream at this boomer with two daughters and who respects the intellect and ability of women all you want.  But, my stomach  hurts when I say it, I really am leaning to believe we need to nominate a straight white male in 2028.

I may have said something about how they were probably advertising on women’s shows to hit that demo because that what I would think they’d do. I don’t know about social media marketing because this board is my only social media source. Maybe someone has some numbers about how they spent their marketing money.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them.  An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”

"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in her"

People don't vote rationally; they vote with their emotions...

Other than not running reeducation camps Harris did just about everything right.

No, she really fucking didn't trapper.  This is hindsight speaking here, but our political party is supposed to be better able to avoid these kinds of traps and now there are some things that are just so incredibly obvious. Remember, they had more than a billion dollars behind the entire operation.  Biden/Harris did almost nothing to dispel the right wing propaganda throughout their 4 years.  Trump and his mob were campaigning for 4 years straight, defining dems every step of the way while dems admittedly got good things done some how but didn't do a damn thing to promote the good things and push back on the propaganda.  And they had the levers of government at their disposal so that actually should have been a much easier job with such coordinated machinery backing them.  It's much easier to set narratives if you're in power and then campaign on it.  Instead, we didn't look ahead and see what trump was actually doing and what we were doing were making our party fat and lazy.  Now we are fucked like Penn in the villages, florida after riding his golf cart around with a hand sewn trump flag waving proudly. Right now he's having sex with a lot of old ladies in the mud and the rain, and it's possible a man could've slipped in. There'd be no way of knowing.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
The only acceptable result is winning. I don’t care if the field was crowd and the ball was wet.

Having the field tilted at an 85-degree uphill direction is a big part of the problem and if you don't factor that into your thinking you will continue to lose.

Biden and Harris had the levers of the entire united states government to level the playing field and the only thing they did was run a re-examination of Trump's actions as an investigation and a couple weak investigations by the justice department. Like it or not, we're in an information war and they failed miserably. The party quickly needs to learn how to operate in this environment or we're going to lose again because now Trump will have every lever of government behind him for at least two years and the playing field will be even further tilted.

We lost the popular vote dude. If that's not proof of failure, nothing is. There's no greater piece of evidence that there's a tilted playing field than winning the popular vote and losing the actual election.

Right wing owns social media right now. Literally and figuratively. The left desperately needs to counter that.

Need to fully divorce from the right wing ecosystems and form our own bubble on other platforms. We're in an information war and if we don't play the game they will easily win again. Unfortunately playing the game means creating a competing information bubble.