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Post by Turtleneck 2016-10-09, 10:34

In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks.

The tone and language of the excerpts clash with the fiery liberal approach she used later in her bitter primary battle with Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and could have undermined her candidacy had they become public.

Mrs. Clinton comes across less as a firebrand than as a technocrat at home with her powerful audience, willing to be critical of large financial institutions but more inclined to view them as partners in restoring the country’s economic health.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html
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Post by NigelUno 2016-10-09, 11:22

Too little. Too late.

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Post by GRR Spartan 2016-10-09, 11:37

Its wikileaks hand delivered leaks and they could do enough damage to defeat Clinton if the GOP gets another candidate at the top of the ticket.

However there is nothing that can Trump elected if unless you believe he can overcome the 80/20 percentage of losing.

Trump's company is already looking forward to billions in oligarch financing for his real estate business while his children run things from his "blind" trust. But those pesky NBC tapes really screwed up things.
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Post by Turtleneck 2016-10-09, 11:45

GRR Spartan wrote:Its wikileaks hand delivered leaks and they could do enough damage to defeat Clinton if the GOP gets another candidate at the top of the ticket.

However there is nothing that can Trump elected if unless you believe he can overcome the 80/20 percentage of losing.

Trump's company is already looking forward to billions in oligarch financing for his real estate business while his children run things from his "blind" trust. But those pesky NBC tapes really screwed up things.

Interesting that Wikileaks claims to be about transparency and forcing honest conversations through release of original source information, but only targets one of the two candidates.
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Post by DWags 2016-10-09, 11:50

Turtleneck wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Its wikileaks hand delivered leaks and they could do enough damage to defeat Clinton if the GOP gets another candidate at the top of the ticket.

However there is nothing that can Trump elected if unless you believe he can overcome the 80/20 percentage of losing.

Trump's company is already looking forward to billions in oligarch financing for his real estate business while his children run things from his "blind" trust. But those pesky NBC tapes really screwed up things.

Interesting that Wikileaks claims to be about transparency and forcing honest conversations through release of original source information, but only targets one of the two candidates.

I'm guessing you're just pointing out an obvious fact. Everybody takes a side in presidential politics. News media is indeed biased. Both sides have their bulldogs.
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Post by Turtleneck 2016-10-09, 12:03

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Turtleneck wrote:

Interesting that Wikileaks claims to be about transparency and forcing honest conversations through release of original source information, but only targets one of the two candidates.

I'm guessing you're just pointing out an obvious fact. Everybody takes a side in presidential politics. News media is indeed biased. Both sides have their bulldogs.

I do not think you understand Wikileaks.
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Post by GRR Spartan 2016-10-09, 12:05

DWags, US cyber has solid evidence on who has been hacking DNC computers and it all points to Russian cyber activity.

Wikileaks magically comes up with "stuff" on just one candidate.

If you want to equate political digging with a foreign nationals using cyber espionage and leaking information to wiki leaks's to Democrats digging up a tape that's fine. I don't see it that way. Its not like Trump got some banker or catering person to record HRC's fund raising speech like Romney's 47% speech.
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Post by DWags 2016-10-09, 12:07

GRR Spartan wrote:DWags, US cyber has solid evidence on who has been hacking DNC computers and it all points to Russian cyber activity.

Wikileaks magically comes up with "stuff" on just one candidate.

If you want to equate political digging with a foreign nationals using cyber espionage and leaking information to wiki leaks's to Democrats digging up a tape that's fine. I don't see it that way. Its not like Trump got some banker or catering person to record HRC's fund raising speech like Romney's 47% speech.

The Russians have picked a side too. I'm not making a value judgement, just pointing out facts.
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Post by Turtleneck 2016-10-09, 14:47

NigelUno wrote:Too little. Too late.


Trump's comments get all the attention, but is it worth asking the following question: did Clinton move on positions only to appease Sanders supporters, and will move back to the middle once elected? I am not sure how much weight people will put into her comments, or if they will even pay attention, but this is what Sanders supporters were scared of. At this point, Trump will probably run off so many voters that Clinton will not have to lose sleep over this.
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